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Ferfal's Blogspot ^ | 5/29/13 | Ferfal

Posted on 05/30/2013 1:54:16 PM PDT by Kartographer

My edc bag was valuable. It had phone numbers of all of my family, a comb to fix my kids' soaking hair, mints to bribe the kids, keys, knife, etc. I didn't have to spend minutes looking for all my pocket stuff. My bug out bag, on the other hand, needs work. It was so heavy, and soaking wet, I thought my elderly neighbor was going to hurt himself as I handed it down the ladder. In the future, I will break it into two bags, with the heavier stuff like food spread out. Also, I'll work to make it more waterproof. I suspect that many disasters come with rain. Hopefully, the small lessons I learned are valuable

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KEYWORDS: preparedness; prepers
I think the neighbor who offered the lady and her kids to share their storm shelter is indicitive of preppers in general and 95% for the preppers' I know. We share when and what we can especially with those who are trying or unable to prep. Just we won't share in anyway that will endanger our families. Here's another thought who, but a prepp is likely to have such a shelter?
1 posted on 05/30/2013 1:54:16 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 05/30/2013 1:55:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Waiting for the blog spotter Humblegunner.


3 posted on 05/30/2013 1:57:31 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Kartographer

Lots of shelters in Moore.


4 posted on 05/30/2013 1:59:13 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: chesty_puller

lol


5 posted on 05/30/2013 2:05:11 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle; chesty_puller; humblegunner

Wait for it...Almost in range...Wait for it...Almost in range...Wait for it...Almost in range..Wait fo......


6 posted on 05/30/2013 2:08:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: humblegunner

Your name came up....


7 posted on 05/30/2013 2:09:00 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Kartographer

lol


8 posted on 05/30/2013 2:11:18 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Kartographer
Image and video hosting by TinyPic I live 4 miles from Moore Ok. One mile north of the path the storm took. This is where we rode it out.... It was to close for comfort.
9 posted on 05/30/2013 2:13:40 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

Impressive.
Based on some stories I’ve seen about doors being sucked open, you might also consider beefing up the latch.


10 posted on 05/30/2013 2:16:37 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: chesty_puller; Kartographer

Kartographer has the one and only dispensation granted by this department as regards Prepper Material.


11 posted on 05/30/2013 2:18:12 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: nascarnation

It has two chain locks on it.... can’t really see them in that picture. It’s 8 x 8 .... 7 foot tall inside. Well stocked :)


12 posted on 05/30/2013 2:19:29 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Marcella

ping


13 posted on 05/30/2013 2:29:30 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: kjam22

Hopefully, you have another entrance if that wall falls on the door.


14 posted on 05/30/2013 2:29:52 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: kjam22

I like the reinforcing tubes on the door.

If you’re handy, I look at adding another tube or angle iron along the latch side, and making sure the chains are welded/bolted solidly through the tube.


15 posted on 05/30/2013 2:32:14 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Kartographer

Got involved in a discussion with a neighbor about political matters and somehow we ended up with the prepper issue. He and his wife both have professional jobs, make and spend a lot of money and have no children. He stated he knew they wouldn’t have to worry about having anything extra because he knew all the neighbors would pitch in and share what they had because he and his wife “were so busy they just didn’t have time to deal with such things”.

All the other families on our block have small children, stay-at-home moms and single incomes. They are all filling their own Obama Closet as best they can, a little at a time. I certainly would help those folks if I could but I think after listening to me for a while now realizes he and his wife would largely be on their own.


16 posted on 05/30/2013 2:32:50 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: bgill

That wall is north of the cellar. Typically the stuff gets blown north... but nope... that’s the only entrance. In this part of the country you’re suppose to register these cellars so first responders know where to look. My family knows where to look too. But that’s why you stock it with batteries, battery powered radio and light, etc etc... in case you gotta be there a day or two.


17 posted on 05/30/2013 2:34:48 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: nascarnation

Good ideas.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: nascarnation

Also... that door is really heavy. It’s made of some pretty thick sheet metal welded to angle iron. That green pole holding it open is spring loaded at the bottom, or one person wouldn’t ever get it open by themselves.


19 posted on 05/30/2013 2:40:14 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

I did a (very rough) calculation.

A quick search indicates you could have a delta pressure of about 100 millibars due to the tornado. That’s about 1.5 pounds per square inch. (that’s an extreme assumption but possible).

If the door is 2 ft by 6 feet, that’s 1.5 x 24 x 72 = 2592 pounds force.


20 posted on 05/30/2013 2:47:18 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

wow...


21 posted on 05/30/2013 2:48:48 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: nascarnation
this is what a lot of people buy around here. Put them in the garage and bolt them down to the concrete. I wanna be underground myself.


22 posted on 05/30/2013 2:55:43 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

Used to live in Midwest City as a kid. My cousins were in Moore.


23 posted on 05/30/2013 3:00:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Did they get tore up?


24 posted on 05/30/2013 3:01:29 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

They left long, long ago. As did we.


25 posted on 05/30/2013 3:02:56 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: kjam22

I don’t blame you for wanting to be underground in your area. Where I’m at, storm runoff could quickly flood an underground shelter. Something like the shelter you pictured may be the only option.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 3:03:54 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

Yep.... flooding isn’t an issue for me, so I’m good there. You know... Moore is 4 miles east of me. At the hospital over there, it’s 3 stories tall. There was a car on top of it that had been down the street a ways. Can you imagine being in one of those above ground safe rooms and having it hit by a flying Toyota? LOL


27 posted on 05/30/2013 3:06:13 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

I’m sure it’s far better than being only in a wood frame building but no substitute for being below grade level.

Hopefully some folks will look closely at the aftermath of the Moore event and study what worked and what didn’t. I see on my local tv you guys are back in the potential risk area so be safe. We get it here in Indiana tomorrow.


28 posted on 05/30/2013 3:16:12 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

You be safe too....


29 posted on 05/30/2013 3:17:36 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Kartographer

Not considering wet weather is an easy mistake to make. As we learned in the Corps, if it ain’t raining, you ain’t training.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 3:33:18 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kjam22

We drove thru the devastation last Thursday and again yesterday. That area looked like a war zone. Some cars looked like they had been in a junkyard for years and dropped next to IH 35. All the paint was gone and there was no way to ID the make or model.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 3:38:10 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: kjam22
If a f5 hits that house would it survive?

Give me something underground,

32 posted on 05/30/2013 3:39:54 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yeah.... it’s crazy ain’t it?


33 posted on 05/30/2013 3:41:22 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: painter

They are rated to survive an F5.... so they say. I think you’d want to take your hearin’ aids out while it blew threw.. :)


34 posted on 05/30/2013 3:50:20 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: nascarnation

FYI tornados actually cannot “suck” doors open. They can only reduce the pressure on the outside, so the force of the air pressure cannot exceed the differential between the air in the shelter and the lower air pressure in the funnel. In reality the shelter is forcing the doer open by its air pressure.

Just the engineer in me ...

Enjoy your day.


35 posted on 05/30/2013 3:58:24 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Kartographer

You never know whats really important. This is my family after my Grandmothers death from the F5 in Tuscaloosa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXTGmK4XxY
By the way, we got it back! FREEPERS! They don’t know what we’re made of.


36 posted on 05/30/2013 3:58:57 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: kjam22

Out at the old family place, the cellar was away from the house and trees. Here, I want one but the water table is too high.


37 posted on 05/30/2013 4:00:26 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Blueflag

Wasn’t that the calculation I showed?

The 100 mb differential pressure between the inside of the vortex and the shelter chamber?

Of course we totally neglected any pressure equalization that would occur because the door is likely poorly sealed.

But it does give a bit of insight into the forces acting.

Or what we call in Indiana “farmer math”


38 posted on 05/30/2013 4:08:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

The door seals pretty good actually. I mean it won’t rain in and water won’t run in it. But it has two 4 inch air vents in the cellar. PVC pipe inside those tin vent covers.


39 posted on 05/30/2013 4:13:44 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Grams A

I think I have one neighbor who is preparing. His bug out plan includes a rebuilt moped he plans to use to ride out of dodge.

I’m pretty sure Im on my own.


40 posted on 05/30/2013 5:13:40 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
rebuilt moped he plans to use to ride out of dodge.

Excellent fuel economy but poor range (unless fuel tank upsized) and lacking in speed.

41 posted on 05/30/2013 5:16:20 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

I would consider a dirt bike as an option. A moped can’t even go off road.


42 posted on 05/30/2013 5:26:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kjam22

Yes, it was hard to imagine what the news footage had until we saw it in person. I remember the destruction from the Jarrell tornado that ended up in Cedar Park and Lakeway.


43 posted on 05/30/2013 5:42:50 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: kjam22

I wish I could have one of those but our water table is way too high.


44 posted on 05/30/2013 5:45:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

I am exhausted. Any one else have experience with that NOAA weather emergency radio linked in the story? Combo flashlight and rechargeable 5 ways including hand crank and solar charging?


45 posted on 05/30/2013 6:56:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: nascarnation

Your math was fine. Only ‘protesting’ the use of the verb “suck”. ;-)


46 posted on 05/30/2013 7:15:50 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: driftdiver

That’s funny about the moped. I have my oldest grandson’s scooter I could use but I think the battery charge only lasts for half an hour. Considering our traffic when we have to evac for a hurricane, that would get me almost over to the highway.


47 posted on 05/30/2013 8:25:34 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: greeneyes

Now that you mention it, I have the rectangle one that’s about the size of a beer can. I got it earlier this year but since then, have been focusing on gardening. With all the chances for storms we’ve had this week, I should know what this device can handle. Will make a point of working with it and let you know.

This one is Microlink FR160 by Eton: http://www.amazon.com/NFR160WXB-Microlink-Self-Powered-Weather-Flashlight/dp/B001QTXKB0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2

am/fm/weather (NOAA)
LED flashlight
solar and crank powered
USB cell phone charger (check comments on the link about this)
headphone jack
No batteries needed.


48 posted on 05/30/2013 9:09:42 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Every time another lib loses its job, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: kjam22

Wow, that looks strong to start with.


49 posted on 05/31/2013 4:50:07 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: humblegunner; chesty_puller

For which I am eternally grateful!


50 posted on 06/25/2013 3:56:33 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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