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My Apology to Mormon Readers
townhall.com ^ | 6-5-2013 | Mike Adams

Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969

Dear Stacey:

You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.

I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.

I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.

I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.

I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.

I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.

I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.

I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.

I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the bride’s place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.

I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helen’s father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.

I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his “temporary” marriage to Helen.

I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: “I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”

I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: “Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord.” (Jacob 2:24).

I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”

I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.

I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.

Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.


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1 posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

bkmk


2 posted on 06/05/2013 2:24:40 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: servo1969

What an ignorant and bigoted plick. /s


3 posted on 06/05/2013 2:41:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: servo1969

These statements and more demonstrate the seperateness of Christianity and Mormonism.

The only reason they say "We are Christian" is an attempt to morph into something they are not and co-opt Christianity.

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.

"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

 

“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9

1 Nephi 14:10 "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."

"Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian" (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).

Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).

Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray. Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.” (Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).

 

 

The plaque above is found in Temple Square with Joseph Smith a top it.

Do the Latter Day Saints corporately and collectively believe this and support that view point?  Of course they do.  Otherwise, if there is no resurrected church then there is no LDS.

But everyone outside their group is "Anti-Mormon"?  LOL  They are Anti-Christian and seek not only to undermine Christianity and their beliefs but outright work to subordinate one man to another, in that one must accept the Prophets words as sacrosanct and inviolable.

No man pays fealty to another as their superior because their so called god ordains it.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 2:42:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie - this guy is a hoot.

This is the man who had ‘jesus’ (small j) returning at his second coming (all small) to .... Missouri.

In “The Millennial Messiah”.

Taught false doctrine his whole life it appears.


5 posted on 06/05/2013 2:46:46 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: servo1969

Amen, servo, amen. However much they want to count themselves Christians, the belief that they can become gods themselves rules them out. That and that they don’t believe in the trinity as the rest of us do. Unitarians don’t qualify either as they don’t believe in the Trinity.

My own church (Catholic) fully accepts the baptisms of all protestants who convert as having been already validly conferred. [If there is any doubt if the right formula was used i.e. with water and being “baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - a conditional baptism would be used. i.e. “If you are not baptized I baptize you in the name...etc.” ] But any Mormon wanting to convert will be first Baptized, as they are not considered Christians.


6 posted on 06/05/2013 2:47:40 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: servo1969
There is one and only one test to measure if a group is a cult and not Christian. Jesus gave the bottom line when He asked Peter, “Who do you say I am?” That is the one and only question we are to ask.

Jesus/Yahshua was Elohim...fully God and fully man. That's it. Period. Seventh Day Adventists have Ellen G. white say Jesus was Michael the Archangel...Jehovah Witnesses have Jesus as Michael and Mormons have him as Lucifer's brother. Oh my.
Bottom line it with people...ask them who they say Jesus is, that will tell you where they are coming from.

7 posted on 06/05/2013 2:53:45 AM PDT by ladyL (.)
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To: servo1969

There is one and only one test to measure if a group is a cult and not Christian. Jesus gave the bottom line when He asked Peter, “Who do you say I am?” That is the one and only question we are to ask.

Jesus/Yahshua was Elohim...fully God and fully man. That’s it. Period. Seventh Day Adventists have Ellen G. white say Jesus was Michael the Archangel...Jehovah Witnesses have Jesus as Michael and Mormons have him as Lucifer’s brother. Oh my.
Bottom line it with people...ask them who they say Jesus is, that will tell you where they are coming from.


8 posted on 06/05/2013 2:54:12 AM PDT by ladyL (.)
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To: All



9 posted on 06/05/2013 2:55:06 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Vendome
Christians...some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men.

This statement is of course absolutely true.

10 posted on 06/05/2013 3:15:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: alarm rider; Apple Pan Dowdy; BatGuano; Battle Axe; bayouranger; bboop; BenKenobi; Biggirl; ...

Mike Adams Column


Please Freepmail me if you want to be added, or removed from the ping list

11 posted on 06/05/2013 3:27:32 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Sherman Logan

Though it’s pretty rich coming from a guy who pimped out his own 14 year old daughter.


12 posted on 06/05/2013 3:30:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Colofornian

ping to the same ol tune...played in a major key.


13 posted on 06/05/2013 3:51:34 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: servo1969

Made up stories of how a new gospel of JC was found and the veracity of what actually happened or did not happen in the real world in those stories.

Vs

True stories of men who actually lived 2000 and more years ago who preached via stories of a God and Creation whose veracity can only be accepted by faith.

Tough one.


14 posted on 06/05/2013 3:55:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: servo1969

In response,

Ye who have no sin, let him cast the first stone ....

I’m sorry that a direct ancestor of Christ, through whom God had designated as the Christ’s lineage had hundreds of polygamous wives (ie David, Soloman).

I’m sorry that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob chose Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, two of the three confirmed polygamist.

I’m sorry that Christ asked his disciples to be “one, even as we are one, as though father are in me and I in the that they may be one in us”.

I’m sorry that your definition of the oneness of God and Christ forever prohibits you as a disciple from obeying this fervent prayer of Christ since you or they as a disciple could never join as...

....twelve in one, and one in twelve, but not dividing the substance, or combining the hypostasis, but there are being of the twelve and twelve bings of the one, ..... repeat with various differnces ad nasuem ....

I’m Sorry that Christ actually was the Son of the Living God as the Bible said, and that when He cried out on Calvary “My Father, Why has though forsaken me”. That he was truly Calling out to his Father in Heaven and not to some mysterious multiple personality of his own being.

I am also sorry that you do not allow for the possibility of Faith and the Testimony of the Holy Ghost.

I’m sorry that while you read the Book of Mormon in 2006 that you obviously read it hand in hand with the best and most inflammatory of anti-mormon literature, since you appear to be more conversant with that than you are about the doctrines of our church.

However, I am greatful, that when you read the bible that you did not subject it to the identical prejudice that you did the Book of Mormon, or you’d probably be praising people flying planes into the WTC.

I’d love to get into a Christian doctrinal comparison of my LDS beliefs vs yours and the Bible as well as the early pre nicene fathers beliefs ..... and you may find that most of all ..... your Christian beliefs have been compromised, distorted, reinterpreted, transformed and replaced from the original doctrine of Jesus Christ.

I as a Latter Day Saint (Mormon) state that I humbly seek to devote my life, talents, time, resources, and family to my Eternal Father in Heaven and his literal Son, the Only Begotten of God, Jesus Christ.

I’m sorry that in your mind this makes me unchristian.

I am also sorry, that through ample personal experiences, Jesus Christ has shown me that he does not share your opinion.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 4:03:43 AM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Sherman Logan

That could be said of any group of people!!!


16 posted on 06/05/2013 4:03:57 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: Vendome

I was accused by someone of being a Jehova’s witness simply because I believe the unsaved do not suffer conscious torture for time unending. I told him that I believe that both JW’s and Mormonism take Christianity, jack it up, remove the foundation and replace it with a thin sheet of styrofoam.

It looks Christian until you actually look closely.


17 posted on 06/05/2013 4:06:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ladyL

Sorry but your very silly.

The bible teaches that God is the (literal) Father of Jesus Christ, he is also the Father (creator) of Lucifer, he is also my father and your father in heaven.

In the sense that all of Gods creations are brothers and sisters, yes .... if you care to bark up that tree, I guess that you could make the acertion that Jesus Christ and Satan are spiritual brothers.

I could also make a similarly inflamatory remark by saying that your reliance on the Nicen, Apostolic and Athenasian Creeds create a definition of God the Father as having a three-way personality disorder. Here in earthlife, with modern medicne that particular can be cured with psychiatric medication.

In otherwords .... I worship God the eternal father through his son Jesus Christ.....

....and in a parallel distorted and inflamatory way to your view of my faith, it could be said that .... your worship of God the Father includes a multiple personality disorder.


18 posted on 06/05/2013 4:21:02 AM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: servo1969

bkmrk


19 posted on 06/05/2013 4:21:54 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: servo1969

I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.


20 posted on 06/05/2013 4:40:36 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: servo1969
have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism

Why are you criticizing?

21 posted on 06/05/2013 4:41:50 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: ladyL
Seventh Day Adventists have Ellen G. white say Jesus was Michael the Archangel...Jehovah Witnesses have Jesus as Michael and Mormons have him as Lucifer’s brother.

I knew that about the Mormon's but never knew that about the JW's and SDA's. Thanks for sharing that.

22 posted on 06/05/2013 4:55:15 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: teppe
I worship God the eternal father through his son Jesus Christ.....

In what sense? You don't actually pray to Jesus (cf Acts 7:59), do you?

23 posted on 06/05/2013 4:57:23 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: teppe

I’m sorry that people try to justify sin by using the example of other people’s sin.

Just because others sin, does not make it right.

The record of the sin of others is not in the Bible as an example for us to follow.

Sheesh.....


24 posted on 06/05/2013 4:58:28 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: ontap

Quite true.


25 posted on 06/05/2013 4:59:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: metmom

Oh yes. Big teaching of Ellen G. White and Charles Taze Russell.

And from roughly the same time period, the kooky teachings of Charles and Myrtle Fillmore.


26 posted on 06/05/2013 5:08:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: servo1969
Lets go down to Short Creek and visit our Polygamous relatives and friends. It's a cool place to hide from the feds down on the Arizona strip.


27 posted on 06/05/2013 5:14:45 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: servo1969

I have an idea: why don’t we believe what we want to believe and let God decide who’s right?


28 posted on 06/05/2013 5:23:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: teppe

Hie thee then to Kolob and abide with Elohim!

Some of the names in the BoM are real rib-ticklers; my fave is “Mosiah”. And just what is a “curelom”, anyway?

;^)


29 posted on 06/05/2013 5:34:16 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: IronJack

If that were to actually happen, some would have no life or reason for being.


30 posted on 06/05/2013 5:41:16 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Lerner must be tried and executed..... crime against the Republic)
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To: servo1969

Dear Mike,

Apology accepted. My other cheek is ready whenever you are.


31 posted on 06/05/2013 7:36:25 AM PDT by POWG
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To: Vendome
Do the Latter Day Saints corporately and collectively believe this and support that view point?

Apparently, since it warranted a plaque all by itself, they want people to stay off the statues. I wonder if the pigeons are impressed by the plaque?

/comedian

32 posted on 06/05/2013 9:22:37 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: IronJack

Where’s the fun in that? You’re never going to get a chance to demand things and actions of others with an attitude like that, Jack.

(How ya been?)


33 posted on 06/05/2013 9:24:19 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’m doing well. Hope you are the same ...?


34 posted on 06/05/2013 9:44:10 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

Yes, doing very well. Work is busy, so I don’t notice much else, other than my baby at home, the lovely Miss Slippy.


35 posted on 06/05/2013 10:04:44 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Elsie

Mike Adams apologizes to Mormons ping.


36 posted on 06/05/2013 11:13:30 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: servo1969

The Mormons, snakehandlers, tongue speakers, Harold Camping, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientologists, the Crouches, what’s the difference?


37 posted on 06/05/2013 11:16:23 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: servo1969
I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.

And that is why Mormonism is not, in any meaningful sense, Christianity. it fails on first principles.

If you believe that there is one, and only one, God, then you might be Christian.

If you believe that the number of gods that exist is greater than one, you are most definitely not Christian.

Frauduently slapping the name "Jesus Christ" on the label doesn't magically transform your religion into something that resembles what Jesus Christ and his apostles actually taught.

38 posted on 06/05/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: teppe
Deuteronomy 6:4 Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai ECHAD.

ECHAD= composite one

YACHID= indivisible one

Every observant Jew has repeated this scripture many times a day for thousands of years. Echad, Elohim, composite makes you wonder how people miss it.

39 posted on 06/05/2013 12:23:34 PM PDT by ladyL (.)
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To: servo1969

This is a sorry excuse for an excuse.


40 posted on 06/05/2013 1:55:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome
What an ignorant and bigoted plick. /s


Is THIS any way to be???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

41 posted on 06/05/2013 1:57:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: gemoftheocean
However much they want to count themselves Christians, the belief that they can become gods themselves rules them out.

They CAN???


I don't know if they 'believe' it; but it IS in their Scripture...


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


42 posted on 06/05/2013 1:59:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yup...

SOME is such a WONDERFUL word.

It allows you to say the most scandalous things...


43 posted on 06/05/2013 2:01:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

Poor teppe...

... a sorry apologist for Mormonism.


44 posted on 06/05/2013 2:02:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

Poor teppe...

... a sorry apologist for Mormonism.


45 posted on 06/05/2013 2:02:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
I as a Latter Day Saint (Mormon) state that I humbly seek to devote my life, talents, time, resources, and family to my Eternal Father in Heaven and his literal Son, the Only Begotten of God, Jesus Christ.

Say there, Humbly Devoted One.

Do you have a Temple Recommend?

IF so - then I will bow to your 'devotedness'.

If not; then you are amoung the vast majority of MORMONs.

46 posted on 06/05/2013 2:04:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Why no. No it isn’t.

I lost my Inman ping list.

Can you Freepmail me?

thnx.


47 posted on 06/05/2013 2:04:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ontap

SOME of the time.


48 posted on 06/05/2013 2:04:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
The bible teaches that God is the (literal) Father of Jesus Christ, he is also the Father (creator) of Lucifer, he is also my father and your father in heaven.

Ok; just who is your MOTHER in Heaven?

(Please DEVOTE some time to a well thought out answer before replying...)

49 posted on 06/05/2013 2:06:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
In otherwords .... I worship God the eternal father through his son Jesus Christ.....

Are you SURE this is enough??


What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

 
 
 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


50 posted on 06/05/2013 2:07:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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