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Some of Earth’s oldest water found
Pakistan Today ^ | May 20, 2013 | News Desk

Posted on 06/09/2013 7:06:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

"Old" might not top the list of the adjectives you'd use to describe water, but that could very well change after reading this story: Scientists say they've found water whose age clocks in at no less than 1.5 billion years, making it the oldest cache to have ever been discovered. (As the BBC explains, the only water to top it is "minute quantities" contained in some rock minerals.) Gold miners in Timmins, Ontario, were the ones who uncovered the water while drilling into bedrock; NPR reports that the team behind the discovery had been requesting such samples from a number of mines; a trio of dating techniques revealed this particular water to be remarkable -- between 1.5 billion and 2.6 billion years old. The BBC reports the water likely didn't begin its ancient life 1.5 miles beneath the surface: It would have seeped from above ground through the earth, eventually becoming trapped. As a geochemist involved in the study explains, "The fluids that we see now are actually preservations of ancient oceans." But that may not be the most interesting part: The water, which contains a good deal of hydrogen, could hold ancient life, too, and the scientists are currently testing samples to see if that's the case. And if it is, that could fuel hope that the same kind of life persists on Mars, which was once covered in oceans as well.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: canada; godsgravesglyphs; ontario

Some of Earth's oldest water found

1 posted on 06/09/2013 7:06:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 06/09/2013 7:08:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There was a “Northern Exposure” episode about something like this.

It did not end well.

:)


3 posted on 06/09/2013 7:09:43 AM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Comming to us soon at $199.95 a bottle.


4 posted on 06/09/2013 7:09:52 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SunkenCiv

Wouldn’t most of the water today have been formed at the same time when the hydrogen was initially oxidized?

What am I missing here?


5 posted on 06/09/2013 7:15:39 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: SunkenCiv

IBTHTP


6 posted on 06/09/2013 7:16:08 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SunkenCiv

This obviously proves life on mars. It also explains the price of eggs in China.


7 posted on 06/09/2013 7:17:54 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: SunkenCiv

How would one distinguish one particular molecule of H20 from another molecule of H2O?


8 posted on 06/09/2013 7:22:04 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: SunkenCiv

Something else for the islamics to p*ss in.


9 posted on 06/09/2013 7:26:08 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: SunkenCiv

Timmins, Ont., I wonder if thats why Shania Twain has a great voice.


10 posted on 06/09/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: SunkenCiv

This ancient water contains a great deal of hydrogen. (Otherwise it might be something else.)


11 posted on 06/09/2013 7:27:26 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: meadsjn
Different ratios of the isotopes of the oxygen molecules.

/johnny

12 posted on 06/09/2013 7:28:29 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: babygene

Since water moves, I would say that where it is, is not necessarily where it was.


13 posted on 06/09/2013 7:30:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BerryDingle
I wonder if thats why Shania Twain has a great voice

It might explain her torso.

14 posted on 06/09/2013 7:30:34 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: babygene
Water is broken down by plants, the hydrogen incorporated with carbon to make various plant compounds, and the O2 is released, to be recombined with hydrogen later, when plants are broken down by microorganisms.

/johnny

15 posted on 06/09/2013 7:30:53 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv

The oldest water in the world is in bottles on the bottom shelf at the local bodega.
How old is it? Who knows? The labels fell off before the present manager took over a couple of years ago.


16 posted on 06/09/2013 7:32:40 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: babygene

“Wouldn’t most of the water today have been formed at the same time when the hydrogen was initially oxidized?”

The answer is no, water molecules are constantly being destroyed and recreated by a wide variety of inorganic and organic chemical reactions. When the younger water molecules are recreated using younger isotopes of oxygen, the new water molecules acquire a younger isotopic signature. To retain the older isotopic signature, a water molecule must be isolated in an environment in which the molecule remains unchanged and retains the its original atoms.


17 posted on 06/09/2013 7:32:47 AM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: meadsjn

That’s the same question I ask about what separates CO2 man-made versus nature’s-made. Some unique marker attached? LOL


18 posted on 06/09/2013 7:34:13 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: SunkenCiv

Just add a couple of drops of that flavoring stuff and it will be fine.


19 posted on 06/09/2013 7:38:03 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SunkenCiv

A molecule of water can only have so much hydrogen in it. As I recall, 2:1 ratio with oxygen.

And what do the Pakistanies know about Canadian water anyhow?


20 posted on 06/09/2013 7:39:09 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Delta 21
A molecule of water can only have so much hydrogen in it. As I recall, 2:1 ratio with oxygen.

What about heavy water?

21 posted on 06/09/2013 7:44:00 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: smokingfrog; JRandomFreeper; WhiskeyX; babygene; meadsjn; Delta 21

Thanks smokingfrog, JRandomFreeper, and WhiskeyX.


22 posted on 06/09/2013 7:48:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: JimRed; Delta 21
Heavy water, formally called deuterium oxide or 2H2O or D2O, is a form of water that contains a larger than normal amount of the hydrogen isotope deuterium

23 posted on 06/09/2013 7:51:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The geologists agree with you, asserting that it represents ancient ocean water.


24 posted on 06/09/2013 8:01:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: babygene

I’m not sure how one dates water, but most of the water on earth is now believed to have come from comets which collide with earth on a regular, but diminishingly frequent, basis.


25 posted on 06/09/2013 8:03:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: babygene
What am I missing here?

Uhhh...let's see...well since CO2 is a greenhouse gas (even though greenhouses are made out of glass and it's an insulator) and the Earth is getting hotter by the second (although we're having the coolest spring in decades) car pollution and cows farting are destroying the water supply that normally gets regenerated every 6 months. So you have to stop drinking water that wasn't brewed a million years ago, besides, if you drink "older" water you're cooler than everyone else...like if you drive a hybrid!

26 posted on 06/09/2013 8:17:05 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“I’m not sure how one dates water[....]”

You date the age of the water molecules by counting the ratio of the Oxygen atoms with decayed isotopes of Oxygen versus less decayed isotopes of Oxygen. The older the Oxygen atom is the more likely it will contain a stable isotope of Oxygen. The younger water molecules are much more likely to be composed of Oxygen atoms which have not yet had enough time to decay from an unstable isotope of Oxygen to a stable isotope of Oxygen. By counting the ration of these isotopes of Oxygen, you can see the relative differences in the age of the Oxygen in the water molecules.


27 posted on 06/09/2013 8:24:11 AM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: babygene

I think that the reference here is that is has not been cycled through the atmosphere/oceans/ground for 1.5 billion years.

Now, what difference it makes escapes me.


28 posted on 06/09/2013 8:29:28 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Any qualification as old water can only be conjecture. In fact, it doesn’t even make sense. That would mean we can date every drop of water that exists.


29 posted on 06/09/2013 8:45:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv

How did that song go.

Younger women, older whiskey, faster horses and more money?

Or was it

Faster women, older money, more whiskey and younger horses?

Nothing about older water.


30 posted on 06/09/2013 8:48:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ouderkirk

Actually, it’s quite interesting. The sample provides an additional series of reference points by which many more measurements may be guaged. In other words, it is another piece of the grand puzzle which reveals more of the larger picture.


31 posted on 06/09/2013 9:14:11 AM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: meadsjn

Magic.


32 posted on 06/09/2013 11:35:01 AM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: meadsjn
How would one distinguish one particular molecule of H20 from another molecule of H2O?

I think they cut the individual atoms in half and count the rings.

33 posted on 06/09/2013 11:46:16 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: meyer

“How would one distinguish one particular molecule of H20 from another molecule of H2O?”

“I think they cut the individual atoms in half and count the rings.”

No, they simply measure the molecular weights. Atoms of a chemical element with different isotopes have different molecular weights, because the atoms have different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei. A sample of water of a certain volume must have a certain total molecular mass to be a pure sample of the same substance with the same mass/weight. A sample composed of a mixture of two different ages will have a total mass/weight that is an average of the two pure samples of different ages.


34 posted on 06/09/2013 12:43:44 PM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: BerryDingle

...I wonder if thats why Shania Twain has a great voice.

(((
Too bad she has a leftist brain.


35 posted on 06/09/2013 12:47:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Sacajaweau

Any qualification as old water can only be conjecture. In fact, it doesn’t even make sense. That would mean we can date every drop of water that exists.”

No, you would not be able to determine the age of an individual molecule of waterThe isotope of a single atom can bechanged by other nuclear events besides natural decay of the single atom’s isotope. You need a substantial number of the molecules and their atomic isotopes to demonstrate a pattern indicating decay due to age versus decay due to other nuclear events.


36 posted on 06/09/2013 12:50:25 PM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: WhiskeyX

My attempt at humor failed. :)


37 posted on 06/09/2013 2:09:33 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: gr8eman

38 posted on 06/09/2013 7:57:23 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Sacajaweau
Any qualification as old water can only be conjecture. In fact, it doesn’t even make sense. That would mean we can date every drop of water that exists.

The discoverers haven't decided to tell us exactly how they determined the age of their water.
However, they failed to compare it to the age of gigantic Lake Vostok in Antarctica, discovered relatively recently.

39 posted on 06/09/2013 9:08:54 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: babygene
"Wouldn’t most of the water today have been formed at the same time when the hydrogen was initially oxidized? What am I missing here?"

Exactly. they might mean it's water that hasn't seen sunlight in umpty-ump years, but it's the same age as all the rest of the water in the world.

40 posted on 06/09/2013 10:38:42 PM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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To: redhead

“tly. they might mean it’s water that hasn’t seen sunlight in umpty-ump years, but it’s the same age as all the rest of the water in the world.”

That statement is false nonsense, because water molecules are constantly being destroyed and created throughout every day. During the past 4.6 billion years much of the primordial water molecules have been destroyed and replaced with with newer water molecules created by the ongoing inorganic and organic chemical processes naturally occuring.


41 posted on 06/09/2013 11:39:46 PM PDT by WhiskeyX (The answer is very simple and easy to understand economics. The U.S. Treasury is printing vast)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s some old water man...


42 posted on 06/10/2013 3:22:15 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: SunkenCiv

Best part is that it gives you that special glow when you drink it.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 4:44:11 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Free Vulcan; mowowie

If they keep looking around, they should find the oldest car that runs on water, man.


44 posted on 06/11/2013 3:51:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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