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Ancient Indigenous Camps Dating Back Thousands of Years Found in Mexico
Hispanically Speaking ^ | Tuesday, May 28, 2013 | unattributed

Posted on 05/29/2013 6:17:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Archaeologists discovered eight temporary camps in the Sierra del Mayor mountains, in the Mexican state of Baja California, that date from 400 to 7,000 years ago, the National Anthropology and History Institute, or INAH, said.

In the camps associated with the Cocopah culture were found hundreds of animal bones, some from extinct species, ceramics, stoneware, and places where iron oxide was mined to make pigment for murals and body painting.

The discovery took place in the rocky recesses of the Sierra del Mayor south of Mexicali, capital of Baja California, after three years of explorations with the collaboration of the Cocopah Indians.

Some of the camps were occupied by people the researchers call “indigenous archaeological Cocopahs,” who lived between 400 and 2,000 years ago, while others from about 7,000 years ago belonged to nomadic groups that preceded the Cocopah, the INAH said.

Further sites exist in other parts of the Baja California peninsula, but this is the first to be discovered in Cocopah territory on the Sierra del Mayor, the INAH said.

(Excerpt) Read more at hispanicallyspeakingnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; mexico
Photo: INAH

Ancient Indigenous Camps Dating Back Thousands of Years Found in Mexico

1 posted on 05/29/2013 6:17:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 05/29/2013 6:17:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wait...so Mexicans really don’t have a claim to CA, AZ, NM and TX because, according to their own logic, they are not the indigenous people?


3 posted on 05/29/2013 6:20:43 PM PDT by willyd
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To: SunkenCiv

4 posted on 05/29/2013 6:25:20 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: willyd
Wait...so Mexicans really don’t have a claim to CA, AZ, NM and TX because, according to their own logic, they are not the indigenous people?

These are the indigenous people:


5 posted on 05/29/2013 6:28:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: willyd
The Atecs, their predecessors, and the early Mexicans had an exceedingly difficult time settling Texas. I think it has to do with drought and hurricane!

The reason Americans became immigrants to former Spanish owned Tejas, and then Mexican owned Tejas, is remarkably simple. For those Americans willing to become members of the state church (RCC) they got a great price on fertile land ~ and both the Spanish and the Mexicans had a great admiration for the American ability to take raw land, live under horrible primitive conditions, withstand the worst weather on the planet, and produce crops like there was no end.

One of the things that helped Americans settle the area was also simple ~ the earlier Spanish settlers had brought in cattle, pigs, chickens, goats and other domesticated animals, and they thrived even without humans around mending fences. American settlers in Texas ate well!

6 posted on 05/29/2013 6:29:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv
"Some of the camps were occupied by people the researchers call “indigenous archaeological Cocopahs”..."

"I'm cuckoo for Cocopahs!"

7 posted on 05/29/2013 6:34:34 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: freedumb2003

“These are the indigenous people:”
___________________________________________

You are obviously a fan of Kook to Kook AM.
That being said, God only knows how many people lived in what is now the US.
The History Channel has had some programs on the subject.


8 posted on 05/29/2013 6:35:32 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: freedumb2003

My “crazy Uncle”on the left.


9 posted on 05/29/2013 6:44:27 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (True Haters HATE Truth!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Mr Ditter and I hunted mule deer in Mexico, across the Bay of California from Baja. I am an avid arrowhead and artifact hunter. While Mr Ditter was scouting the area for deer, I was watching the ground for arrowheads. After a week of walking and looking I found absolutely nothing!


10 posted on 05/29/2013 6:45:41 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SunkenCiv

My folks have a site in front of their house with points that go back 10,000 years.


11 posted on 05/29/2013 6:46:18 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: willyd

Ah since you brought this up

In that May 3rd speech Obama gave before the Mexican Anthropological Museum in which he blamed America for the violence in Mexico I believe he went even futhur. There’s a inference but never referenced by name to the Gasden purchase and border settlements US made with Mexico where Obama hinted he seems to side with the Mexican claims. Would those in attendence share that view is a question that should be asked, because I believe they would,.he does.

The Mexicans have been getting most favorable treatment above the rest of our neighbors both north and south. They’re permitted to cross our borders and enter illegally and are allowed access to rights of citizenship (with the exception of voting which if the democrat party regains control over the House will happen) other nationals entering this country don’t get.

Also by allowing Mexicans to do this any quota ration for immigration from other south and central American countrys are taken up by Mexicans while that country is laying claim to a large chunk of our sovereign territory.

We are already seeing the result of this in certain areas claimed by the Mexicans. Their national flag (standard) gets displayed over ours. Where there is a controlling number of Mexican nationals (illegals). It’s displayed over certain institutions particularly schools accompanied by riots and disturbances. Blacks are threatend by Mexicans in certain sections of citys in those areas. We’re courting trouble by not placing a value on our sovereignty and our citizenship.

Worse yet if a US citizen goes into Mexico never mind illegaly but legally. They’ll get 2nd class treatment. Land ownership in title is prohibited period. And there are a slew of regulations they must comply with. Which doesn’t apply to a citizen of Mexico.

By not insisting on reciprocity particularly on those who have entered this country illegally we’re offering no incentive for assimilation and we’re not easing the burden for our fellow citizens who for what ever reason decided to live in Mexico.


12 posted on 05/29/2013 6:46:49 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"In the camps associated with the Cocopah culture were found hundreds of animal bones, some from extinct species, ceramics, stoneware, and places where iron oxide was mined to make pigment for murals and body painting."

It just seems funny to go mining for rust.
13 posted on 05/29/2013 6:47:10 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: AlexW
You are obviously a fan of Kook to Kook AM.

I am sure one of the things our Alien Overlords offer us is a humor implant

We know they want to:


14 posted on 05/29/2013 6:47:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: SunkenCiv; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
www.inah.gob.mx › boletines › Zonas arqueológica

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoGA9bP0Pw8‎

FYI. Little known cave paintings of Baja.

15 posted on 05/29/2013 6:55:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: SunkenCiv; Ditter; Rebelbase; mosesdapoet
Pericúes

"The archaeological record for Pericú territory extends at least as far back as the early Holocene, about 10,000 years ago, and perhaps into the late Pleistocene (Fujita 2006). The distinctive hyperdolichocephalic (long-headed) skulls found in Cape Region burials have suggested to some scholars that the ancestors of the Pericú were either trans-Pacific immigrants or remnants of some of the New World's earliest colonizers (González-José et al. 2003; Rivet 1909)."

Peñon Woman

"The skeleton's age has been estimated by radiocarbon dating by Silvia Gonzalez of Liverpool John Moores University.[3] Her C14 date is 10,755±55 years;[2] that is, she lived 10,755 years BP.[4] She is one of the oldest human remains found in the Americas.[5]"

"Gonzalez theorizes that Peñon woman is related to the historic Pericú people of Baja California, who also shared similar physical traits."

Vintage Skulls

"Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans."

16 posted on 05/29/2013 7:03:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

They’re either going to have to drop indiginous or change its meaning to mean the ones before the ones now.


17 posted on 05/29/2013 7:35:48 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv
Looks like the Indian camp rings near where I live.

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18 posted on 05/29/2013 7:38:01 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: mosesdapoet

Re: “Land ownership in title is prohibited period in Mexico.”

The second largest immigrant group in America is Filipino.

Americans are also prohibited from owning land and small businesses in the Philippines.


19 posted on 05/29/2013 7:44:35 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SunkenCiv
Re: “Archaeologists discovered eight temporary camps in the Sierra del Mayor mountains.”

And thousands of fake US Social Security Cards.

20 posted on 05/29/2013 7:51:01 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: mosesdapoet

I like Texans, I really do. But they keep boasting here on FR about how well they will do after seceding from the Union.

I beg to differ, not with about 15 million to 20 million illegal aliens from Mexico in Texas. Or is it 30 million?

The Republicans want the cheep, exploitable labor. The Democrats see them as potential voters. All those illegal aliens see is a chance to take over Tejas and murder gringoes.


21 posted on 05/29/2013 8:26:56 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: willyd
The Cocopa like the Yaqui and other tribes, lived in the Sonoran desert astride the current US-Mexican border. They were as indigenous as anyone.
22 posted on 05/29/2013 8:30:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: muawiyah

Mexicans imported Germans to act as a buffer to the Apache. Then all of a sudden there were 14,000 Germans in Texas so they started paying the Apache to try to run off the Texicans.


23 posted on 05/29/2013 8:54:11 PM PDT by willyd
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To: Ditter

In the sand dunes near Kino Bay, you can find painted pottery, regular potter, and rock chips from the making of stone implements. I didn’t find any arrowheads but did find a drill chipped from charmelion (sp?) volcanic glass. Rugged and very dry desert on both sides of the gulf. I have to admire the Seri who live there now.


24 posted on 05/29/2013 9:17:33 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 1010RD
"They’re either going to have to drop indiginous or change its meaning to mean the ones before the ones now."

I've suggested Paleoamericans.

The Asian body style didn't arrive into to Americas until about 5,000BC. Before that, it was Kennewick Man type people.

25 posted on 05/29/2013 9:45:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: SatinDoll

Were Texas to secede do you really think we would allow the illegals to stay?


26 posted on 05/30/2013 3:38:37 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: muawiyah
the Spanish and the Mexicans had a great admiration for the American ability to take raw land, live under horrible primitive conditions, withstand the worst weather on the planet, and produce crops like there was no end.

Americans were known to use a lot of "Green-Gro" fertilizer, hence the name "Gringos".

27 posted on 05/30/2013 3:52:39 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: JimSEA
The only place I have found pottery shards was in one of New Mexico's cliff dwellers state parks where the sign said DO NOT PICK UP ARTIFACTS (I could not help myself I did it). Where is Kino Bay?
28 posted on 05/30/2013 6:13:22 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: zeestephen

The Phillippines last I looked got their independence from US but make no claims on our sovereign states like Mexico does.

Costa Rica also has similar land owning restrictions but they lay no claims to parts of our country. Also I am told in the Phillippines and Costa Rica English is their second languange. They certainly aren’t inciting their nationals as the Mexicans are doing .

Particularly those who are nothing more than squatters living here illegaly with their claims on US putting up their flag and taking over buildings and running off American citizens where they have a majority in areas Mexican’s claim as their territory..

We Better Put A Screechin Halt To This


29 posted on 05/30/2013 6:25:45 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Dusty Road

Yes. I see no move on the part of your state to police the border. What I’m told is it isn’t the duty of the State of Texas. Granting education monies to the children of illegal aliens, children born in another nation, has been a Texan effort in the past, done for political reasons.

Illegals are a hired by agriculture and building industries, and crony capitalism is a problem in Texas. It’s were political contributions originate. Sarah Palin has warned us about that in politics.

It’s no surprise Democrats encourage illegal aliens — they see new voters for their party.

It will be very difficult for the middle-class Texan who wants an independent Texas free of Mexico’s influence. I don’t see secession as being of any benefit. A Union with other states or staying in the greater Union and working it out will be better for the majority of Texans.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 6:51:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Ditter

Northern Mexico, on the Gulf of California. There are hundreds of ruins scattered throughout Arizona. They are usually on the high ground near rivers (now dry).


31 posted on 05/30/2013 8:51:24 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
That is right where we were. Sonora, I know the artifacts were there, I just didn't find anything. All of my arrowhead hunting with huge success has been in south Texas and along the Rio Grande, on both sides of the river.
32 posted on 05/30/2013 10:10:57 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: mosesdapoet

The USA should demand reciprocity, especially since Filipinos are now our second largest immigrant group.

Same for Mexico.

If we can’t own land or businesses in their countries, why should they be allowed to own them in ours?

Same goes for immigration.

If they allow a certain number of Americans to become citizens, then we reciprocate and allow a certain number of Mexicans and Filipinos to become citizens here.

I’m disturbed by the fact that Mexican-Americans and Filipino-Americans never publicly criticize their former governments for unfair and hypocritical policies.


33 posted on 05/30/2013 11:53:22 AM PDT by zeestephen
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