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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 23 JUNE 7, 2013
Free Republic | June 7, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 06/07/2013 1:13:59 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; blackberries; food; gardening; growbags; hobby
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We are having a great day in Missouri. Sunshine not too hot, not too cold. Enjoying a salad every day from the garden. Only downside is no homegrown tomatoes yet.

I have managed to get 2 beds planted this week, Including Amaranth, Sunflowers, Peanuts, 4 varieties of musk melons. I have 1 bed left to plant. Then I'll be looking around for spaces to fill in and try out some more new stuff.

I read an article on fertilizers. One of the best is GRASS CLIPPINGS. A little dab will do ya- 1/2 to 1 inch used as mulch will help prevent weeds, conserve moisture, and provide the nutrients that most crops will need for the season. One of the cheapest and easiest sources for many people.

Hope everyone is doing well. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 06/07/2013 1:13:59 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

My garden has washed away. Three times so far this week. I can’t get out there to finish mulching it because I’ve got to fix all the washing away. And then it washes away again.

HOPEFULLY, this weekend, I’ll be able to catch up. Good thing we’ve got a long growing season, my peanuts washed away and there’s no telling where they’ll be sprouting. I’ve got to replant those this evening.


2 posted on 06/07/2013 1:15:35 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Looking like a cool summer here. We haven’t even hit 60 degrees today.


3 posted on 06/07/2013 1:16:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


4 posted on 06/07/2013 1:17:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: cripplecreek

We, believe it or not, haven’t hit 90 yet. And us in the 2nd week of june for all practical purposes.

And it’s rained. And rained. And rained. I’m afraid to complain about the rain for fear it won’t rain again until October. Which is a possibility here. HOWEVER, I can mulch and use soaker hoses and still get stuff to make. With it raining all the time nothing will make. It’ll all drown, wash away and get consumed by fungal funkiness. augh.


5 posted on 06/07/2013 1:18:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes; Marcella

Here’s the staple crops recommended for the Southern Interior States (Texas and non-gulf states east of Texas)

Cabbage: Early Flat Dutch, Winningstadt

Collards: Green Glaxe, Variegated

Dry Beans: Black Turtle, Debarika

Grain Corn: Neal’s Paymaster, Reid’s Yellow Dent

Kale: Red Russian, Vates

Peanuts: Carwile’s VA, Schronce’s Deep Black

Potatoes: Purple Viking, Red Pontiac

Sweet Potatoes: Covington, Jewel

Wheat: Red Lammas, aka “Red May”

Winter Squash: Tahitian Melon, Waltham Butternut


6 posted on 06/07/2013 1:25:23 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Marcella
Everything ticking over like it is supposed to be. Tobacco is getting gigantic. The sunflowers are taller than me now. I've got squash and tomatoes and NM peppers coming along nicely, but for some reason the jalapenos aren't really as far along as they should be. My early crop of onions are doing very well, as are the peanuts.

My first attempt at mushroom production isn't looking too good, but I did get some horse manure for the 2nd batch, and that should work much better.

Marco sent me some sesame seeds and those got planted this morning.

Cantaloupes are sending out runners amongst the tomato plants, which is good.

All in all, with the rain we had this week. I'm a happy camper, and grateful for how the garden is growing this year.

/johnny

7 posted on 06/07/2013 1:26:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
The ONLY bean for Texas is the pinto. ;)

/johnny

8 posted on 06/07/2013 1:27:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

I clipped some scapes off of the hardneck garlic and made the first batch of garlic scape soup for the season. We’ve been craving it since the tops if the garlic peaked through the soil in early spring. Tomatoes are chugging along but some of my hot pepper seedlings look a little iffy from the late frost and wind we were hit with a couple of weeks ago. This might have a negative effect on my husbands winter supply of hot pepper butter and jalapeño relish. Poor guy!


9 posted on 06/07/2013 1:30:22 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: greeneyes

I’ve got a sink and table full of stuff that needs to go in the ground, but there is this little gall called Andrea hanging around that caused me to decide to wait another few days before putting them in.

Coastal Virginia weather has been the pits this year so far.


10 posted on 06/07/2013 1:30:29 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Black Agnes

I had a bed that did that. We dug a trench around the bed and filled it with rock. Added some vermiculite, and peat to the soil, and put some of that cheap edging around it.

It helped with stopping the run off. Don’t know if it would help or be practical for your situation.

It’s so discouraging to have to keep replanting stuff and then shortly thereafter have it destroyed.


11 posted on 06/07/2013 1:30:52 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL. I forgot the disclaimer: These are according to the article in Mother Earth, It is their opinion, and the person posting the thread has no position regarding the veracity of the article or their recommendations.

Also, it is just the gulf area of the states that are not included in the Southern Interior east of Texas as well as the Texas Gulf Area.


12 posted on 06/07/2013 1:35:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: goodwithagun

Would you please post a Recipe for the Garlic Scape Soup?


13 posted on 06/07/2013 1:37:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
LOL! I'm close enough to Oklahoma to hit it with a cheap Scud missile, so I'm not on the gulf, but pintos are the way I go.

/johnny

14 posted on 06/07/2013 1:37:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gabz

Wise decision. The mid-west has been a little challenged this year too, but I am thankful for the rain.


15 posted on 06/07/2013 1:38:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Waaaaaa, my Shronce’s deep black are the peanuts that washed away. I’ve got some regular virginia peanuts to replace them with though.

I am going to reorder the black ones and save them for next year. Along with the Georganic.


16 posted on 06/07/2013 1:39:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: JRandomFreeper

yep, Pinto—State bean of Texas


17 posted on 06/07/2013 1:42:14 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Are you growing any pintos?


18 posted on 06/07/2013 1:43:00 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oklahoma is Southern Interior with an overlap of central midwest.

Pinto Beans are the main staple for our house, and I have enough stored to eat pinto beans for a year every day, so I wouldn’t argue.LOL

Next in line is navy beans, and great northern beans to cook with ham hock.

Now tell me where you get the pintos you plant in the garden.LOL


19 posted on 06/07/2013 1:43:32 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
Every year, without fail. I've got a pig-fence section that I grow them on. I can sometimes get 3 crops a year.

/johnny

20 posted on 06/07/2013 1:44:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
From a baggie marked 'Seed Stock - 2012'. I sort through my plants and save the best beans off of the best plants for the next year's planting.

My originals came from the grocery store.

/johnny

21 posted on 06/07/2013 1:46:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

Picked my 1st tomato last night, will soon be covered up with them, I hope. Probably will be harvesting okra in the next 2 weeks, already chasing people down to bless them with squash, and just started picking the green beans. I planted LOTS of black-eyed peas this year, as it is one of our favorites and freezes without much trouble. I just finished picking the rest of the onions, so may put more black-eyed peas there; it’s getting kinda late in the season for much else unless I hold that area for a fall garden.

I planted what I thought was 2 TAM jalapenos for my husband, but they seem to be Serrano peppers instead. One was fiery hot, others have decent flavor but no heat, and some have no heat OR flavor. Don’t know enough about them to know what to do.


22 posted on 06/07/2013 1:51:55 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you pick and cook any of your pintos while still young and in the pod, or only harvest and cook as mature pinto beans?


23 posted on 06/07/2013 1:54:27 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: JRandomFreeper

Now I think I remember earlier in the year you said you planted pintos from the grocery to start. And I think I decided to buy gobs of them at the grocery because they are cheap and because I don’t have enough room to grow enough of them. I was going to stick to Kentucky Wonders green beans on the back lattice fence.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 1:55:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: texas_mrs
I never catch them young enough in the pod that they aren't like shoe-leather. I only use them as dried. Beans are pretty much fire and forget for growing here.

/johnny

25 posted on 06/07/2013 1:56:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL. That’s my kind of supplier.


26 posted on 06/07/2013 1:56:53 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: texas_mrs

I am jealous of any one that has tomatoes.LOL

I think Hubby planted all the green beans I had on hand, so I have been planting peanuts instead. I like to plant beans in with other plants like corn, melons etc. Hope peanuts will be ok used that way too.


27 posted on 06/07/2013 2:00:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The county extension agent is the best source for local varieties, but nothing is carved in stone, no matter the source.


28 posted on 06/07/2013 2:03:30 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: greeneyes
Black oilseed has already sprouted. Rest of the garden, except the spinach & pattypan are doing well; those two didn't sprout: saved pattypan seed wasn't viable, and spinach mostly wasn't.

Yesterday, we got a call to come & pick up some iris. We had stopped & talked to the guy while he was working on his beds last fall; he promised us some when he lifted & divided. Wasn't expecting six tall white kitchen trash bags full! We let friends get 2 or 3 out of each bag...couldn't convince them to take more...then brought them home to plant. I put the middle buster plow on the tractor, and dug a trench for them, and about an hour after that, they were in the ground.

Also this week, we gout our 4 "Riverbank" grapes; 2 Nanking cherries; blue spruce; and honeylocust planted. The grapes & trees came from the Conservation Trees Program of the Farm Service Agency & Cooperative Extension; the bush cherries were commercial.

We have strawberries forming; and the apricots & Carmine Jewel cherry are positively loaded with fruit. First year we'll be able to pick.

 photo P6076609_zpsd6fb4801.jpg

The large shrubs are chokecherries and lilacs

29 posted on 06/07/2013 2:03:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: greeneyes

We’ve actually had too much rain. By April 1st we already had more rain than in all of either 2012 or 2011. There is no denying we need rain all year - but we need it spread out - not all at once!


30 posted on 06/07/2013 2:03:45 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Marcella

Two questions for ya;#1-How many cans per acre? and;#2-Do you open the cans before planting?
Pity my poor wife...this is what passes for humor around our house.


31 posted on 06/07/2013 2:04:43 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: greeneyes

The happiest plant on my place is my compost pile tomato volunteer. It’s got blooms and maybe a teeny baby mater on it. It’s on a hill with concrete blocks in front so things don’t wash out of the compost pile.

Everything else is unhappy and half drowned. I’m just glad I didn’t transplant it last week like I’d intended. It would have joined the ranks of the unhappy as well.


32 posted on 06/07/2013 2:07:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

Oh, yes; got those over ripe sweet cherries taken care of: 1 batch each of cherry syrup; spiced cherry syrup; cherry jelly; cherry-rhubarb-ginger jam. The chickens loved their share.

Yes; I washed and saved 30 seeds to stratify & sprout.


33 posted on 06/07/2013 2:11:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: greeneyes
Thanks to those of you who gave me potato information this week.

WHAT I DID THIS WEEK:

I want a spring and fall food garden in containers. I have a bunch of different sized fabric grow bags to fill with potting soil mix and place them on the ground in the garden. I did more study to determine which food plants to plant in the spring and fall. I got two large zip regular plastic bags (gallon size), and labeled one “Spring” and one “Fall” and put the seed packets I have now in the proper bag. The seed packets were all jumbled before I split them up. Then, I ordered a bunch of different heirloom veggie seed and one fruit packet from Terroir Seeds. They have been shipped. I still need to find blackberry seeds. Not all blackberry seeds are equal.

I planted Vardaman sweet potato roots (not seed), from Burpee, in a ten gallon fabric grow bag and put it in the garden. Covered it and two sets of plants growing in potting soil bags (think they are peppers) with bird net – (so long you dastardly squirrels and pecking birds). I’m not sure the peppers are going to have peppers – think I put too many in those sacks – they are just green plants growing upward maybe 5-6 inches tall now. I don’t know how tall they grow before they produce since I’ve never done this.

Yorkie, Prissy, saved a tomato plant!: She was looking out of the glass back door and started barking. When she does that, something is moving in the garden. Went to the glass door and there was a SQUIRREL IN A TOMATO POT – right in there with the plant that has green Roma tomatoes on it. I grabbed her and out we went to chase away the squirrel. She only weighs 5 lbs. but is a great guard dog to let me know if anything is moving out the front or back door. After dark, if she hears something outside, she has a growl and bark that says she will kill whatever that is. In the daytime, she has an alert bark if she sees something but after dark, she has that aggressive “I’ll kill them” bark.

WHAT I STILL NEED TO DO SHORTLY:

I have to plant the sesame flower seeds in a big pot in the garden and plant the mixed flower seed that attracts hummingbirds and bees. I sent Johnny some sesame flower seeds so he can have sesame seeds to eat in the fall. A storm came through here late yesterday afternoon and luckily I didn’t get the hail that was in that storm. So, it’s very wet in the garden and I’ll let it dry out today so it will be drier to walk on and plant the flower seeds tomorrow.

On the seed envelopes I have now and the ones I will be getting from Terroir shortly, I write the month I need to plant them. I don’t know those planting times like you real gardeners do. I now have guides that tell me what and when to plant in my growing zone, which is 8.

I’ll keep studying potatoes and find the right potato to grow here (your list had Red Pontiac and I have info. on that one from ApplegateRanch) and I’ll keep looking for blackberry seeds or plants to determine which one to get for this grow zone and when to plant them.

I’m looking at electric dehydrators to save some of this food (if I manage to grow it which has not been proven yet except for tomatoes). I read to use the dehydrated food within one year then dry more. I can do that but if TSHTF, I wouldn't have to power to use that dehydrator. I think I have to depend on staggering the planting so not all of it is ready at the same time. Then, there is the problem of where to store this dehydrated food if I do that. Now, we are into desiccants and jars or bags and/or buying a food saver sealer and their bags. That’s more money. Buy the dehydrator, buy the food sealer, buy their special bags. I just quit looking. I’ll deal with that if I actually grow enough food to do it.

UPDATE ON THE SQUASH PLANTS: These plants cannot be normal – they are now more enormous than last week. These are Zappallo de Tronco Squash. They are a small roundish flatish squash that first appeared in Mexico. I figured if they grew in Mexico, they could stand the Texas heat. Some squash flowers have bloomed and gone away and others are blooming. I hope I get squash. There has to be a squash plant I can grow that isn’t as large as the planet Mars.

34 posted on 06/07/2013 2:19:14 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: crazyhorse691

“How many cans per acre? and;#2-Do you open the cans before planting?”

Haha. For storing, I buy the dry beans. I do have some cans for a short time emergency and would go to the dry ones after that. Although I’m a beginning farmer, I don’t think I have enough cans to bury to make enough beans - ha.


35 posted on 06/07/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

This is one of my squash plants. Below it is the standard 3ft measure that you've seen before to give you some scale.

They get big. This one was put in the tobacco row, when I lost a tobacco plant early. You can see it's crowding out it's neighbor, one of the smaller tobacco plants. ;)

/johnny

36 posted on 06/07/2013 2:32:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rightly_dividing

I agree that the county extension office is an excellent source. However, our extension office advice doesn’t always include heirlooms for some of the categories.

I just thought the mother earth article was interesting, and last week asked if anyone was interested. I had a request for the Texas area, and so I posted it.


37 posted on 06/07/2013 2:32:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

FWIW it’s worth I’ve pruned really overzealous squash plants before. Done judiciously they don’t really miss those couple leaves and I didn’t notice a difference in output either.

Just my 2c.


38 posted on 06/07/2013 2:34:39 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: JRandomFreeper

Your squash plant is a pussy compared to mine.


39 posted on 06/07/2013 2:34:59 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What kind of squash is that?


40 posted on 06/07/2013 2:36:03 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella
Italian squash. AKA zucchini. It does have 2 little squash down in there that you can't see. They will be ready in a couple of days.

/johnny

41 posted on 06/07/2013 2:39:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes
If I hadn't gone out to take the picture I wouldn't have noticed it until tomorrow morning. And yes, it will get trimmed tomorrow AM.

/johnny

42 posted on 06/07/2013 2:41:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella; greeneyes
WE got 3 inches of rain plus pea to dime size hail, and LOTS of it. I did something I almost never do, I left a window about 4 inches down in the car, oops. I dried out the car afterward and used an air hose from my compressor to blow water out of the window controls on the door. No damage to flowers or crops that I could see. The lights flickered off just long enough to have to reset clocks, router, modem.

Picked some Early Girl maters, peppers doing good, so are the watermelons and cantaloupes. Other maters still getting even larger.

43 posted on 06/07/2013 2:41:55 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thanks for the picture. I love the fragrant lilac scent. My experiment this year has made me a believer in mushroom compost to grow spinach.

The problem is our local Walmart is out. Next year we’ll have to buy more.

Hubby will finish digging up the iris and transplanting this year. He is clearing out the backyard flower bed to plant blueberries and transplanting the bulbs to a new front yard patch.

We are pinching off most of the flowers this year on strawberries, since we have 2 new beds. I did plant some in pots to grow a few. This was a mis-communication. Hubby was supposed to plant the new beds before taking out the old bed.


44 posted on 06/07/2013 2:45:25 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Gabz

Ain’t it the truth! Growing your own food is a challenge. Just think, the pioneers and other ancestors had to do it to survive.


45 posted on 06/07/2013 2:47:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

My raised beds do pretty well, since they have a lot of Mel’s mix. It is almost impossible to oversaturate, and the wood keeps it all together instead of washing away.


46 posted on 06/07/2013 2:49:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Those all sound very yummy.


47 posted on 06/07/2013 2:50:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The soil in my bottom garden is great! Unfortunately it’s a bit difficult to put wood around it. It’s 75’X75’. LOL.


48 posted on 06/07/2013 2:51:19 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

“We are pinching off most of the flowers this year on strawberries, since we have 2 new beds.”

Tell me about why you are pinching off most of the flowers. Explain that to me.


49 posted on 06/07/2013 2:53:26 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: greeneyes

I haven’t been into any other county ext office, but ours has a big library of everything published, it seems, and has good recommendations on varieties and local suppliers, plus they have a huge sale in March that draws probably thousands of people with a bunch of LEO’s directing traffic to parking areas there and across the street at our Convention Center. I can walk in at any time and get great service with any kind of plant questions that I have, which is plenty. Sometimes, even get my questions answered by the teacher of the Master Gardener program if he is not busy with a class.


50 posted on 06/07/2013 2:58:40 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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