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$27,500 smartgun can hit a target over 1,000 yards away
dailycaller.com ^ | 6-12-2013 | Kate Grise

Posted on 06/12/2013 4:43:47 AM PDT by servo1969

Now everyone can shoot like a trained marksman. For a price.

A Texas-based applied technology firm has launched new smartgun technology that gives novice shooters the chance to participate in “extreme distance hunting.”

TrackingPoint’s new precision guided firearm technology, XactSystem, allows the shooter to lock onto a target before allowing the gun to fire upon the intended target, much like a fighter jet’s “lock-and-launch” technology.

And the firearm can consistently hit a target from over 1,000 yards away, the maker says.

“Think of it like a smart rifle. You have a smart car; you got a smartphone; well, now we have a smart rifle,” CEO Jason Schauble told CNNMoney.

The rifles fitted with the XactSystem technology can accurately shoot from over 1,000 yards, and TrackingPoint claims the company record is shooting a South African wildebeest at 1,103 yards.

The system and bolt-action rifles run from $22,500 to $27,500.

The rifles are WiFi equipped to allow the shooter to record their shot and immediately send it to a tablet or smartphone to view and upload to social media sites.

Schauble told CNN Money this is the first technology of its kind, even within the military, and that his company is planning on selling 500 TrackingPoint rifles this year, mainly to clients who want to hunt big game from long ranges.

With the technology, the shooter “tags” a target using a red button on the trigger guard. After the tag is set, the shooter aims the gun and holds down the trigger. Once the tag and the crosshairs of the scope line up, the gun fires.

“There are a number of people who say the gun shoots itself,” Schauble said. “It doesn’t. The shooter is always in the loop.”

The network tracking scope’s technology takes environmental factors, such as temperature, wind speeds, and gravity, into account to ensure a clean shot.

Some in the security sector, however, have reservations about the long-range rifle.

“There are a handful of snipers who can hit a target at 1,000 yards. But now, anybody can do it,” Rommel Dionisio, a gun industry analyst for Wedbush Securities told CNN Money. “You can put some tremendous capability in the hands of just about anybody, even an untrained shooter.”


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Science; Sports
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; smartgun; texas; trackingpoint
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1 posted on 06/12/2013 4:43:48 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Note that it doesn’t “guide” the projectile. If the target moves, the shot is wasted.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 4:46:38 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: servo1969

This video bothers me. I see a lot of gut shots. That’s really crappy shot placement. Simply hitting a standing animal anywhere on its body isn’t that wonderful. You’re supposed to try and take it down fast. Aren’t you? Did I miss some aspect of hunting along the way?


3 posted on 06/12/2013 4:53:17 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: rarestia

> Note that it doesn’t “guide” the projectile. If the target moves, the shot is wasted.

Not yet anyway. As soon as 0’s DARPA figures out how to manufacture mini missiles with guidance systems that can be fired from a gun we’re screwed. I’m sure they’ve already thought of it.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 4:53:21 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: servo1969

Bookmark


5 posted on 06/12/2013 4:53:55 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: servo1969
I hunt. I wait for days for a buck to come into view, then I rely on my shooting skills, my lever action Marlin or my sporterized ‘03(bought it that way...I would never ruin a classic like the ‘03 springfield). Or any number of weapons I possess.
I would call what is in the video, killing or shooting and not hunting....but hey, that's just me.

I do hope that our boys in the sandbox have this technology. as war is not a sport, having more precision snipers out there, that are on our side can only be a bonus.

6 posted on 06/12/2013 4:58:51 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: jsanders2001

Fire and Forget?


7 posted on 06/12/2013 5:03:05 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: servo1969

Oh boy, Swinestein and Schmucky aren’t going to like this. At all.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 5:03:38 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: servo1969
Great gun. Actually great system, since it is more of a system than a gun, with the gun part being the most basic aspect of a much larger union of equipment.

I do wonder however if there is a difference between hunting game and shooting game. I don't see the skill involved here ...no tracking, no stalking, no baited breath before taking a shot. All that is required here is US$30,000 and the ability to hold a trigger while a computer does everything else for you.

Yes, I also don't think canned hunts are hunts.

Anyways, as for the gun that is one absolute master-piece of a weapon. Although I am certain it will be quickly banned in the US. If Libs were getting fits over the Barrett .50 cal imagine the epileptic fits over this system. :)

9 posted on 06/12/2013 5:05:32 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: servo1969

I hope that “hunter” doesn’t brag about his long range shots. Elements of marksmanship like breathing, trigger pull and pulse awareness are removed from the equation.


10 posted on 06/12/2013 5:08:51 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: servo1969

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/M56_Smartgun

“LET’S ROCK!!”


11 posted on 06/12/2013 5:09:40 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: Vaquero
Exactly. Totally agree. There is hunting, and then there is shooting. One is sportsmanly and requires/hones skill, while the other is equivalent to playing a video game. One has the game having a fighting chance (for example, if you are not careful about wind direction, or you walk like a pregnant hippo, the animal will flee), while the other is like killing an ant with a magnifying glass. Hunting requires skills, while shooting only requires a weapon. In South Africa they will let you shoot a caged lion for a price, and you can then brag how you tracked down the beast.

Anyways, this is perfect for the military, as well as patriots and assassins alike. But it is definitely not a hunting system, even though it shoots very well.

12 posted on 06/12/2013 5:10:51 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: servo1969

.50 BMG for a Kudu. Seems a bit much.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 5:13:51 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: servo1969
My husband and I hunted with a guide in Canada who had a huge gun he named Milamore. He named it that because he could hit his target from a mile or more away. Saw him do it.
14 posted on 06/12/2013 5:17:02 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Thane_Banquo
.50 BMG for a Kudu. Seems a bit much.

But under powered for a Limo.

15 posted on 06/12/2013 5:18:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: servo1969

45-55 years ago I read an article in an outdoor sporting magazine. The guy had a shotgun that would not fire if it wasn’t on target. Other guys went hunting with him, and he let them borrow his shotgun. Some commented about the trigger pull was so easy and smoothe, while others complained about how hard the trigger pull was. I would never say not to put this new gun on the market, but I would never hunt with one, nor would I hunt with someone who was using one.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 5:20:10 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: servo1969

We can already give today’s award for Journalistic Malpractice for the headline and the first sentence. The company has already said that they won’t sell it to “civilians”.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 5:21:50 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: rarestia
If the target moves, the shot is wasted.

At 1,000 yards and a .338 Lapua Magnum, or the .300 Win Mag, he has less than a second to move. And the sound of the shot won't get there until 2 seconds later.

18 posted on 06/12/2013 5:23:31 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: spetznaz

If hunting were truly fair as your idea goes, the game would be packing too. :)


19 posted on 06/12/2013 5:24:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: servo1969
It isn't that hard to put a 1000 meter gun together for just under $1000 today.The Chinese are selling good scopes for 200 - 400, there's that Savage heavy barreled rifle in 270 WSM caliber and the Barnes 140gr all copper bullets with a huge ballistic coefficient.

270 WSM ammo can easily be loaded to shoot at 3400 fps or thereabouts and it isn't that hard to get mil-dot values out to 1000 meters for something like that. You can get ballpark mil-dot distances simply by doing retrocalculations with a decent ballistics program.

20 posted on 06/12/2013 5:27:08 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: servo1969

World War one and two soldiers had to qualify at 1000 yards with a 1903 Springfield with open sights.


21 posted on 06/12/2013 5:27:15 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Gaffer

The game has a lot going for it that man doesn’t have. Eye sight, superior hearing and natural camo. Just because you’ve got a gun................ :(


22 posted on 06/12/2013 5:28:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: rarestia

Goose hunting will never be the same.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 5:32:15 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Vaquero

I’m with you Vaquero...they can call it whatever they want, but hunting it is not.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 5:46:40 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: servo1969

Given the recent network intrusion scandals by our Government, I am not sure that a “Wi-Fi equipped gun” is such a great idea...


25 posted on 06/12/2013 5:56:21 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

50 BMG for a Kudu. Seems a bit much.

I already said that this wasn’t hunting, but shooting...

and agree that the 50BMG is way too much at normal ranges....but considering its flat shooting capabilities at thousands of yards, it is appropriate.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 5:57:17 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: varmintman
It isn't that hard to put a 1000 meter gun together for just under $1000 today

That's about right. It really boils down to how much you want to spend on the scope. I am looking to build a 1000 meter rifle later this year. I am thinking about buying a used .300 Win Mag long action Remington 700, put a new barrel with a compensator on it and a tactical stock. Then the real expense is the scope. The total package will be over $1000, but it isn't exactly a varmint rifle, it is closer to a poor man's M24.

27 posted on 06/12/2013 5:59:34 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: servo1969

“And the firearm can consistently hit a target from over 1,000 yards away.”

We do this all the time in Texas and the West.

With Blackpowder.

Google “One mile shooting with black powder”.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 6:09:02 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Vaquero; Thane_Banquo

Where do you see 50 BMG?

TrackingPoint Precision Guided Firearms appears to be offered only in .338 Lapua and .300 Win Mag.

http://tracking-point.com/precision-guided-firearms


29 posted on 06/12/2013 6:09:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: spetznaz

If you’re going to use this weapon system for contract-type killing, you will have to disable, if possible, all the smart capabilities that would record the particulars of your firings internally and, I suspect, eventually report them to the manufacturer and thus to grid. Date, time, gps location, bearing, range, scope video, etc.


30 posted on 06/12/2013 6:17:31 AM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: thackney

One second could mean the different between killing and maiming when you’re talking about hunting game. As an ethical hunter, I will never take a shot I know will maim, and up to this point in my life, every kill I’ve ever made was instant. I’ve only ever had to track a boar, and that kill was made with a bow.

If you’re talking about a human being, that 1 second could mean the difference between killing a combatant or alerting him/her. You maim a Taliban fighter, they’re going to continue to fire that SAW unless you sever their shooting arm.

Also, how about moving targets? That sort of ballistic magic doesn’t exist except in the mind of a trained sniper.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 6:27:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

every kill I’ve ever made was instant

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So what is the longest shot you take and with what weapon?


32 posted on 06/12/2013 6:30:50 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: servo1969

when they can match the sniper distance record let me know


33 posted on 06/12/2013 6:32:24 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: thackney

125 m with iron sights on a Mauser (8 mm) was my longest. Most are under 50 m with a scoped .300 Win Mag. I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m saying it’s not practical.


34 posted on 06/12/2013 6:36:55 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

If I understand correctly, your concern is not with this automated weapon system, it is with the distance of the shot.


35 posted on 06/12/2013 6:41:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I’m not concerned. I’m just stating my opinion on the tech. I said that this doesn’t make the bullet track, it just automates the point of aim. It’s cool tech, but in my opinion, it’s not sporting for hunting. Sitting in a tree stand in 20 degree weather trying to keep your fingers warm is part of the allure of the sport to me. That’s the “hunt.” Using .338 Lapua to take a buck at 1000 yards, while impressive, isn’t practical or ethical.

Again, all my opinion.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 6:45:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: servo1969
... TrackingPoint claims the company record is shooting a South African wildebeest at 1,103 yards.

There are guys who can hit a prairie dog at 1000 yards without this system.

37 posted on 06/12/2013 6:46:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: buffaloguy

I do it consistently with my M4 and .300 WinMag.


38 posted on 06/12/2013 6:52:45 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: rarestia
I’m just stating my opinion on the tech.

I don't see how what you expressed is different using this tech or using a highly skilled marksman. All this tech is controls the release timing and elevation. It still is the same lack of control after the firing. The shooter in either case has the ability to wait to shoot if it appears a target is moving or about to move.

This type of shooting isn't my thing either, but our military does have need to do this type of shooting. This tech may bring more successful missions due to allowing more shooters be capable of those shots. The guys with more money than sense, help fund this technology. I like that over pure taxpayer funding for the development.

39 posted on 06/12/2013 6:56:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Meh. We’re on the same page, thack, but I’m old fashioned when it comes to shooting. My uncles, both USMC snipers in VN, taught me how to shoot. It takes patience, practice, and intelligence to make a long shot kill. It’s completely unnatural to look down the barrel of a gun and see sky when shooting at something on a hilltop 300 m away, but when you make that shot, see that plume of red fly up in the air, and watch that buck drop like a sack of hammers, there’s something incredibly satisfying to know you took that animal humanely and with the skill that many don’t have or want.


40 posted on 06/12/2013 6:59:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Ditter

***who had a huge gun he named Milamore.***

Reminds me of the bird that lives in the swamps of Louisiana.


41 posted on 06/12/2013 7:06:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: servo1969

This is NOT hunting, but target practice.

Unethical shot placement regardless of stating what is ethical in stone age Africa.


42 posted on 06/12/2013 7:21:28 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: servo1969; All
Swiss K31 at 1,050 yards - iron sights

With barrels made by Hammerli or SIG and maintained in accordance with Swiss military training, these rifles are absolutely capable of serious long-range accuracy as issued.

43 posted on 06/12/2013 7:33:01 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Gaffer
If hunting were truly fair as your idea goes, the game would be packing too. :)

Fair doesn't necessarily have to mean equal. Even the Maasai adulthood ceremonies, which involved lion hunting with a spear, wasn't fair - there was more than one Maasai but only one lion. However, it is about whether it is sporting.

Now, let's take big game hunting. Two weeks ago I was at a park in Mt Kenya, where I took a guided walk through the thickets along pathways that were created by cape buffalo (one of the meaner critters one can come across), and with the trails leading to a waterhole. There were elephants in the area, said buffalo, and leopards. My guide was fortunately armed with a G3. Interesting thing is that we never came across any large game - apparently they heard us approaching and left, but at night, in the safety of the lodge, we saw many of them. Now, imagining the days of yore when people would hunt big game, following a wounded cape buffalo into the thicket was often a fatal adventure (they have a habit of circling around you). Same can be said about following a wounded leopard, which was arguably one of the more dangerous things that could be done at night. My simple two hour walk had my blood pumping and senses strained trying to locate even the smallest movement or hear the slightest sound ...I can only imagine what it would be if I was following the bloody spoor of some beast. That is hunting.

Let's go down a bit. 'Normal' hunting. Say you take your rifle (or bow or large handgun) and are out for boar (or deer, etc). You are tracking the deer. Maybe calling out for them. Hours pass. You are tracking them, before spotting a good stag. Then, all that boils down to one moment where your shot better be true. That is hunting.

Let's go down even further. You have your shotgun and you are out for geese or quail. Maybe you have a fowler's dog for the quail. Maybe you are simply just mucking about in the marsh with a duck whistle. The birds fly, you take a lead, and pull the trigger. Skill is involved, since if your lead is off, even with shot, you will miss. That is hunting.

What is not hunting?

Well, there are caged 'hunts,' where in South Africa they will lock up a lion in a cage and have some 'brave' hunter put some holes in it. I am certain all those 'hunters' say how they followed the lion for hours on end across thorny underbrush, when in essence all they did is shoot something in a manner that was easier than brushing teeth.

Or that invention of a few years back where a remote controlled gun, that could be controlled via the computer, was shot at caged animals. More shooting.

And finally, this smartgun. Shooting an animal that is browsing from a 1,000 yards is an amazing level of skill ....if one is using their own shooting ability. If someone is using a computerized shooting system that is not hunting, and it is not skillful. Obama could replicate those shots based on what I have seen in the YouTube video.

Anyways, I would definitely want that shooting system. I am sure at least a fifth of the guns sold will be re-sold to foreign governments who want the targeting systems. It is a nice gun, and in terms of military applications it can be amazing since it takes what would require EXCEPTIONAL level of skill and makes it a commodity only limited by financial wherewithal. However, as a hunting tool that it is not.

Hunting is not about giving the game equal footing. If everything is equal that is not hunting ...it is survival. But neither is it shooting a caged beast from 10 feet, or using a computerized shooting robot (which is what this gun is ...it is a shooting robot that controls a gun, with the human interface being simply to align the sights to the general direction of the target, and pressing down on the trigger) to strike down game from 1,000 yards.

44 posted on 06/12/2013 9:10:01 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Clarification - the Mt Kenya trip wasn’t a hunting expedition. It was a forest walk after a day of viewing animals from a car at another reserve.


45 posted on 06/12/2013 9:11:21 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: servo1969

Hey, I can hit targets 1000 yards away. Now and then they’re even the ones I’m aiming at.


46 posted on 06/12/2013 9:15:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: spetznaz

“:)” usually is taken as “in jest” or “for fun” etc.

As for hunting, I gave that up as a teenager when I used to hunt rabbits and squirrels.

Once when we first met, my son-in-law asked me “what do you have all those guns for - hunting.”

I looked at him dead-eye and told him “I didn’t buy those guns to kill no Bambi.”


47 posted on 06/12/2013 9:30:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: spetznaz

If your point for hunting was to obtain food to eat, then it would be “hunting”. I think the distinction is that it isn’t “sporting”.


48 posted on 06/12/2013 9:34:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: thackney

I was answering Someone who posted to mez it was 50bmg. I did not put quotation marks nor HTML his statement into italics, my fault there b

As for my preferences? .30-06, .30-30, .35 Remington, 7mm Mauser, .300 savage, .308 win. You know, the heavy hitters? Also 12 gauge foster slugs have taken a load of venisonfor me as have .44 rem mag from a Ruger redhawk. Nothing past .200 yds. Most 50yds or less.


49 posted on 06/12/2013 9:40:37 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: R. Scott
Elements of marksmanship like breathing, trigger pull and pulse awareness are removed from the equation.

Good point and a must for open sight, long range pistol shooting also, hobby of mine.

I would add, if you can't make the shot in under 15 seconds, de-cock, put the pistol down, relax, get into the *zone* again.
I have found the arm muscles will start fighting each other after 15 seconds, for me anyway.

My buddies and I will throw shots at 200 and sometimes 300 yards for bragging rights at the range.
Scopes on pistols are frowned upon, so are Thompson Center Contender pistols, LOL.

50 posted on 06/12/2013 9:41:27 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy......Nuff said.)
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