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PHOTO - 1917: Soldier in Black and White Camouflage
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Posted on 06/10/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

1917: Soldier in black and white camoflage

“Soldier in black and white uniform to conceal him while climbing trees. He stands in front of a house camouflaged to represent a fence and trees. Company F, 24th Engineers. American University, D.C. Army Engineer Corps..”

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: army; armycorpsofengineers; camouflage; invisibleman; modernhistory; soldier; usace; usarmy; warfare; zebra
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Zebra

Copycat.

1 posted on 06/10/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

GAH! He looks like a Klan member that got a hold of some black duct tape.


2 posted on 06/10/2013 7:43:52 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: DogByte6RER

Wow amazing, where is he I can’t see him at all.


3 posted on 06/10/2013 7:43:57 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: DogByte6RER

Where?


4 posted on 06/10/2013 7:44:11 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: DogByte6RER

It isn’t working...


5 posted on 06/10/2013 7:44:14 PM PDT by madison10
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To: DogByte6RER
Now I know what inspired Plan 9 From Outer Space.
6 posted on 06/10/2013 7:48:02 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: DogByte6RER

7 posted on 06/10/2013 7:48:40 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: DogByte6RER

How Not to be Seen


8 posted on 06/10/2013 7:49:18 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
plan 9 from outer space photo: Plan 9 From Outer Space plan9_2.gif The BEST worst movie ever produced
9 posted on 06/10/2013 7:51:00 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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10 posted on 06/10/2013 7:51:20 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Flag_This

Monty Python.


11 posted on 06/10/2013 7:52:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DogByte6RER
Interesting.

I was watching the Army-Navy game a few years back and just as they were starting the game they showed a long shot from the side of one end field and it looked like about a third of the stadium was empty. Then, they panned in and there were people seated there, all wearing camouflage.

That was a pretty stunning view.

12 posted on 06/10/2013 7:54:33 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Flag_This
Here is the image without camouflage.


13 posted on 06/10/2013 7:54:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DogByte6RER

Doppler effect gone awry.


14 posted on 06/10/2013 7:59:49 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: DogByte6RER

Exactly. If I saw him up in a tree, I wouldn’t recognize that he was a human being because of all the zebras in the trees.


15 posted on 06/10/2013 8:01:23 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m an acquaintance of Conrad Brooks, perhaps the last living member of the cast (he was sick the past few years so he hasn’t been to most “Sci Fi-memorabilia” shows.

However, he has stories to tell about how Plan 9 was really made, as well as what a cool wacko Ed Wood was in person.

Hey, Conrad. If you’re still around, “Vince” says hello.

Have a good photo of him and Linda Harrison (Nova, Planet of the Apes), and then one of Conrad, myself and Paul LeMat (American Graffitti) together. That was fun.

We’re losing our old Hollywood characters and getting Justin Bieber today. That’s not a fair exchange.


16 posted on 06/10/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DogByte6RER

Easy to make jokes but this may have been very effective.

The human eyes do not see everything, the mind fills in the blanks by what it knows. If you break up the shape where the mind does not recognize it as a human, you will not see him.

If this was on the western front, the only trees around would be burnt out stumps. Black and white would blend in with this environment


17 posted on 06/10/2013 8:15:25 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Chode

I have no idea if that paint job really hides that ship but it sure is interesting. It does break up the outline making it difficult to tell what type ship it is.


18 posted on 06/10/2013 8:20:51 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: DogByte6RER
How not to be seen
19 posted on 06/10/2013 8:22:39 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Chode
That type of camouflage isn't trying to keep the ship from being seen. It is trying to screw with the optical range finding and speed prediction. It doesn't help you to see the ship if you can't tell whether it is at 8000 yards or 6000 yards and whether it is headed towards or away from you.

Once radar was common the ships went back to haze gray again.

20 posted on 06/10/2013 8:23:28 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: UCANSEE2

You know, there’s just nothing on today that is remotely as good as Monty Python was.


21 posted on 06/10/2013 8:26:15 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Theoria

Thats Awesome!

Cut some Eye slits and its your basic Muslim, Capitalist wedding dress.


22 posted on 06/10/2013 8:31:57 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: KarlInOhio
That type of camouflage isn't trying to keep the ship from being seen. It is trying to screw with the optical range finding and speed prediction. It doesn't help you to see the ship if you can't tell whether it is at 8000 yards or 6000 yards and whether it is headed towards or away from you. Once radar was common the ships went back to haze gray again.

Thanks for that explanation, I knew there was some intelligence to it as there usually is with things like this that puzzle us, but I didn't know what it was.

23 posted on 06/10/2013 8:41:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: DogByte6RER
The Scots were a head of their time: Ghillie suit
The name was derived from gille, the Scottish Gaelic for "servant" or a "lad". In English, this term was especially used to refer to those assisting in deer hunting, deer stalking or fly fishing expeditions in the Scottish Highlands.

The ghillie suit was developed by Scottish gamekeepers as a portable hunting blind. Lovat Scouts, a Scottish Highland regiment formed by the British Army during the Second Boer War, is the first known military unit to use ghillie suits.

24 posted on 06/10/2013 8:43:18 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: DogByte6RER
PHOTO - 1917: Soldier in Black and White Camouflage

Logical, the world was black and white then. The world didn't turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color at first.

25 posted on 06/10/2013 8:46:04 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("New Yorks Finest" are now "The Untouchables")
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To: Chode

Did they christen that ship migraine Fortification?


26 posted on 06/10/2013 8:48:00 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Lisa Marie in the Ed Wood music video — sexiest dance EVER!


27 posted on 06/10/2013 8:55:25 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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28 posted on 06/10/2013 9:00:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein)
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To: PA Engineer

I sometimes get what my Dr. calls “ocular migraines” and they do sort of look like that except with purple and yellow and somewhat semi-circular.

Fortunately I do not get headaches with them.


29 posted on 06/10/2013 9:00:04 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Logical, the world was black and white then. The world didn't turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color at first.

But why are old paintings in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn't artists have painted it that way?

30 posted on 06/10/2013 9:12:18 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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“optical range finding”

Cool - thanks! I had an old optical range finder where you would look at something (a tree) and see two of them (stereo) and turn the dials until you saw just one, and then look at the distance on the dial.

Was the optical range finding in WWI a similar thing?


31 posted on 06/10/2013 9:13:15 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: KarlInOhio
But why are old paintings in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn't artists have painted it that way?

Not necessarily, a lot of great artists were insane.

32 posted on 06/10/2013 9:16:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("New Yorks Finest" are now "The Untouchables")
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To: 21twelve

Yes they work just like the rangefinders on old cameras except their base is far wider giving them greater accuracy.

I saw one at a gun show not too long ago. It was maybe 4 feet between lenses and had a nice clear image. I have no idea how much they are worth but this guy wanted about $500 for his.

I didn’t have $500 so I tried trading him all kind of things, giving him better than $500 value but I guess he wanted cash.

I have read that they can be very accurate.


33 posted on 06/10/2013 9:24:43 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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Fortunately I do not get headaches with them.

I found if I take 800mg of ibuprofen during the fortification phase I can preempt most of the headache.

I had a Pavlovian reaction to that picture.
34 posted on 06/10/2013 9:24:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: KarlInOhio

~~~But why are old paintings in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn’t artists have painted it that way?~~~

Silly goose. That’s because the artists only had color paints and black and white weren’t available, because of the Depression, when FDR went on TV and explained the Stock Market Crash (hat tip to genius historian Joe Biden).

Now, on to Obama-economics. You kill jobs, tax businesses insanely, spend trillions of dollars, turn “health care” into a tax and then “balance the budget”.

See? Easy-peasy.


35 posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: DogByte6RER

They used to camouflage ships that way, too. It’s called “razzle painting” and it confuses the eye of the person targeting them, because it makes it harder to tell their direction and speed when they’re moving.

The effect works for clothing, too. In cover, it’s also much tougher to pick up the outline of a target.

Breaking up the outline of the target and confusing the eye of the predator is how it helps zebras survive out in the open.


36 posted on 06/10/2013 9:33:23 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; KarlInOhio

you guys are good, that was one of the greatest bits ever.


37 posted on 06/10/2013 9:43:55 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Stingray
"Breaking up the outline of the target and confusing the eye of the predator is how it helps zebras survive out in the open"

Ah, CPO shirts from the 70's


38 posted on 06/10/2013 9:46:23 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: DogByte6RER
He's doing it all wrong!


39 posted on 06/10/2013 10:33:17 PM PDT by 444Flyer
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LOL

I was thinking “Here Kitty, Kitty”.

Like a Bengal Tiger.


40 posted on 06/10/2013 10:33:21 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DogByte6RER

Tor Johnson was even better in the The Beast of Yucca Flats.


41 posted on 06/10/2013 11:03:37 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: DogByte6RER

That’s to trick people into thinking he’s a panda bear up in the tree.


42 posted on 06/10/2013 11:06:00 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: yarddog
they called it Dazzle
43 posted on 06/11/2013 4:44:30 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: KarlInOhio
yup...
44 posted on 06/11/2013 4:47:09 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: PA Engineer
LOL... could have, looks like one
45 posted on 06/11/2013 4:48:19 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yarddog
i get them too and they are called Scintillating Scotoma, AKA ocular/optical migraines and also like you, THANK GOD, i don't get headaches with them
46 posted on 06/11/2013 4:52:10 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yarddog

That ships camo scheme is designed to make determining the “angle of the bow” hard to tell when viewed from a periscope.


47 posted on 06/11/2013 4:53:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Chode

There are actually tutorials on the internet showing how to apply Dazzle techniques to makeup, to avoid facial recognition technology. Everything old is new again....


48 posted on 06/11/2013 5:13:39 AM PDT by Eepsy
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49 posted on 06/11/2013 5:28:25 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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World War II photo of camo destroyer...USS Ault DD 698. I served on her in the 1960's. (She was haze gray then)
50 posted on 06/11/2013 5:39:58 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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