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Shocking new theory about Elizabeth I unearthed in historic manuscripts
Daily Mail ^ | 10th June 2013 | Christopher Stevens

Posted on 06/10/2013 8:46:02 AM PDT by the scotsman

'The bones of Elizabeth I, Good Queen Bess, lie mingled with those of her sister, Bloody Mary, in a single tomb at Westminster Abbey.

But are they really royal remains — or evidence of the greatest conspiracy in English history?. If that is not the skeleton of Elizabeth Tudor, the past four centuries of British history have been founded on a lie.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: elizabeth; godsgravesglyphs; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 06/10/2013 8:46:02 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Wow!!


2 posted on 06/10/2013 8:54:16 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: the scotsman

No way. There was a huge scandal after King Henry died, that Elizabeth was pregnant by her stepfather, Thomas Seymour, the new husband of Henry’s last wife Catherine Parr.
Also, there was no privacy in those times especially for a royal. There were spies everywhere and there is no way that this secret could have been kept into adulthood. When she was stricken with smallpox, it surely would have been discovered. Since there was such a drama about her successor, had this been the case, Catherine Grey would have immediately been crowned as the new ruler of England, especially with the power of the Seymours behind her.


3 posted on 06/10/2013 8:59:08 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: the scotsman

I am your king!...................


4 posted on 06/10/2013 8:59:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: the scotsman

“Balls!” said the Queen. “If I had to (two) I’d be King!”

The King laughed because he had to (two)!


5 posted on 06/10/2013 8:59:19 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: the scotsman

Bah! We have a President who claims to be [ ]...


6 posted on 06/10/2013 9:03:58 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: the scotsman

OK, ‘enry didn’t recognize his own daughter.
The earls of Leister and Essex, and Sir Walter Raleigh, and other swains were all boning a man.
I’ll buy that for quid.


7 posted on 06/10/2013 9:03:59 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: the scotsman

Even as she said —

“...even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too...”


8 posted on 06/10/2013 9:05:19 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: the scotsman

Interesting. I guess it’s all fanciful conjecture until they open up the crypt.


9 posted on 06/10/2013 9:06:31 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


10 posted on 06/10/2013 9:09:09 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: edwinland

Even if a hoax, the blood line was restored with James.


11 posted on 06/10/2013 9:10:13 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: the scotsman

Another attempt by the LGBT crossdresser community to embed themselves in history. The revisionist stuff they teach in school now.


12 posted on 06/10/2013 9:10:49 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: the scotsman

Possibly the most stupid historical theory I’ve ever heard.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 9:13:00 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: the scotsman
I refuse to believe a word of this.Queenie is alive and well and playing an IRA terrorist in "The Crying Game".


14 posted on 06/10/2013 9:14:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: the scotsman

Lol! We’re supposed to believe that the most powerful monarch in the world, observed every second for the slightest mistake, could somehow pass as a member of the opposite sex for half a century???

This is nothing more than a morbid justification to open Elizabeth’s tomb and poke around in her mortal remains. And it’s motivated more by ghoulishness and sensationalism than any interest in historical truth.


15 posted on 06/10/2013 9:16:04 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: the scotsman

Transgender organizations getting pretty jazzed about this. Women’s organizations? Not so much.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 9:18:12 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: the scotsman

What? Cate Blanchett is a guy?


17 posted on 06/10/2013 9:19:07 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Second American Revolution)
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To: ottbmare
Possibly the most stupid historical theory I’ve ever heard.

Well, that's just because I haven't got started yet. My narrative includes zombies. And Sir Francis Drake on a motorcycle.

18 posted on 06/10/2013 9:20:54 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

A steam-powered motorcycle, right?


19 posted on 06/10/2013 9:23:52 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: the scotsman

So Elizabeth was a male and one of the Pope’s was a female.

Such tales have amused the populace for decades, centuries.


20 posted on 06/10/2013 9:25:52 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: the scotsman
So maybe even Lord Blackadder was fooled?
Let's open that box.
21 posted on 06/10/2013 9:25:57 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. This is not the post you are looking for ....move along now....)
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To: the scotsman

The artist seems to show what appears to be beard shadow. If so, you have to wonder how the queen or her handlers let this happen.

22 posted on 06/10/2013 9:26:02 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: the scotsman

There are many theories. I watched a BBC documentary on them. One is that Elizabeth was a man with undescended male parts another was that she had both male and female parts.


23 posted on 06/10/2013 9:28:13 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: ottbmare
Possibly the most stupid historical theory I’ve ever heard.

Agree. A player like Elizabeth would have made it her business to bump off the governess, the guardian, and anyone else who knew of such a switch, or who could identify the true princess. We are asked to believe instead that they thought themselves safe? Ha!

I'd much rather know a little more about Mr. Shakespeare, if we're to be digging up celebrities.

24 posted on 06/10/2013 9:28:25 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: the scotsman

I’m surprised her “ladies in waiting” never noticed.

This is stupidity.


25 posted on 06/10/2013 9:30:22 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: the scotsman

Alba gu brath!


26 posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:43 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: the scotsman

Entertaining story.

Wouldnt half sister princess Mary have an interest in this?


27 posted on 06/10/2013 9:32:25 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ryan71
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28 posted on 06/10/2013 9:33:35 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: the scotsman

Mary, Queen of Scots should have pants-ed her in court.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 9:33:47 AM PDT by RedMDer (You are Free Republic. There are no outside influences. Just us, all of us. Please donate today!)
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To: the scotsman

Ann Bolyen, Elizabeth’s mother did have a boy after her but he is suppose to have died at birth...


30 posted on 06/10/2013 9:46:20 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: pfflier

Exactly. Everyone of note was or is a secret queer.


31 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:01 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: patriot08

LOL!


32 posted on 06/10/2013 9:52:54 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Where’s the alien guy?


33 posted on 06/10/2013 10:14:12 AM PDT by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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To: the scotsman

I don’t think I’ve ever come across a conspiracy theory about anything that I believed. This one sounds like the next Da Vinci Code.


34 posted on 06/10/2013 10:17:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: the scotsman

bump for later


35 posted on 06/10/2013 10:20:57 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Billthedrill

That sounds pretty good but not as good as Lincoln as a vampire killer.


36 posted on 06/10/2013 10:26:13 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: the scotsman

And none of the ladies of the bedchamber noticed the Queen had a 5 o’clock shadow and was shaving?


37 posted on 06/10/2013 10:47:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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And none of the ladies of the bedchamber noticed the Queen had a 5 o’clock shadow and was shaving?


Maybe that explains the thick white makeup?


38 posted on 06/10/2013 11:12:19 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: the scotsman

Of all the actresses who have portrayed QEI, my favorite is Glenda Jackson.


39 posted on 06/10/2013 11:22:30 AM PDT by randita
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To: randita
Glenda Jackson - Elizabeth R
40 posted on 06/10/2013 11:25:15 AM PDT by randita
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To: satan

LOL!

Note to self....get a Photobucket account...


41 posted on 06/10/2013 11:32:16 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: colorado tanker
And none of the ladies of the bedchamber noticed the Queen had a 5 o’clock shadow and was shaving?

Or the Adam's apple, or a deep voice or chest hair?

42 posted on 06/10/2013 11:52:30 AM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta

Good point. A guy wanting to be a girl couldn’t get surgery for that in the 16th Century.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 1:56:11 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: nickcarraway; martin_fierro; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

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Thanks the scotsman.

If this is about the Biseley Boy, the story appeared in National Geographic over 35 years ago.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


44 posted on 06/10/2013 7:28:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Thanks Fractal Trader!


45 posted on 06/10/2013 7:45:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: chae
"There were spies everywhere and there is no way that this secret could have been kept"

You're absolutely right, and I highly doubt that chief spy master Francis Walsingham would have looked the other way on this.

46 posted on 06/10/2013 9:10:39 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I noticed the apparent beard shadow in that painting as well, but some light-colored oil paints become more translucent with time. That could be simply underpainting showing through.


47 posted on 06/11/2013 12:41:22 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: the scotsman

Of all the rotal familes who ruled England, the Tudors were the vilest.


48 posted on 06/11/2013 6:33:19 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: patriot08

Now that’s funny.


49 posted on 06/11/2013 8:09:22 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ZULU

Well, they WERE Welsh.....


50 posted on 06/11/2013 8:25:28 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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