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I Learned .40 Handgun Ammunition Can Travel 500 Yards (Vanity)
06/02/2013

Posted on 06/02/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by Sawdring

Today while I was planting the garden, a neighbor started shooting his guns. He is known to do this during the summer and for his bachelor party he and his crew shot constantly for four hours. I do not mind the noise and before today my only concern was how he could afford all the rounds he fires.

Today was different because he would shoot and then I would hear a bullet "whiz" through the air above the swamp and then thwack into the woods on the other side. This was right behind my property and I knew the bullets were ricocheting so I didn't know which way they would go next.

I live on the edge of a subdivision and his property is rural farm land. Another neighbor lady asked if it was dangerous to be in the back yard because she heard bullets in the air as well. I assumed it would be so she went in and I crossed a swamp and started whistling to get his attention. I introduced myself and told him what was happening and he wouldn't believe me. I explained to him that I didn't mind his shooting and actually appreciated that he was a gun owner but he needed to know where his bullets were landing.

I looked at his setup and all he was shooting was a Glock .40 caliber pistol, he had a berm in back that goes up to the railroad tracks and then our houses are at about a 30 degree angle from where he was standing and the barrel he was shooting at.

When I saw what he was doing I didn't think he was doing anything wrong but he would not accept that he bullets could even come close to our houses. When I got home I looked up our properties on Google Earth and found he was shooting at barrels about twenty yards from him and the barrels were about 480 yards from where the bullets hit woods.

Unless he takes some sort of corrective action, I'm going to play indoors when he starts shooting and if he hits my house I will have to call the authorities, have them extract the bullet and then we can match it up. I don't really know what else I should do.


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1 posted on 06/02/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Tell him to stand in your yard while you shoot at his barrel.

If he does, he’ll see what you’re seeing.

If he refuses, then you’ve made your point.


2 posted on 06/02/2013 6:20:11 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Sawdring

People like that given owners a bad name. He needs to build a better backstop or stop shooting in his yard.


3 posted on 06/02/2013 6:20:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sawdring

buy your own gun and do the same to him.


4 posted on 06/02/2013 6:21:49 PM PDT by brivette
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To: Sawdring

He should be as reasonable as you and modify his behavior or aim.


5 posted on 06/02/2013 6:21:58 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Sawdring

My guess is that he (or one of his guests) was shooting at birds for “fun.” Naturally, he played stupid when you queried him about it.


6 posted on 06/02/2013 6:22:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sawdring
As a general rule, it drives me crazy when I tell someone:

"That thing you're doing? Well, it's having a direct effect on me."
And they answer: "No, it's not."

And if the effect is question is the sending of bullets in my general direction, and they refuse to acknowledge that reality ... well, I'd probably call the authorities pretty quick. Gun safety should always be a top concern. It gives all gun owners a bad rep if some yahoo refuses to understand that.

7 posted on 06/02/2013 6:23:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Sawdring

Even pistol bullets can go much farther than 500 yards, depending on angle of fire of course.


8 posted on 06/02/2013 6:23:49 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

Or tell him you’ll shoot back with your .40 cal and see if he minds.

Here’s a link - http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=20&t=88660

Scroll down, a source from Speer ammo says the max range is 1753 yards.


9 posted on 06/02/2013 6:24:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sawdring

I rebuilta local LEO shooting range several years ago when a homeowner a mile away ended up with a 9MM slug in his wall.

Indiana State Police confirmed it came from the officers gun


10 posted on 06/02/2013 6:25:22 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Sawdring
He needs training in theory of ballistics and a blanket party.

The cool part is, if you hear the whiz of the bullets fly by? They ain't for you. Explaining that while the whizzing is going on is left as an exersize for the student.

Rejoice in the Day the Lord has Made, and be glad in it. ;)

Things could be worse, he could have intent.

/johnny

11 posted on 06/02/2013 6:26:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: driftdiver

After seeing his setup I couldn’t tell him that it looked unsafe and I wouldn’t have thought twice about shooting there if the I hadn’t heard the bullets for myself.


12 posted on 06/02/2013 6:26:27 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: brivette
"buy your own gun Cruise Missle and do the same to him. "
13 posted on 06/02/2013 6:26:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Sawdring

Bullets exit the barrel with a great deal of energy. They can travel an extraordinary distance. If your target is something hard, they can ricochet for quite a distance. If you are shooting on a rural range with neighbors within a one mile radius, you need to use soft targets, ensure that you have some sort of backstop and enforce strict fire discipline on your range.


14 posted on 06/02/2013 6:26:52 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Sawdring

He is a reckless firearm owner. Call the police. At 500 yards, a 40 cal is not accurate. The effectice range (as in usefull) of a 40 is between 50 and 100 yards depending on the round, the firearm, and the shooter. However, it can be lethal at well over 500 yards.

PS I despise reckless firearm owners. They give the libs ammo to use against the responsible ones. No excuses accepted.


15 posted on 06/02/2013 6:26:59 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 1rudeboy

It’s quite possible that they are shooting “short” of the backstop and the bullets are ricocheting back into the air.
Very common problem with unwitting shooters.


16 posted on 06/02/2013 6:27:57 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: brivette

I forgot to mention the pumpkin trebuchet: everyone should have at least one for this purpose.


17 posted on 06/02/2013 6:28:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sawdring

Someone nearby where I live was killed when something like that happened once a few years ago. A guy was shooting at a rabbit that was sitting on the crest of a hill. One of his bullets went over the crest of the hill, through a glass greenhouse and killed someone in the greenhouse.


18 posted on 06/02/2013 6:29:48 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: logitech

Completely dumbass gun owner PING!


19 posted on 06/02/2013 6:29:59 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Sawdring

Thats fine, but once someone brings up an issue he needs to address it. It is a matter of life and death.

I have a neighbor who shoots fairly often. It doesn’t bother me as I have NEVER heard anything which indicated the bullets were reaching me. Have heard some wild pigs squealing cut short.

My other neighbor, a retired army O-5, runs inside each time and calls the cops, who then remind him once again that its legal to shoot in the county.


20 posted on 06/02/2013 6:31:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I don’t know, I just thought it was interesting that the bullet could travel in such a weird way. Anyone know how to do a screen shot for Google Earth?


21 posted on 06/02/2013 6:32:34 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

What device are you using? Can help w a PC or an iPhone.


22 posted on 06/02/2013 6:35:52 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Sawdring

Give me the coordinates and I’ll snag and post it for you.


23 posted on 06/02/2013 6:35:57 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Sawdring

I’d advise against posting a screenshot, unless you are satisfied that your home (our anyone else’s) cannot be identified.


24 posted on 06/02/2013 6:39:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: brivette
buy your own gun and do the same to him.Signed, The McCoys.
25 posted on 06/02/2013 6:42:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I’m not too concerned about that. I’m up at Freerepublic’s Facebook page so if anyone wanted to identify, me pretty much knows enough to do it anyway.


26 posted on 06/02/2013 6:43:36 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ansel12

I’m telling you not to, Signed, The Hatfields.


27 posted on 06/02/2013 6:43:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: 1rudeboy

True, good point, but, I would think that if it is fairly rural, it would be security by obscurity.


28 posted on 06/02/2013 6:43:57 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: ansel12

Hahahahaha...


29 posted on 06/02/2013 6:44:24 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: 1rudeboy; Mozie
Someone said the magic word. Trebuchet.

Rudeboy, you are correct, and everyone should have a spare upright piano to load said trebouchet with.

/johnny

30 posted on 06/02/2013 6:44:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: piytar

I figured out how to make the JPG, I just don’t have photo bucket or something like that to post it to.


31 posted on 06/02/2013 6:44:45 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

The Utah Highway Dept mistakenly lobbed at least one avalanche shell over a ridge that landed in someone’s backyard in Provo(?). Good thing it only moved some mud around.


32 posted on 06/02/2013 6:45:19 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Sawdring

A .40 cal can easily travel 500 yards. That is only 1,500 feet and at 1,200 feet per second to start with, it will travel for several seconds easily. I have never measured the distance that round can go but I always assume a handgun round will travel up to 1.5 miles. I have personally shot the .40 to distances of 1,000 yards, just for giggles at a 1,000 yard rifle range, and the bullets travel 1,000 yards no problem.


33 posted on 06/02/2013 6:46:57 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m not quite sure that the effective range of an upright piano is 500 yards. I’d suggest waiting until you actually lay siege to your neighbor’s house.


34 posted on 06/02/2013 6:47:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sawdring

To save the image in Google Earth just click on the second image from the right in the toolbar right above the image. You can also go to Edit, and ‘copy image’.

There is a ruler function which will show the exact distance as well.


35 posted on 06/02/2013 6:47:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“...everyone should have a spare upright piano to load said trebouchet with.”

ROFL! And a cow, people should have spare cows, too.


36 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Sawdring

Get a video camera with a tripod, and record the whizzing bullets. The shooters are probably bored with shooting targets, and aiming at targets in the trees like squirrels.


37 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:24 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 1rudeboy

Aren’t disease ridden livestock carcasses the preferred projectile?


38 posted on 06/02/2013 6:48:37 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: driftdiver

I already have the screen shot saved as a jpg but where do I upload it to? I don’t have a photo bucket account.


39 posted on 06/02/2013 6:49:57 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

violated the 3rd rule of shooting.....Know what’s BEHIND your target.

Also, for some reason, Glock owners seem to be the stupidist bunch in terms of safety. As to that point, it has no real safety....


40 posted on 06/02/2013 6:51:34 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Sawdring

If you want to post to FR then you can get a free account at photobucket or several other places. If you’re wanting to show your neighbor then just insert the image into MS Word or similiar and print.


41 posted on 06/02/2013 6:51:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CodeToad; Mozie
Mozart Lover and I have bantered about trebouchets and pianos since the late '90s.

It's an old inside ATRW thing.

But I like the cows... That harkens back to Monty Python, and that's always appropriate, even for funeral threads.

/johnny

42 posted on 06/02/2013 6:52:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BereanBrain

Really? You’re gonna insult all glock owners?


43 posted on 06/02/2013 6:52:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

> Tell him to stand in your yard while you shoot at his barrel.

If he does, he’ll see what you’re seeing.

If he refuses, then you’ve made your point.

Somewhat of a joker are we?...LOL


44 posted on 06/02/2013 6:53:03 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Sawdring

If you go to Google maps there is an icon next to the printer icon that will create a link that you can cut and paste for the screen that your on. This is for Disneyland Ca

http://goo.gl/maps/yQxh8


45 posted on 06/02/2013 6:53:13 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: Sawdring

The easiest thing to do is to get out a phone or camcorder when he starts shooting and record the impacts. Then gently go over to his house after shooting and show him the video. Offer to have him over while his friends and buddies are shooting. If he does come over, quietly and unobtrusively record your neighbor during his visit if it is allowed by your local laws.

Keep a copy of all videos.

Provide a copy of the “papercrete” webpage and recommend that he use it as a backstop to reduce ricochets. http://makepapercrete.com/How-Can-I-Make-Papercrete-.html. An inexpensive wall of papercrete blocks 18” front to back will stop just about any bullet.

If all else fails, make friends with a county deputy and call him when your neighbor is out shooting. Ask the deputy to convince the home owner to “improve” his property so that the bullets do not land on your property.

Up to this point, you are being nice. From here on out, you are going to be using the law and possibly pissing off your neighbor.

Find out what the county zoning says about a range on private property. If a home range is a violation of zoning, notify your zoning board and provide copies of the videos.

Speak with a lawyer about what other options you may have.

If you have any damage to your property (bullet holes in roof/walls) etc. Contact your insurance agent to both file a claim and provide a copy of the videos as well.


46 posted on 06/02/2013 6:53:25 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: 1rudeboy
I’m not quite sure that the effective range of an upright piano is 500 yards.

F=M*V2.

It just depends on what numbers you plug in and can make happen.

Weigh the piano with good scales.

/johnny

47 posted on 06/02/2013 6:56:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sawdring

If you want to get somebody with deep pockets and some stroke on your side, take your information to the owner of the railroad right of way. It is illegal to shoot from or across any right of way in many states. They might be able to provide something helpful...say, a lawyer letter with hints of gathering storm clouds should he persist in any reckless illegal actions. Just a thought...


48 posted on 06/02/2013 6:57:19 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: taxcontrol

Thanks for the info! I’m hoping he modifies things first.


49 posted on 06/02/2013 6:57:57 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Does this idiot have a backstop?

On our property up north we built a firing range. No houses/cottages in that direction for a long ways as we have 100 acres, mostly woods. Still, there’s a backstop there. Always.


50 posted on 06/02/2013 7:07:10 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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