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Teaching Kids Not to Help an Old Lady
Jewish World Review ^ | 6/3/2013 | Lenore Skenazy

Posted on 06/04/2013 11:22:20 AM PDT by Former Fetus

Here's a bit of advice real "safety experts" are giving kids — and parents. It's poisonous. But first, the back story:

The other day, a blogger named Lisa Flam wrote on a popular parenting website that her seventh-grader came home one day and announced he "didn't do it." Didn't do what? He and his friend were walking home from school (points for that!), when a white-haired lady stood in her doorway and requested the boys' help. "She asked them to move a medium-size package from her front step into her house," Flam wrote. "On the sidewalk, the boys wondered what to do."

At first, they did absolutely nothing, knowing that they "shouldn't." After all, they didn't know this woman, making her a stranger, making this fall into the dreaded category of "stranger danger." But then, after the woman said she's 84 years old and couldn't move it herself, the other boy did the dirty deed:

He helped an old lady.

The blogger's son did not. So — torn between gratitude that her son understands that the world is full of danger and doubts as to whether his refusal to help actually constituted good judgment — the mom called (who else?) the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. Those are the folks who put the missing kids' pictures on the milk cartons and neglected to mention that the vast majority were not taken by a stranger.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: childhood; kids; safety; strangerdanger; trends
It is sad to think that we live in a society where helping an old lady could possible be risky. What would be the solution? CWP for kids?
1 posted on 06/04/2013 11:22:20 AM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

What?
Didn’t one of the boys have a tazer?


2 posted on 06/04/2013 11:26:10 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Former Fetus
I blame a whole society and its "experts," bent on convincing us that our kids are in constant danger and that the only way to keep them safe is to imagine the worst-case scenarios (for example, a pimp's hiring an 84-year-old accomplice) and proceed as if those were likely to happen today to our kids.

This is, of course, theoretically possible.

But I wonder if it has ever happened. I doubt it.

I have never seen any quantification that children are at greater risk today than in past decades. Yet our society constantly acts as if they are.

Thereby creating its own set of problems.

When I was the age of these boys I rode my bike on a camping trip 1200 miles through the Ozarks. With my 16 year old brother.

It would never have crossed our minds not to help an old lady.

3 posted on 06/04/2013 11:29:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Bon mots
Didn’t one of the boys have a tazer?

That's the ticket.
One boy could have gone to help the lady while the other covered him against treachery with his water pistol.

Oh... wait. A water pistol would have been confiscated in school and the kid would be in jail... never mind.

Sometimes the "authorities" are the more dangerous.

4 posted on 06/04/2013 11:33:19 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Former Fetus

What happened to : “ I’ll go get my mom to help (or DAD)”?

My kids would have known that reply 40 years ago if the person was not a family friend.

Now we have kids bragging; “I didn’t do it” and a mother not going to the site but instead calling “officialdom”!

Sorry state of affairs!


5 posted on 06/04/2013 11:34:52 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Former Fetus

Here in Virginia children hold doors open for adults, men holds doors open for women, and if you see someone in need assistance you offer before you are asked.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 11:35:20 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Former Fetus

Teaching our children to become like the Eloi.

We are 800,000 years ahead of our own time.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 11:35:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: verga

Same here, in South Carolina.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 11:41:25 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

How did that medium sized box appear on her doorstep? Why didn’t the person delivering it bring it inside?

How could a couple of kids be afraid of a little old lady? surely they could have overpowered her if she tried anything naughty. If the L.O.L. was the size of moochelle, then perhaps the boys were smart in not helping.

Did the L.O.L. offer them candy?

sigh...long gone are the days when boys would help anyone and then get rewarded with milk and cookies.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 11:44:19 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Former Fetus

In a “Lenny’s Clam Bar” some 25 or so years ago I listened to a (non custodial) father, most likely a Lawyer, tell his 10 year old son every possible way you could sue some one. They were having a gleeful old time and doing some serious father, son bonding.
It was disgusting and reminded me what a burglar father might teach his son.
It might be better for granny to move it herself or pay someone to move it, rather then have some kid help her, who then sues when they pull a muscle or worse when they cry rape and that granny kissed their forehead in a carnal manner.


10 posted on 06/04/2013 11:45:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Former Fetus
As I understand how these things are supposed to work ... I think both boys -- and the old lady -- are supposed to be arrested and put into labor camps.

Has this been done? And if not, what is the hold up?

11 posted on 06/04/2013 11:53:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Former Fetus

Just putting my 2cents worth in Former Fetus...but South Carolina is THE most polite place I’ve EVER been to in the entire United States, and I’ve been through most of it. I’ve spent actual time there, and loved it.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 12:02:27 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

That would have cost extra postage if it was USPS.


13 posted on 06/04/2013 12:04:37 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sherman Logan

They are inculcating “fear” into children (intentionally)——this constant underlying worldview which is necessary for a Communist State. They are constantly engaging the Limbic system-—which is abnormal and evil to do in little children-—it destroys rationality-—elevates emotions above Reason. Maturity is measured by the ability for Reason to control emotions. Always directing children to emotions, rather than Logic—will eliminate the ability to use Logic. (This is how our schools destroy Reason and Logic in the classroom). Not only that-—they link ugly emotions with Christian Ethics-—like “nag” to “mother” etc. “Loving” to Communism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdPz7Eg18jU&feature=player_embedded

All children should have “Trust” in adults and their environment. If they don’t-—then they will become emotionally disturbed adults-—very insecure at most times and unable to trust others (no long term healthy relationships). It destroys the family and their children.

Montesquieu stated that it is necessary to promote Virtue (trust) in the people for Free Republics....Fear in people for Totalitarian governments and loyalty in Monarchies.

Trust is learned in early childhood, but it can be undermined easily especially in children under 12.


14 posted on 06/04/2013 12:33:59 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

The delivery man/woman/person/whatever bring it in? Ha! They sneak up to the door, ring the bell and immediately sprint as fast as they can back to their truck so they won’t have to bring it in for you. They never hang around long enough for anyone to answer the door.


15 posted on 06/04/2013 12:43:24 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Former Fetus

Sure, the mom is so worried about a little old lady molesting her teenager but probably can’t be bothered with him texting total strangers and putting his picture and where he’s going to be to everyone on Facebook.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 12:50:38 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Bon mots

17 posted on 06/04/2013 12:55:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Former Fetus
Along with the kid the other day that got in trouble for defending his friend against a bully with a knife there is a common thread. Teach it that you cannot judge or handle problems yourself, but you must rely on the government or some other authority to do so. In this way it FORCES society to depend on others rather than themselves. This has a crippling effect on the the continued fight for freedom from a tyrannical government with the latter gathering further leverage against such an effort. Nay, the will to pursue is lost, with freedom comes responsibility. It is hard to see the fruits of freedom if you don't experience responsibility.
18 posted on 06/04/2013 1:03:59 PM PDT by Herosmith ("Hindsight alone is not wisdom, And second-guessing is not a strategy." - GWB)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ve think you’ve got it.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 1:12:31 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: Former Fetus

Sadly, there have already been real examples of such danger.

Many serial killers/rapists/kidnapers have used older women to bring their victim’s guard down. Typically, it is the psycho’s wife

There was some guy here in NYC who would pretend to be a crippled old man to get young girls to “help” him upstairs.


20 posted on 06/04/2013 1:35:59 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: bgill

That’s not why they sprint back to their truck. They leave quickly because they are being timed. There is a GPS on them and their managers know exactly where they are at all times. They are timed from point A to point B. It is recorded when the truck stops and how much time is spent at each place. Very little time is given them and they are penalized when spending too long at a house, even down to the seconds.

Disclaimer: I do not work for a delivery company, nor do I know anyone who does. I have just seen various delivery people clicking a clock on their equipment.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 4:09:33 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Jemian

IOW, like doctors these days.


22 posted on 06/04/2013 8:28:41 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: bgill

My doctor doesn’t follow a time clock, he listens to his patients.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Jemian

I knew some UPS guys who mentioned that at some point they all had nightmares about their deliveries - timing, wrong package, can’t find the address, etc. Kind of like dreams about needing to take an exam but you can’t find the exam room. : )


24 posted on 06/05/2013 1:19:06 AM PDT by radiohead
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To: Former Fetus

There are few things more gratifying than doing the right thing and getting shit for it. I #ing love pissing off scumbags.


25 posted on 06/05/2013 1:46:13 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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