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MLB seeks to suspend A-Rod, Braun
ESPN ^ | 6/5/2013 | T.J. Quinn, Pedro Gomez and Mike Fish

Posted on 06/05/2013 8:41:30 AM PDT by Beave Meister

Major League Baseball will seek to suspend about 20 players connected to the Miami-area clinic at the heart of an ongoing performance-enhancing drug scandal, including Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun, possibly within the next few weeks, "Outside the Lines" has learned. If the suspensions are upheld, the performance-enhancing drug scandal would be the largest in American sports history.

Tony Bosch, founder of the now-shuttered Biogenesis of America, reached an agreement this week to cooperate with MLB's investigation, two sources told "Outside the Lines," giving MLB the ammunition officials believe they need to suspend the players.

One source familiar with the case said the commissioner's office might seek 100-game suspensions for Rodriguez, Braun and other players, the penalty for a second doping offense. The argument, the source said, is the players' connection to Bosch constitutes one offense, and previous statements to MLB officials denying any such connection or the use of PEDs constitute another.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Sports
KEYWORDS: arod; baseball; braun; doping; mlb; scandals
Well, I guess Tony Bosch had to make a living too...Ban them for life.
1 posted on 06/05/2013 8:41:30 AM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

Please let Cub reliever Carlos Marmol be on this list.....he sucks.


2 posted on 06/05/2013 8:44:00 AM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister

I remember when the steroid thing first started and the Mariners had one of their relievers on the list. I had to ask myself, if he was on steroids shouldn’t he be pitching better?


3 posted on 06/05/2013 8:47:31 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Beave Meister

Melky Cabrerra is another name that I heard this morning too.

Personally I think this is all stupid and not worth wasting taxpayer dollars on it but I still wish players wouldn’t do it at all.

I’m just not sure that PEDs really enhance performance all that much.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Beave Meister
All were found innocent - all were banned for life.Any player involved w/ PEDs should be banned for life.
5 posted on 06/05/2013 8:52:41 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: cripplecreek

I’d like to see an investigation of the current politicians in the COngress and Senate that are on drugs. The decisions they make, the bills they introduce all seems to be “out in left field” most of the time. Sounds like they too would qualify for suspensions for longer than 100 games, how about for life.


6 posted on 06/05/2013 8:53:03 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m just not sure that PEDs really enhance performance all that much.

A lot of the time, it is the THOUGHT that PED's enhance performance that is most important.

Later in a career, PED's do help little aches and pains get better faster so a player can play up to the MLB professional level longer.

7 posted on 06/05/2013 8:55:35 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: N. Theknow

Ryan Braun Brewers
Everth Cabrera Padres
Melky Cabrera Blue Jays
Francisco Cervelli Yankees
Bartolo Colon Athletics
Nelson Cruz Rangers
Fautino de los Santos Free agent
Gio Gonzalez* Nationals
Yasmani Grandal Padres
Fernando Martinez Astros
Jesus Montero Mariners
Jordan Norberto Free agent
Jhonny Peralta Tigers
Cesar Puello** Mets
Alex Rodriguez Yankees


8 posted on 06/05/2013 8:59:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Barry Bonds? Mark McGuire? Not helped by PED’s?


9 posted on 06/05/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Beave Meister

Maybe if he’s suspended again, A-Rod will look at his health and the suspension and decide to retire. One can only hope.

He’d still get his money if he does.


10 posted on 06/05/2013 9:04:24 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Beave Meister

List from the site at post 8.

A-Rod has been a financial disaster for the past couple of years.


11 posted on 06/05/2013 9:05:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

What evidence do you have that PEDs did anything to enhance their performance?

Unless you can take a guy off the street and turn him into a home run hitter through the use of PEDs, I see no real evidence. At best PEDs turn double hitters into home run hitters.


12 posted on 06/05/2013 9:08:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Beave Meister

MLB will rue the day they tried to suspend Ryan Braun again.

He’s already beaten them once. The same arbitrator will let him go again, and smack down baseball doubly-hard for picking on him with a revenge motive. Such are the ways of union enforced arbitration.

Bud Selig needs to learn what a no-win situation looks like.

(I know, I know....he could buy the Marlins. Turn the sarc off now, please)


13 posted on 06/05/2013 9:10:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cripplecreek

Amazing how many of them play for or played for the Yankees.


14 posted on 06/05/2013 9:28:47 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Beave Meister

The Yankees’ll be sucking wind without A-Rod.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 9:28:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: cripplecreek

PED’s absolutely help guys, especially when they start losing a little speed on their fastball, etc.
They help you recover from injuries much faster.

Let me ask you this.....

IF you were negotiating your contract in another year and it would help you get an extra $5 million dollars a year for the next six years, would you take them?

I know what my answer would be. HECK YEA!


16 posted on 06/05/2013 9:37:13 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Jack Hammer

Peralta is good but not spectacular.


17 posted on 06/05/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Unless you can take a guy off the street and turn him into a home run hitter through the use of PEDs, I see no real evidence.

That seems to be faulty logic. I doubt anyone argues that PEDs can turn the average person into a major league slugger.

At best PEDs turn double hitters into home run hitters.

That's a pretty signficant impact, isn't it? Especially if it is leaguewide. While it can't be considered definitive proof, offensive output increased signficantly around 2000, right the middle of the steroid era. In 2011, it dropped to early 90s levels.
18 posted on 06/05/2013 9:42:50 AM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: big'ol_freeper

That’s because the Yankees can afford to pay the big bucks. With the exception of Jeter and Rivera. The whole Yankees team for the last 10 years has been composed of the most expensive free agents available in the majors.

These are the players that are mid way through their career and take PED’s to keep hitting homers and keep their fastball in the mid 90’s. Also, many of these contracts are structured with performance incentives(hits, home runs, RBIs, etc.).


19 posted on 06/05/2013 9:43:44 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

There is the easy way to get cleared. Change their names to Bonds and McGuire!


20 posted on 06/05/2013 9:45:51 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: cripplecreek

Say it ain’t so Jhonny.


21 posted on 06/05/2013 9:46:16 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: needmorePaine
That's a pretty signficant impact, isn't it?

Not really when you consider that doubles are generally balls that go to the wall and home runs are balls that go over it. Triples are an insignificant divider due to the fact that they're generally the result of poor fielding.
22 posted on 06/05/2013 9:47:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

It can’t take a no talent guy like me and turn me into a big leaguer.
A lot of sports is eye/hand coordination. You could pump me full of roids BUT, I still will not be able to hit a 85 mph fastball, much less 95-100 mph.

Try going to a local fun park batting cage and try to hit a ball going over 75 mph.

Those are the real reasons why there are so few guys like Ted Williams.


23 posted on 06/05/2013 9:53:24 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: cripplecreek

I know - I’m a Sox fan.


24 posted on 06/05/2013 9:55:31 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: cripplecreek
Not really when you consider that doubles are generally balls that go to the wall and home runs are balls that go over it. Triples are an insignificant divider due to the fact that they're generally the result of poor fielding.

A home run secures at least 1 run; a double does not. A home run guarantees that the bases are cleared; a double does not.

If PEDs are in widespread use and provide the benefit you identified, they can impact runs, RBIs, and slugging percentage. PEDs can also turn long outs into home runs.
They may not turn a .250 hitter into a .350 hitter, but they can turn a .250 hitter with "warning track power" into a .270 hitter with home run power.
25 posted on 06/05/2013 9:57:07 AM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: woodbutcher1963
At best PED's are a tiny edge for a struggling pro. Jhonny Peralta is good but not spectacular. If he goes a few games without a hit, they start talking about sending him to Toledo to work on it.

On the other hand there is Miguel Cabrerra. You can clearly demonstrate why he's the hitter he is by noting how many hits he gets from outside the strike zone. His concentration is pretty obvious as well.

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26 posted on 06/05/2013 10:03:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

A lot from the American league. I have the solution, get rid of the DH.


27 posted on 06/05/2013 10:23:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Beave Meister

Is baseball irrelevant yet?


28 posted on 06/05/2013 10:24:41 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: cripplecreek

Look at their numbers! Better at 40 than 35? No to mention their physiques.


29 posted on 06/05/2013 12:25:28 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: cripplecreek

Also, turning a “doubles hitter” into a home run hitter is precisely enhancing their performance.


30 posted on 06/05/2013 12:29:54 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Wow. Alex Avila just made a double play by himself at 3rd base.

Runner got caught in a rundown between 3rd and home right at 3rd base and the runner from 2nd thought he could sneak in and Avila tagged him too as he slid into 3rd.


31 posted on 06/05/2013 4:42:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Beave Meister

Montero got sent down. If he was using PEDs, they weren’t working.


32 posted on 06/05/2013 4:46:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Beave Meister; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican; campaignPete R-CT; GOPsterinMA

Braun is guilty as shite. What a terrible liar he is, he should run for Congress.

Just come clean and beg for mercy Ryan.


33 posted on 06/05/2013 10:42:10 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: TBP
A-Rod will look at his health and the suspension and decide to retire. One can only hope.

He's not giving up the more than $100 million the Yankees owe him.

34 posted on 06/05/2013 11:47:05 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Jack Hammer
The Yankees’ll be sucking wind without A-Rod.

Why would that be when Kevin Youkilis is putting the same numbers he has put up over the past couple of years?

35 posted on 06/05/2013 11:49:01 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

But they could be getting the same numbers from Youkilis and have A-Rod at short, too.


36 posted on 06/06/2013 12:38:49 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Kazan

He still gets paid, but mostly by the insurance policy. He’d come off the Yankees’ payroll, however, and they’d save about 80 percent of the remaining value.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/for-alex-rodriguez—biogenesis-scandal-is-one-mess-he-can-t-clean-up-alone-011436922.html

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22351644/yankees-hope-for-speedy-recover-for-arod-or-not


37 posted on 06/06/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: cripplecreek

The ‘roids couldn’t have been that good if Nellie Cruz missed that fly ball in Game 6.


38 posted on 06/06/2013 2:35:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Busko
Change their names to Bonds and McGuire!

Or to "Sammy Sooser" and "Mike McGwire."

39 posted on 06/06/2013 2:36:51 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

They certainly aren’t the magic that some think they are.

Frankly I don’t care if the pros use them or not because they have the money to deal with the potential medical issues down the road.

I’d really rather see legislation that seriously punishes those who provide them to high school kids.


40 posted on 06/06/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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