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Owners Say Cats Descended from Non-Domestic Animals Are Safe [photo essay]
ABC News ^

Posted on 06/04/2013 2:09:26 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

The first known Savannah cat was born April 7, 1986 when a female domestic cat gave birth to a kitten sired by an African Serval, according to the International Cat Association (TICA). It is described as a tall, lean, graceful cat with "striking dark spots and other bold markings.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Pets/Animals
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Pix at source.

All controversy should be this cute.

1 posted on 06/04/2013 2:09:26 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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2 posted on 06/04/2013 2:10:11 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have seen pics of these savannah cats and they are magnificent but really large and really expensive.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 2:14:38 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I don`t know about this, it sounds allot like those morons that like to cross wolves and domestic dogs, NOT good.
4 posted on 06/04/2013 2:15:35 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

Breeding a dog with a wolf results in an animal that eventually forgets its training, or simply ignores instructions because it’s bored. Domestic cats are like that already, so what difference does breeding one with a serval or jungle cat make?

Both of the aforementioned species are near the low end of the felid size spectrum, btw.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 2:19:37 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I guess the difference is whether it is going to eat the baby.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 2:21:06 PM PDT by Marylander
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To: nomad

Lots of wolf in any Alaskahusky. Some so much that they have both the wolf face and size.


7 posted on 06/04/2013 2:21:21 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Slings and Arrows

My now gone Kitty looked just like the Savannah cat....although much prettier than the one in the pic (not cross eyed).

She was loving and affection with me, but hated everyone and everything else and wasn’t afraid to use her evil. Of course, her “love” was when she was in the mood.

Although she always had to be near me....at all times.


8 posted on 06/04/2013 2:21:36 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

There’s no such thing as a domestic cat. Some have just adopted humans to serve them.

Savannahs and Maine Coons are humongous, but I wouldn’t feel threatened by one even if it was really pissed. (I had a Maine Coon for 15 years). An 8 pound Siamese scares me more because they are true psychopaths with long memories.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 2:21:39 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: nomad
Ex-Wife had a Bengal, F-4 cross between asian mountain lepoard, and domesticated house cat.

He was a sweetheart. But he was small enough I couldn't have fed more than 2 people with him. 14 lbs or so.

/johnny

10 posted on 06/04/2013 2:22:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bryanw92

“There’s no such thing as a domestic cat.”

Very true. The “domestic” cat has diverged very little from its wild cousin, the wildcat.


11 posted on 06/04/2013 2:23:18 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Report them to the IRS immediately!


12 posted on 06/04/2013 2:24:17 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
cougar door photo: cougar out back door cougar3.jpg

"Lemme in. I got an ABC News article saying I'm completely safe."

13 posted on 06/04/2013 2:24:44 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Bryanw92
An 8 pound Siamese scares me more because they are true psychopaths with long memories.

That's why I had welding gloves to put ours in the pet carrier for vet trips. And insurance that covered transfusions. Never owned another Siamese.

/johnny

14 posted on 06/04/2013 2:25:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I don't understand what the problem is.

If they were breeding them with large cats that would be one thing but these cats are only a little larger and very smart and affectionate.

They are also crossing them with breeds that have successfully been tamed in the past.

Now if they were crossing them with the Scottish Wild Cat....pass.

Those things are just plain wild.

15 posted on 06/04/2013 2:27:16 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: Marylander
I guess the difference is whether it is going to eat the baby.

My housecatz lick my eyelids if I sleep in late, just to check if it's time yet. My daughter makes me at least ping her every day because: "We don't want to find you if the catz have had you for 3 days".

Catz are like that. You gotta be a little Klingon to own killing carnivores for pets.

/johnny

16 posted on 06/04/2013 2:27:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

But feral cats account for plenty of wildlife/small game deaths, introducing another, potentially more efficient hunter into the North American ecosystem is simply not a smart or sound idea. Among other reasons, if O`Bozo keeps up his efforts, we may well need that small game soon. Don`t like the idea of people having to compete with Kitteh and his bigger cousins for rabbit or squirrel stew.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 2:29:10 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Bryanw92

You’d be afraid of my Kitty. I don’t think she was full Savannah but it was the closest breed I could locate, trying to figure out what she was. Also, they look black; however in sunlight they are actually a very dark chocolate brown. Very pretty.

Those ears are prominent, as with the “light fur” going down from ear to eyes.

It was my favorite spot to kiss, when allowed, and she loved it.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 2:29:31 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

>>Very true. The “domestic” cat has diverged very little from its wild cousin, the wildcat.

I have 5 outdoor cats (rescued strays) and despite eating their weight in cat food each month, they hunt constantly. I love to sit out in the back yard want watch them all. We’re in florida, so there is an abundance of lizards and mice. They are pure killers.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 2:29:53 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Breeding a dog with a wolf results in an animal that eventually forgets its training, or simply ignores instructions because it’s bored.

Hmmmmmm ... that describes my beagle pretty well and I'm pretty sure that there hasn't been a wolf in her lineage for the past few thousand years.
20 posted on 06/04/2013 2:30:25 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JRandomFreeper; Bryanw92

I don’t know what my crazy Mary is, just a gray domestic. She ALWAYS knows when the carrier is for her.

By the time we get to the vet, they are more worried about me than her.

I guess it’s all the blood seeping through the clothes on my arms, legs and thighs.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 2:32:48 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone
Leather welding gloves. They work. Trust me.

/johnny

22 posted on 06/04/2013 2:33:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>That’s why I had welding gloves to put ours in the pet carrier for vet trips. And insurance that covered transfusions. Never owned another Siamese.

I’ve never had a Siamese. I’ve had three Himalayans, which can have a Siamese temperament or a Persian temperament, but you never know which cat it will be.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 2:34:07 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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I’ll get a pair. I’m certainly winded after trying to trap her in the bathroom just to then attempt to get her in the damn carrier!


24 posted on 06/04/2013 2:35:37 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Never owned another Siamese.

We are living with our second Siamese. Both have been big lovable babies without a mean bone in them. Our little half-Siamese guy can be a terror though.

Both neutered males though, no idea how a spayed female Siamese is to live with. Wife prefers male kittehs.

25 posted on 06/04/2013 2:35:38 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: NoGrayZone

>>You’d be afraid of my Kitty.

Perhaps, but I’ve had a 26 pound Maine...and have given him pills.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 2:35:50 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
I love to sit out in the back yard want watch them all. We’re in florida, so there is an abundance of lizards and mice. They are pure killers.

I've got a German Shorthaired Pointer (dog) that is the same way. Lord have mercy on the critter that strays into our yard. With people she's timid and shy, but with squirrels, rabbits, lizards, cats, birds, mice, etc... she's a hell-hound.

27 posted on 06/04/2013 2:37:11 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I would like one with leopard spots, please.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 2:37:45 PM PDT by No Socialist
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To: doorgunner69
The worst part was opening doors, cabinets, etc... And interrupting during delicate moments.

/johnny

29 posted on 06/04/2013 2:38:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Snickering Hound

Now seeing that looking at me would make me pee my pants!!


30 posted on 06/04/2013 2:39:17 PM PDT by No Socialist
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To: Bryanw92

Lol....my Kitty popping pills didn’t last long, had to switch to liquid, much easier.

Did she get it all? No. But I told her it was for her own good and only for 7-10 days.

She really didn’t like to listen either. However, I got less mutilated with the liquid than with pills.

She would also pretend to swallow them, then spit it out while walking away, stare me down, daring me to try again.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 2:39:51 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Just busybodies armed with the certainty of ignorance.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 2:40:38 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I would think that it would take several generations removed from a wild to get that “wild” out of them.

But just the same, once it figures out that it can kick your butt, it will.


33 posted on 06/04/2013 2:42:14 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
No cat is safe. To say such a thing is an insult to cats.

They are lions and tigers who happen to be behaving well FOR THE MOMENT.

As an aside, here's that classic old youtube video on herding cats.

34 posted on 06/04/2013 2:43:55 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Slings and Arrows

And somebody is bitchin’ about the wittle puddy? I’ll bring my Donald O. Rumsfeld (Rummy-Dummy) over and they can bitch like hell. My girlfriend does.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 2:44:25 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have a reclaimed feral cat. Her mother was an abandoned Siamese and her father was certainly mixed origin.
She was 5 months old when I got her and she socialized quite willingly. But now and then the feral comes out and I have the bite marks to show for it.
She is worth it. She has many redeeming qualities and I would not trade her for a gentler cat at all.


36 posted on 06/04/2013 2:45:12 PM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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You're right about cats not being domesticated. They're just socially adapted ferals.

But I take issue with you thoughts on Siamese. Over many decades I have a bunch of Siamese and none were anything about affectionate and sociable

They can be made crazy but they aren't born that way.

My latest Siamese likes people so much he comes and gets me when the doorbell rings and he hopes it's someone who's going to come in. No, they're great cats.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 2:46:01 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I love the Savanna’s but the cheapest one I have found was 800 dollars...prices usually start at 1000 and go up from there, depending on the kitty...Have seen pictures of them walking on a leash like a dog, but if the cat ran away, with what they cost, you’d cry for a week...


38 posted on 06/04/2013 2:49:09 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Bryanw92

Siamese cats are not “psychopaths”, and they are neither frightening nor dangerous; they are gentle, predictable, and affectionate, more like dogs than cats of other breeds. The only ones who are not have been abused and fear humans; any animal that has been abused fears humans..


39 posted on 06/04/2013 2:52:32 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Snickering Hound
Where I live my response to that request would be; “you ain't coming in cause your already dead”.
40 posted on 06/04/2013 2:52:33 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Bryanw92

my daughters barn cats bring dead mice and other critters and leave them at her garage door so she won’t go hungry..She loves her cats but says that is gross, they are also good enough hunters that she sometimes finds rabbit fur in the garage or barn


41 posted on 06/04/2013 2:55:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

They’re just showing that they’re not freeloaders. If they brought live mice, it would mean that they thought your daughter was a lousy hunter and needed the practice. Seriously.


42 posted on 06/04/2013 3:01:48 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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>>Siamese cats are not “psychopaths”, and they are neither frightening nor dangerous; they are gentle, predictable, and affectionate, more like dogs than cats of other breeds.

I know. I was (mostly) kidding about the Siamese (I never met a cat I didn’t like, or didn’t like me). My Himalayans act like fat Siamese and I agree with you that they are more dog than cat in their interaction with humans. Once they bond with “their human’, they become your shadow.


43 posted on 06/04/2013 3:01:50 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JRandomFreeper

My wife brushes our Siamese cat’s teeth every day, without even having to hold her paws. We have four of them. They are never any trouble at all, males or females. The oldest is 17 years old. These cats are much gentler than other breeds of cats—unless they have been abused. I’ve had Siamese cats since the mid-1950s—every one of them gentle, with adults and children—somewhat like golden retrievers, my favorite breed of dog.


44 posted on 06/04/2013 3:03:02 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: goat granny

Yes, too rich for my blood. We get our cats the same way we get our dogs they show up in the yard with a sad look. :-)


45 posted on 06/04/2013 3:04:25 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lady Jag
The thing with people thinking Siamese be crazy may have to do with their intelligence. Both of our guys have been very bright, sometimes almost scary smart for a cat.

Both excelled at inventing games. Our dearly departed buddy loved to play soccer. He would swat one of his fuzzy balls to you and expect it to be passed back. He invented the game, we did not start it. He also figured out how to pull drawers open by standing on hind legs, hooking the top with front paws, and backing up. Drove the wife crazy.

46 posted on 06/04/2013 3:05:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Bryanw92

“An 8 pound Siamese scares me”

Always go male Siamese, fixed. I never had a bad male Siamese. They love everyone! Females...feh!


47 posted on 06/04/2013 3:07:36 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (What if the DHS tried to provoke conservatives to revolt and no one came?)
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To: NoGrayZone
****She would also pretend to swallow them, then spit it out while walking away, stare me down, daring me to try again.****

LOL patients on the psych unit at the hospital I use to work at do the same thing. After giving them their meds, we had to do a mouth cheek looky to make sure they swallowed.

48 posted on 06/04/2013 3:08:14 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Slings and Arrows

belly laugh and I’ll tell her that....GG


49 posted on 06/04/2013 3:12:41 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: doorgunner69

I have had twelve Siamese cats—every one lovable without a mean bone in its body—dependable, predictable, gentle, kind, affectionate, highly intelligent.


50 posted on 06/04/2013 3:12:57 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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