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Too Much Deer Pee Changing Northern Forests
Livescience.com via Yahoo! News ^ | June 6, 2013 | Becky Oskin

Posted on 06/06/2013 8:06:43 AM PDT by goodwithagun

The booming deer population in the northern United States is bad for the animal's beloved hemlocks, a new study finds. During Michigan winters, white-tailed deer converge on stands of young hemlocks for protection from winter chill and predators. The same deer return every year to their favorite clumps of the bushy evergreens, called deeryards. The high concentration of deer in a small space saturates the soils with nitrogen from pee, according to a study published online in the journal Ecology. While deer pee can be a valuable source of nitrogen, a rare and necessary nutrient for plants, some deeryards are now too rich for the hemlocks to grow.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: deer; hemlock; michigan; pee; pests; wildlife
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Deer pee? I think we all know whose fault this really is!
1 posted on 06/06/2013 8:06:43 AM PDT by goodwithagun
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To: goodwithagun

I got a puppy about four months ago. There’s been a lot of rain lately, and the spots where he always pees are lush, bright green, while the rest of my yard is a pale color.


2 posted on 06/06/2013 8:08:00 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: goodwithagun

Maybe they can put up some porta potties in the forest and pay some of the new graduates of the University of San Francisco to give classes to deer on using these porta potties.


3 posted on 06/06/2013 8:08:19 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: goodwithagun

Trust me, Michigan deer don’t need or care about the hemlocks.


4 posted on 06/06/2013 8:08:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goodwithagun

BUSH’s FAULT! (Just got this straight from our CasaBlanca!)


5 posted on 06/06/2013 8:09:14 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: RightFighter

you should follow him around with a cup and save it, then use a garden sprayer to spread it around evenly.

And if you do, please take photos and post them here.

:)


6 posted on 06/06/2013 8:09:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

Photos of the yard afterwards, or photos of me following him around collecting his pee?


7 posted on 06/06/2013 8:11:36 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: goodwithagun
Hey....They put up deer crossing signs and that works.

Put up "Pee Here"...where you want them to go.

History teaches us that these signs work. :-)

8 posted on 06/06/2013 8:14:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: RightFighter

Nothing grows where Bambi goes.


9 posted on 06/06/2013 8:14:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: goodwithagun

At least we are not trying to teach them how to wash their genitals like we are in Africa.


10 posted on 06/06/2013 8:16:36 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: goodwithagun

I heard a guy tell a story once - wanted to grow beans, so he planted them and put in wooden stakes for them to grow up. Somehow he got a bunch of elephant manure so on a hunch he put some on his bean field.

Killed the beans but the stakes sprouted and evenually grew into 40 foot trees.


11 posted on 06/06/2013 8:17:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RightFighter

both!


12 posted on 06/06/2013 8:19:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: goodwithagun
If there are too many deer, then there are too few hunters.

13 posted on 06/06/2013 8:20:45 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: BitWielder1

Or too many restrictions on harvesting the deer.


14 posted on 06/06/2013 8:22:49 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Resolute Conservative

It was only $800,000


15 posted on 06/06/2013 8:23:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: goodwithagun

I’m tired of the ticks. The pee I don’t give a __ about


16 posted on 06/06/2013 8:23:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: goodwithagun

Out here on the left coast, deer pee seems to kill anything that is green or tries to grow.

A couple of years ago, we finally got permission to put a deer fence around our back yard to keep them from eating our roses, tomatoes, and other plants.

The first year our yard guy and I had to spray to weed killer on the ground around the outside perimeter of our deer fence.

The deer hang around that area coveting our plants protected by our fence, they can’t get to. So they pee and defecate several feet outside of the fence and around it.

Nothing is growing there. So any fire hazard due to plant growth outside the fence has been eliminated.


17 posted on 06/06/2013 8:25:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: goodwithagun

The trees die. The earth heats. The globe warms. The environment collapses. Everybody dies.

When I was a kid and my room was in the basement, I’d step outside by the back door in the dark and take a leak before going to bed. The grass was dead and yellow in this spot. So it is true. Government intervention is needed to stop outdoor peeing and the concomitant environmental catastrophe.


18 posted on 06/06/2013 8:26:07 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: goodwithagun
It's not deer pee killing Hemlocks, it's the Woolly Aphid:


19 posted on 06/06/2013 8:29:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: goodwithagun
Nature does what nature does.

And, apparently, it's up to us to stop it.

20 posted on 06/06/2013 8:29:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: mbarker12474

Don’t encourage them.


21 posted on 06/06/2013 8:32:21 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: listenhillary

Ticks, same problem here in NH. I never heard so much about Lyme disease 25 years ago. What happened?


22 posted on 06/06/2013 8:33:50 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: goodwithagun

They do realize there’s a solution for this on the books already, right?

It’s called deer season. Just increase the limit.


23 posted on 06/06/2013 8:44:41 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969; All

At this point, what difference does it make?


24 posted on 06/06/2013 8:47:02 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Oh, deer!


25 posted on 06/06/2013 8:47:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goodwithagun

What’s going on? Is mother nature on vacation or what?

Hemlock grows NATURALLY, deer NATURALLY congregate in the hemlock groves, deer NATURALLY pee where they congregate, pee is NATURALLY rich in nitrogen, too much nitrogen NATURALLY kills the hemlock...

So NATURALLY I have to ask: What’s the problem here?


26 posted on 06/06/2013 8:56:24 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: mbarker12474

I pee all over my yard at night. I deliberately pee around the garden as a bunny deterrent.


27 posted on 06/06/2013 9:09:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BitWielder1
I have a solution.

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28 posted on 06/06/2013 9:12:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goodwithagun

But, but, but... deer pee is organic < /enviroidiot>


29 posted on 06/06/2013 9:22:17 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: cripplecreek

I pee all over my yard at night. I deliberately pee around the garden as a bunny deterrent....When I pee in my yard, it pi*ses off Hugh Heffener, ‘cause all the bunnies sit in my hot tub.


30 posted on 06/06/2013 9:22:24 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: goodwithagun

Ban all deer!


31 posted on 06/06/2013 9:22:29 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: goodwithagun

Bush’s fault?


32 posted on 06/06/2013 9:23:17 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: GilesB

The animals that prey on deer have been unnaturally removed.


33 posted on 06/06/2013 9:23:57 AM PDT by stormer
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To: RightFighter
There’s been a lot of rain lately, and the spots where he always pees are lush, bright green, while the rest of my yard is a pale color.

I had a yellow lab, big guy, who pee'd in mostly the same place in my yard. It turned yellow and died. Had he spread the wealth, I'd bet our lawn would have been fine, but he spent all his efforts in one area and killed it.

34 posted on 06/06/2013 9:29:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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I have a problem with my dog peeing and killing the grass in her fenced in area. Does anyone have any recommendations to fix this?


35 posted on 06/06/2013 9:33:43 AM PDT by lwd
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To: goodwithagun

Guess we need to increase the bag limit ...


36 posted on 06/06/2013 9:35:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Grampa Dave

“...we finally got permission to put a deer fence around our back yard...”
You should move to America where we can put a fence around our yard if we want to or need to. No permission asked for or needed.


37 posted on 06/06/2013 10:24:37 AM PDT by notatard?
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To: goodwithagun

So, as I understand it, this is self correcting. Too many deer = too much deer pee = dead plants that deer eat = starving reduced deer population = less deer pee = more plants that deer eat = more deer. Cycle of life, isn’t it?


38 posted on 06/06/2013 10:32:14 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Revolting cat!

What is the EUROpeein’ solution to this problem?


39 posted on 06/06/2013 10:39:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: lwd

Lime


40 posted on 06/06/2013 10:40:08 AM PDT by toast
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To: T. P. Pole

And I was going to post that I probably won’t expect to see any hemlocks when I visit Zero’s grave. According to your theory I might after enough time.


41 posted on 06/06/2013 10:43:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: goodwithagun

So when will the government begin selling Pee credits?


42 posted on 06/06/2013 11:42:52 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: stormer

See post #38


43 posted on 06/06/2013 12:44:09 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: PeterPrinciple

I’d still watch where I step, though.


44 posted on 06/06/2013 12:49:40 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: GilesB

Without predation to modulate populations, carrying capacity can be exceeded. It’s conceivable that overgrazing can be so severe that plant populations have difficulty recovering and you have a crash. St. Matthews reindeer is a common example from basic ecology; compare that to the moose/wolf dynamic on Isle Royale.


45 posted on 06/06/2013 1:08:33 PM PDT by stormer
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To: goodwithagun

Venison on the table would solve much of this problem.


46 posted on 06/06/2013 3:24:38 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: toast

Good idea...I already have a bag in the shed...thanks...


47 posted on 06/06/2013 4:27:49 PM PDT by lwd
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To: DManA

His name didn’t happen to be Jack, did it?


48 posted on 06/06/2013 5:45:31 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: cripplecreek; Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks goodwithagun.


49 posted on 06/07/2013 7:09:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Safetgiver

I pee all over my yard at night in a helter skelter pattern. I even pee on it in winter but then I spell Mexican names and people think the neighbors did it....


50 posted on 06/07/2013 8:24:13 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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