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My Review of Star Trek Into Darkness
Poems and Essays of GJ Gillespie ^ | May 30, 2013 | GJ Gillespie

Posted on 05/30/2013 9:12:47 PM PDT by garjog

My Review of Star Trek Into Darkness -- short version: wait to rent it.

Long version: Disappointingly annoying.

What follows could be considered a spoiler, but there is nothing original in this film, so there is nothing that can be spoiled. Sorry.

We went to see Star Trek into Darkness on Saturday. Very crowded and had to sit close. I was an original fan, captivated by the television series in the late 1960s, with Star Trek scrap books and posters, models of space ships and everything.

There are serious problems with the Into Darkness script that are not merely anathema to Trekkies. First we discover that the villain is a famous one from the original series. He has a British rather than Latin accent and doesn't look at all like the other character. So the casting was wrong. But, we are baffled how this villain will re-appear in the future of the life of the crew who begins the Five Year Mission at the end of the film. Won't they all know who he is?

Also, a tribble appears. But, we don't see tribbles until the crew is well into their mission in the future. It is a life form that they discover in their voyage, which this crew hasn't begun.

THEN Spock has a romantic relationship with Uhura. Wrong. Officers in the military, or any professional, are not going to be kissing each other on duty. And we all know that Vulcans have a mating ritual that occurs every seven years. Vulcans don't date. This is out of character for Spock. (You know that a focus group of writers said that they had to add romance).

In the same way this dog's breakfast of a script adds a new female character, an admiral's daughter, as a "second science officer", apparently to add romance to planned sequels and perhaps for gender equity. So, in addition to Kirk, Spock and Bones, we now have a hot blond babe. This is like adding a fourth female Musketeer to please feminist reviewers .

Then Kirk is killed by radiation and resurrected exactly like Spock in one of the first Star Trek films -- that is taking allusion to other films a bit too far. It is more like cutting and pasting.

MORE.

Star Trek shows often made commentary on social or international controversies. Into Darkness apparently is a tip to the Truthers because the Admiral uses deception to purposefully start a war. Every story needs conflict, but to moralize that the war on terror was started by Bush is just plain stupid (and insulting on memorial day).

ALSO, Into Darkness begins with a suicide bombing in which we are led to sympathize with the suicide bomber. He HAD to do it, see? (No, committing suicide and killing 40 innocent people to get what you want is immoral.)

And Chris Pine doesn't look or act like a military trained captain. He looks like an actor rather than a commanding leader.

Finally the show is two hours long, too loud and has long close cuts of faces better suited for television. I could tell that my wife Teresa wanted to walk out about an hour into the show.

Positives: wonderful special effects and endearing imagery that reminds us of what we love about the Star Trek universe.

Let's hope that each and everyone of the writers of this twisted, just-plain-wrong insult of a film are replaced before the next sequel.


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1 posted on 05/30/2013 9:12:47 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

They should have either gone with Gary Mitchell or used an actual East Indian for the role of Khan.

That’s where they messed up.


2 posted on 05/30/2013 9:14:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: garjog

Did any of you like it?


3 posted on 05/30/2013 9:15:11 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog

I liked it well enough for what it was. However, it didn’t stick close to the canon, imo.


4 posted on 05/30/2013 9:16:22 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: garjog
This is like adding a fourth female Musketeer to please feminist reviewers

At Swords Point is a VERY GOOD movie.

5 posted on 05/30/2013 9:18:52 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: garjog

After all the rumors that Cumberbatch, and the not-really denials of the fact, I then knew that Cumberbatch was going to be Khan. It just doesn’t jive. They’ve really messed things up. I was “okay” with the first one, it was fun its own way, but still messed up.

I don’t know, couldn’t they have started fresh, whole new crew? Whole new characters? They just have to hit those touchpoints, and that’s it.

Disappointed. Maybe it’s time to give up on this whole debacle, after all the original Star Trek is a lefty’s wet dream, anyway.

Now, if they can get that Captain Worf Star Trek series they’ve been kicking around, then you might have something...


6 posted on 05/30/2013 9:19:04 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: garjog
>"Did any of you like it?"

The theater was cool dark and quiet, and I did get a small nap in before i woke up snoring.

7 posted on 05/30/2013 9:19:12 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: garjog
Star Trek Into Darkness in a Nutshell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFs_fkXVyM0


8 posted on 05/30/2013 9:21:14 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: garjog

A number of the back ground scenes were filmed at LLNL in the NIF facility. Many were superimposed over green screens


9 posted on 05/30/2013 9:21:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: garjog

Loved it and am glad I saw it on the big screen. I grew up watching Star Trek.


10 posted on 05/30/2013 9:22:09 PM PDT by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: garjog
JJ Abrams is an admitted Star Wars fan who was never a fan of Star Trek. That is like giving the keys to a Synagogue to a Nazi. You know he's going to damage the place just for fun.

I hope he dies pennyless in a gutter.

11 posted on 05/30/2013 9:22:28 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: garjog

Nearly went blind from all those lens flares.


12 posted on 05/30/2013 9:24:42 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: garjog

I have enjoyed some of JJ Abrams’ TV shows. Fringe and Lost faded in their later season, IMO, but I enjoyed them mostly. After reviewing his Filmography, I have not liked any of the movies he’s produces/directed. I really wanted to like Super 8, but it lost me at some forgotten point.


13 posted on 05/30/2013 9:28:00 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc

I enjoyed all of Lost very much. We started renting them and couldn’t stop.


14 posted on 05/30/2013 9:29:53 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog

This Kirk is totally unreal. Even giving an artistic liscense to make some changes to the story. Kirk had a reputation as a “walking stack of books” and was known to be a very hard student instructor of lower classmen. He was known to be a “by the books” type of Officer until an incident caused him to re-evaluate that position.

I could say the same for almost all the characters, and it goes beyond one-dimensional directing and acting. It’s like they are trying to make a cartoon rather than a sci-fi movie.


15 posted on 05/30/2013 9:31:18 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in on your feet than it is to live as on your knees.)
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To: garjog

I disagree — I found it to be annoyingly disappointing.


16 posted on 05/30/2013 9:31:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: garjog
I saw it Saturday. I thought it was fine.

I agree, Khan should have been asian.
I hated where Kirk died EXACTLY like Spock had in STWOK.
Alice Eve/Carol Marcus is hot, but her brief appearance in bra and panties served absolutely no purpose (Except to amuse me).
Spock and Uhura, doesn't work.
The guy acting as Scottie is good.
The guy acting as Bones is awesome.

All in all, I found it entertaining. Good movie to see on the big screen. (I only go to maybe a few movies a year, so that might bias me)

17 posted on 05/30/2013 9:31:30 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Nifster
"A number of the back ground scenes were filmed at LLNL in the NIF facility."

I didn't know that they filmed some scenes in the National Ignition Facility. But, the set and designs and effects were the best thing about the film.

I thought that I recognized the lobby of the Getty Museum in LA.


18 posted on 05/30/2013 9:36:17 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Hawk1976

Some here say that they liked some of the casting and I agree.

It just seemed that in the last scene with Chris Pine sits in the captain’s chair, he looked like much too young pretty boy actor, not a ship captain.

Why do the ruin this for us?

The last edition didn’t bother me so much.


19 posted on 05/30/2013 9:41:18 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog

I liked it, with the understanding that it’s an alternate universe for the original series.


20 posted on 05/30/2013 9:41:37 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: garjog
I haven't seen this one yet, but I think you're missing one big plot element from the 2009 movie based on your critique. This Star Trek universe is an alternate one. The people, places, and events are very similar, but they are not the same. Judging it by how well it conforms to the original story is missing the point.
21 posted on 05/30/2013 9:42:43 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Thorliveshere
Cumberbatch doesn't look or sound at all like the original Khan.

Why not just create a new villain?

22 posted on 05/30/2013 9:46:13 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Is anyone in this edition of the fine masterpiece major entertainment vehicle product ever seen going to the outhouse?


23 posted on 05/30/2013 9:49:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: mountn man
The guy acting as Bones is awesome.

Karl Urban definitely channels DeForest Kelley.

He also played Eomer in Lord of the Rings and is from New Zealand.


24 posted on 05/30/2013 9:52:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Hawk1976
This Kirk is totally unreal. Even giving an artistic liscense to make some changes to the story. Kirk had a reputation as a “walking stack of books” and was known to be a very hard student instructor of lower classmen. He was known to be a “by the books” type of Officer until an incident caused him to re-evaluate that position.

I agree. Shatner's Kirk became Captain of the flagship at an early age because he studied and was serious in his youth. Pine's Kirk is the class clown who in no way should be trusted with anything breakable. The audience seems to remember Shatner's Kirk as a lone wolf, but looking at the old episodes, it is mostly unmerited, especially compared to Pine's Kirk. Chris Pine takes it to an extreme it doesn't deserve. If they reboot the series again, I fully expect the Enterprise to be manned by those singing chipmonks.

25 posted on 05/30/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Thorliveshere

” time to give up on this whole debacle, after all the original Star Trek is a lefty’s wet dream”

Did you notice that they place a transgender character at the helm on the bridge?

How progressive of them.


26 posted on 05/30/2013 9:56:37 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog
I enjoyed all of Lost very much. We started renting them and couldn’t stop.

Yeah, that's how it started for all of us. It's like heroin - it's so awesome in the beginning. You wonder why anyone wouldn't love this stuff. Then, as the seasons go on, you start to get this nagging voice in your head saying, "Something doesn't feel right, here." But you keep going because you're still having a good time. By the last season, you just know, deep down in your gut, that this is all going to end badly. By the last few episodes, it's like you've just explained to your dealer that you don't have any more money, but you really need that fix, so he says "Sure, baby, I'll give you a taste if you just do me one little favor." and then he puts you in a mini-skirt and fishnets and leads you down a dark hallway toward the sounds of a room full of growling barbarians. Finally, when you've finished the finale, it's like waking up in the gutter with a needle hanging out of your arm and an a**hole the size of the Lincoln Tunnel.
27 posted on 05/30/2013 9:57:53 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: garjog
In the same way this dog's breakfast of a script adds a new female character, an admiral's daughter, as a "second science officer", apparently to add romance to planned sequels and perhaps for gender equity. So, in addition to Kirk, Spock and Bones, we now have a hot blond babe. This is like adding a fourth female Musketeer to please feminist reviewers .

The blonde, while not functional in this movie, actually has a reason to be there in the timeline, so I let that pass. She is Carol Marcus, who will have a fling with Kirk and have a son, and then go off and invent the Genesis device with her son in time for the Wrath of Khan.

28 posted on 05/30/2013 9:58:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: garjog; a fool in paradise

I won’t see it if Whippie Goldberg’s not in it, and that’s that!


29 posted on 05/30/2013 9:59:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: garjog
Found this photo and see that the two actors do look a like. Still the new Khan doesn't evoke the character of the old one.


30 posted on 05/30/2013 10:00:34 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Sparticus

“This Star Trek universe is an alternate one. “

OK. Good point. I forgot that. I wrote this quickly with not a lot of research.

Now I remember that the new Star Trek was meant to be an alternative universe. That could explain the plot inconsistencies.

The new Khan doesn’t have to be like the old one. The new Kirk can be a playboy instead of sharp by the books guy. A hot babe can be a main character.

But, it seems like a cop out for script writers.


31 posted on 05/30/2013 10:03:48 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: mountn man
Alice Eve/Carol Marcus is hot, but her brief appearance in bra and panties served absolutely no purpose (Except to amuse me).

After two weeks, that movie has deteriorated into a series of bright flashes and some cuts of movement with no form, and lens flares. But still, Carol Marcus in her underwear is one of the few things I can actually remember seeing.

32 posted on 05/30/2013 10:04:32 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: garjog
Now I remember that the new Star Trek was meant to be an alternative universe. That could explain the plot inconsistencies.

Not all of them. Khan needs to be pretty much the same, because he took over a third of the world back in 1993. Then he escaped in his pods to float for 300 years. 300 years later is when the alternate universe forks off, so why would Khan look different?

33 posted on 05/30/2013 10:10:20 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: garjog

Spoiler Alert...I just want to give fair warning...

Overall, I liked it a lot, even more than the 2009 Star Trek movie, which I also liked. Here’s a rundown on what I liked, and also a few things that I didn’t like as much. Surprisingly, I really liked Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain, even though he didn’t match up very well in terms of the established character of Khan from previous appearances. He was very effective in projecting a character that was believably menacing, an opponent that would be difficult to defeat. In fight scenes, he actually seemed convincing as someone who has been genetically engineered to be five times stronger than ordinary humans. I liked the new Engineer Scott quite a bit...he was more than just a bit player in this one, and the scriptwriters, and the actor, succeeded in making him likably vulnerable, funny, and brilliant all at the same time.

The things I didn’t like quite as much...Chris Pine as Captain Kirk is ok, but just not believable as a starship captain...he doesn’t have the gravitas (or the ridiculous overacting either) of William Shatner. Chris Pine is 32, but looks younger, and at times, he almost seems like a teenager. Zachary Quinto as Spock...he’s actually ok too, but his character doesn’t even seem like he’s making any effort at all to reign in his emotions...he’s just too angry or irritated all the time. For me, this just doesn’t quite work for a character that is supposed to be half-Vulcan. When Leonard Nimoy showed any emotion as Spock it worked really well, because even the slightest display of emotion stood out, and was effectively amplified against the predominant backdrop of Vulcan passiveness.

The engine room death scene didn’t work very well, and they shouldn’t have even tried to do it. When Spock died in the 1982 Wrath of Khan, it was very powerful emotionally (for me anyway), partly because there was a strong friendship built up over years between Kirk and Spock. In Star Trek, Into Darkness, the scene had almost zero emotional effect when Spock had to watch his friend Kirk die...these two ‘friends’ barely knew each other in this alternate Star Trek timeline. In fact, it felt really cheap that they even tried to pull a reverse Spock-Kirk death scene, almost like they were trampling on something sacred.


34 posted on 05/30/2013 10:12:20 PM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: garjog

Here is another problem I just heard on another review. We are told that the frozen dudes in the drones are 300 hundred years old. But, that would mean that they were frozen in 1995.


35 posted on 05/30/2013 10:14:52 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

” She is Carol Marcus, who will have a fling with Kirk and have a son, and then go off and invent the Genesis device with her son in time for the Wrath of Khan. “

Right. You are much better informed. I should have done a bit more research. Just jotted down my feelings of dislike after seeing it.


36 posted on 05/30/2013 10:17:58 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog
It's not a bad movie, but it contradicts the "known facts" of Star Trek.
37 posted on 05/30/2013 10:19:43 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Texan Tory

We’re not going to get the perfect movie so we have to take what they give us. That said, I won’t get my hopes up too high when I eventually see this thing. The scene about the suicide bomber will bother me.


38 posted on 05/30/2013 10:24:13 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: BigCinBigD
JJ Abrams is an admitted Star Wars fan who was never a fan of Star Trek. That is like giving the keys to a Synagogue to a Nazi. You know he's going to damage the place just for fun. I hope he dies pennyless in a gutter.

I'm making a list of JJ Abrams fans, reading between the lines, I'm wavering on adding you, I'm not convinced you are one of his biggest fans.

39 posted on 05/30/2013 10:26:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

That would be a safe assumption.


40 posted on 05/30/2013 10:28:53 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: garjog

I thought it was ok for what it was: mindless popcorn fare. I thought Cumberbatch was a poor choice for Khan, but as Nameless Villian #3, he could have been very good. Many of the things you brought up in the review could be explained away as being part of the alternate reality of Abram’s Star Trek series. Spock’s relationship with Uhura, the fact that it is Adm. Marcus’s team that finds Khan instead of Kirk (there was the line about Starfleet had been seeking more power military assets to counter the Klingon threat). The Hot Blond babe character was Carol Marcus, who would later be the mother of Kirk’s son, David. They would develop the Genesis torpedo on Ceti Alpha 5, where they would meet Khan.
That said, the radiation death scene was copy/paste of the same scene in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. My eyes rolled so far I thought they were going to fall out of my head.
The scene at the beginning where the Enterprise was under water was probably the stupidest thing I have seen in a Star Trek movie since the whales on a Klingon bird of prey.
They were hiding the ship from the native population. Fine. Except for the Earth shattering sonic boom created during entry. Enter else where on the planet and fly to the temple location? A Constitution class starship (which I’m assuming this one still is) was never designed for atmospheric flight. It would have shaken itself apart with the first 1000 miles. They would have had to divert every bit of power from all over the ship the inertial dampers to make it halfway safe. /nerd


41 posted on 05/30/2013 10:41:16 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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“A Constitution class starship (which I’m assuming this one still is) was never designed for atmospheric flight”

Ahh, but you see. This is an ALTERNATIVE universe in which the constitution class starship was designed for atmospheric flight.

It explains everything.

In this universe it is actually great sci fi writing that Kirk dies and is raised to life exactly like Spock in the other film then takes the captain’s chair fifteen minutes later like nothing happened.

AND babes in underwear actually look better than in our universe.


42 posted on 05/30/2013 10:50:23 PM PDT by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: garjog

I was not real happy with the first one with this bunch that paradoxed the entire history of Star Trek into oblivion with this “alternate reality” crap.

I was kind of hoping they would fix the timeline in this sequel, and get back to doing what they promised to begin with... visiting the early years.

You know the writers don’t have anything left when they start playing with the time line.
These writers are probably responding with “Rodenbury who?”


43 posted on 05/30/2013 11:11:46 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: garjog

In the last movie, they established that there was a split in the timeline when Kirk’s dad was killed. They are effectively in a parallel universe. That was a clever idea, because they can incorporate any elements of the original series, yet change anything without having to worry about fans saying “that’s wrong”.


44 posted on 05/30/2013 11:13:07 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Jonty30

I was a little slow figuring out it was Khan, though some other things that were about to happen were quite obvious.


45 posted on 05/31/2013 12:02:26 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: garjog

I picked it up on Hulu starting at the 3rd season.

I’d watch 3 or 4 a night.

It was ridiculous and outlandish, but fun along the way.


46 posted on 05/31/2013 12:03:49 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Revolting cat!

That car is going to need some Rust-Oleum


47 posted on 05/31/2013 12:05:15 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Ummm...because Ricardo Montalban is dead? ;)


48 posted on 05/31/2013 12:08:53 AM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: ShasheMac
Ummm...because Ricardo Montalban is dead? ;)

I meant he should still look Asian, of course. They missed a good opportunity to pick up more international box office, they could have hired a big Bollywood actor to play the part of Khan, since he was supposed to be Indian.

49 posted on 05/31/2013 12:17:32 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: garjog
And we all know that Vulcans have a mating ritual that occurs every seven years. Vulcans don't date.


WRong. They suffer from Pon Farr every seven years, but that doesn't mean that they only have sex once every seven years. And if they don't date then how did Sarek get together with Spock's mother?
50 posted on 05/31/2013 12:30:37 AM PDT by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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