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French wine 'has Italian origins' [Etruscans]
BBC News ^ | Monday, June 3, 2013 | Jason Palmer

Posted on 06/08/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The earliest known examples of wine-making as we know it are in the regions of modern-day Iran, Georgia, and Armenia -- and researchers believe that modern winemaking slowly spread westward from there to Europe...

The Etruscans, a pre-Roman civilisation in Italy, are thought to have gained wine culture from the Phoenicians -- who spread throughout the Mediterranean from the early Iron Age onward -- because they used similarly shaped amphoras...

Dr McGovern's team focused on the coastal site of Lattara, near the town of Lattes south of Montpellier, where the importation of amphoras continued up until the period 525-475 BC.

They used a high-precision analytical tool called gas chromatography/mass spectrometry, which provides a list of the molecules absorbed into the pottery of the amphoras. The results showed that they did once contain wine -- as well as pine resin and herbal components.

But more surprising was the find of a wine-pressing platform, where grapes were ground and liquid drained off.

"In a walled town like this, it is unusual to find a wine press from an early period," Dr McGovern said. "Finding the chemical evidence for the press, that was a surprise."

The find is consistent with a pattern seen elsewhere -- that wine is introduced from abroad, but a local culture eventually seeks to transplant the grapes and grow their own, local wine industry.

"From there, [winemaking] spread up the Rhone River, the domesticated vine gets transplanted, it crosses with the wild grapes and all sorts of interesting cultivars develop -- those are the ones that spread around the world.

"Most of the wine we have today is from French cultivars, which ultimately derive from the Near-East cultivar via the Etruscans," he explained.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: agriculture; armenia; etruria; etruscan; etruscans; georgia; godsgravesglyphs; grapes; ionians; iran; italy; kreti; oenology; phoenicians; pleti; winemaking; zymurgy
Wine pressing platforms were usually found outside of towns, nearer the vineyards themselves

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1 posted on 06/08/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/08/2013 7:42:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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France gave rise to the grape varieties we know from all over the world

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3 posted on 06/08/2013 7:42:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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In one of the topics linked above, regarding King Tut's wines, it's noted that grape vine fossils have been found in 60 million year old strata.

Necessity is the mo-fo of reinvention.
4 posted on 06/08/2013 7:43:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


5 posted on 06/08/2013 7:44:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

6 posted on 06/08/2013 7:48:17 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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Renfield’s original find, appears to be open without subscription:

When Did the French Start Making Wine?
Wine Spectator Online
http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/48516

The AP version (can’t use):
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/taste/210464691.html

London Times (membership now required)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/letters/article3784426.ece


7 posted on 06/08/2013 7:52:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I am shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that the ancient Imperial province of Gaul continues to cultivate a key Roman cash-crop that it was made to produce since the salad days of Julius Caesar.
8 posted on 06/08/2013 7:56:26 AM PDT by Trentamj
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To: SunkenCiv
Of course, almost all European wine is partially American due to phylloxera and the need to graft European vines to American rootstock.

From wikipedia:

The use of resistant American rootstock to guard against phylloxera also brought about a debate that remains unsettled to this day: whether self-rooted vines produce better wine than those that are grafted. Of course, the argument is essentially irrelevant wherever phylloxera exists. Had American rootstock not been available and used, there would be no V. vinifera wine industry in Europe or most places other than Chile, Washington State, and most of Australia. Cyprus was spared the phylloxera plague, and thus its wine stock has not been grafted for phylloxera resistant purposes.

9 posted on 06/08/2013 7:59:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SunkenCiv
DNA studies have shown that the Etruscans are from Turkey.

Ancient Etruscans were immigrants from Anatolia, or what is now Turkey

10 posted on 06/08/2013 8:08:01 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

That’s right, and just as the ancient sources claimed.


11 posted on 06/08/2013 8:15:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Had American rootstock not been available and used...

Well, the phylloxera came from the Americas. With the advent of steam powered ships, the aphids managed to survive a trans-Atlantic voyage, instead of dying off, as they had in the much slower sailing vessels.

12 posted on 06/08/2013 8:47:49 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blam
Interesting article. Lydia was actually in western Anatolia, not southern Anatolia.

The presence of a language either the same or closely related to Etruscan on the island of Lemnos is a problem for the historians who want to accept to theory that the Etruscans were indigenous to Italy and had not immigrated from the Aegean area. The Lemnians could be colonists from Italy but that seems very improbable--the colonization we know of is mostly from east to west and I don't think there are any parallels of people from the western Mediterranean colonizing a place in the eastern Mediterranean (not until the Roman Empire, at least). Not only Herodotus but other Greek authors accept the idea of "Tyrrhenians" or "Tyrsenians" still being present in the Aegean area in historical times...which would be expected since not all of them would have emigrated to Tuscany.

Volterra is a beautiful place to visit and has one of the best Etruscan museums in existence, along with a gate in the city wall that dates from Etruscan times.

13 posted on 06/08/2013 9:06:57 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

The Etruscans really got around the Mediterranean.

While I was stationed at the Rota Naval Base on the Bay of Cadiz in southern Spain (U.S.Navy - 1980-1986), an Etruscan tomb was discovered by a farmer in the local community. Archaeologist came and looked at it, then reburied it to save for later excavations.


14 posted on 06/08/2013 11:09:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Stayed a few days in Volterra once. Agree. It’s a lovely town.


15 posted on 06/10/2013 4:51:09 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

So, it appears the Etruscans brought their vinestock from Anatolia?


16 posted on 06/10/2013 4:59:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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