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Archaeogenetic research refutes earlier findings
University of Huddersfield ^ | Monday, June 10, 2013 | unattributed (press release)

Posted on 06/13/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

...a team of archaeologists excavating in India then claimed to have found evidence that modern humans were there before the eruption possibly as early as 120,000 years ago, much earlier than Europe or the Near East were colonised. These findings, based on the discovery of stone tools below a layer of Toba ash, were published in Science in 2007.

Now Professor Richards working principally with the archaeologist Professor Sir Paul Mellars, of the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, with a team including Huddersfield University s Dr Martin Carr and colleagues from York and Porto has published his rebuttal of this theory. In doing so, they have been able to draw on a much greater body of DNA evidence that was available for the earlier article.

One of the things we didn't have in 2005 was very much evidence from India in the way of mitochondrial sequences. Now, with a lot of people doing sequencing and depositing material in databases there are about 1,000 sequences from India, said Professor Richards.

By using the mitochondrial DNA of today s populations and working backwards, and by drawing on a wide variety of other evidence and research, the team was able to make much more precise estimates for the arrival of modern humans in India.

(Excerpt) Read more at hud.ac.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: africa; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; toba; volcano
Map of old Africa (Map provided courtesy of Dora Kemp)

Map of old Africa (Map provided courtesy of Dora Kemp)

1 posted on 06/13/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Toba super-volcano catastrophe idea ‘dismissed’
BBC News | Jonathan Amos
Posted on 05/02/2013 7:34:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3015183/posts


2 posted on 06/13/2013 7:29:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's always remarkable that the Clovis-first-and-only school claims that the Americas were first colonized in one go, in next to no time -- but no one in the "old world" ever moved much at all. /s

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 06/13/2013 7:29:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

We’re only as old as we feel.


4 posted on 06/13/2013 7:32:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: SunkenCiv

Another article on the subject:

http://www.d.umn.edu/external-affairs/homepage/13/llo-lakemalawi.html


5 posted on 06/13/2013 7:32:44 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Thanks.


6 posted on 06/13/2013 7:34:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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7 posted on 06/13/2013 7:36:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Makes sense ~ an earlier population killed off by Toba then replaced by same old crowd from the old homeland.

A thought ~ Toba killed off the big cats as well as their game making it possible for humans to re-enter the area without much competition or risk of being eaten.

Eventually the big cats returned but the human population was enough to more than match them.

Same idea I have about the Younger Dryas event ~ before the event humans could not readily move permanently into verdant grasslands full of game because of the high population of big cats. After the event, humans owned the place because the cats were gone.

8 posted on 06/13/2013 7:40:25 PM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: muawiyah

Makes sense for the Americas too. Population could not spread far and wide until the giant American lion died off at the end of the last ice age (although based on numerous sightings from the 1790s to the present, there may be relict populations of the lions still around).


9 posted on 06/13/2013 7:46:31 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: SunkenCiv

10 posted on 06/13/2013 7:54:26 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Inyo-Mono

(although based on numerous sightings from the 1790s to the present, there may be relict populations of the lions still around)

are you talking about mountain lions or the lions extincted by the events of the younger dryas.

(I’ve never read reports of any lions but mountain lions in the USA. as to other big cats, I’ve seen pictures of jaguars north of the border.)


11 posted on 06/13/2013 8:08:43 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: muawiyah

Same idea I have about the Younger Dryas event ~ before the event humans could not readily move permanently into verdant grasslands full of game because of the high population of big cats. After the event, humans owned the place because the cats were gone.
............
I thought the problem was the big short faced bear.


12 posted on 06/13/2013 8:10:32 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
I thought the problem was the big short faced bear.

A human would be easy prey for a 2,000 lb predator that could run 40mph. Clovis man seemed able to cope with such a critter, but they seemed to have disappeared about the same time the bears did.

13 posted on 06/13/2013 10:12:37 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: ckilmer

The cats were dominant ~ bears were among their ‘game’ ~ doesn’t mean the bears and wolves were nice folks. Look up SABRE TOOTHED TIGER ~ there were three major species ~ all bad ~


14 posted on 06/14/2013 3:18:11 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: muawiyah

Toba’s a myth.


15 posted on 06/14/2013 3:38:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Listen buddy, it’s Out-of-Africa or nothing. Got it.


16 posted on 06/14/2013 4:15:09 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: JoeProBono

Wow and Tamboa was enough to give us a year without a summer.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 4:16:37 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv
TOBA KILLS EVERYBODY is a myth ~ but TOBA BLOWS UP is reality ~ all volcanos blow up from time to time. The part we need to worry about is that even ancient dormant volcanos leave behind plugs composed of material that is EASILY MELTED. What that means is if there's a disturbance in the mantle they can melt and blow up.

We have a dormant volcanic formation at the East end of Lake Superior. There's another one in the vicinity of Martinsville and Baden Springs Indiana. I know of one that's still chemically different enough on the top to show up as a large round zone just Souf' of Seymour, Indiana.

Those things are dormant just like the one in Reston, Virginia is dormant.

I don't expect them to blow up any time soon BUT..... (heavy drums beating in the background) .... it's a lot easier to get them to do that than most folks imagined.

BTW, there's one at the confluence of the Rhine and Mein rivers in Deutschland. Even has some still extant vents. It has gone off a time or two since the disappearance of the Eur-Asian ice!

18 posted on 06/14/2013 4:45:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: SunkenCiv
"has published his rebuttal of this theory. In doing so, they have been able to draw on a much greater body of DNA evidence that was available for the earlier article."

"has published his rebuttal of this theory. In doing so, they have been able to draw on a much greater body of DNA evidence than was available for the earlier article."

Funny how a small typographical error can completely change the meaning of a sentence.

19 posted on 06/14/2013 5:00:43 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cranky ping-list responders today, LOL!

Um... I hope they’re just kidding.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 7:25:14 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Inyo-Mono; ckilmer

The main impediment to human settlement that I’ve seen claimed from time to time is the short-faced bear; the sabretooth cat might have been a bit troublesome too. OTOH, we know human toolmaking and weaponmaking is a couple million years old, too. Weird coincidence.


21 posted on 06/14/2013 9:18:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: TheOldLady; Rocky

Thanks!


22 posted on 06/14/2013 9:21:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 1010RD

We had a big sale, we’ve been out of Africa for a while now.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 9:21:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: muawiyah

Thanks m.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 9:21:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Inyo-Mono; ckilmer
Just did a quick read through on the short faced bear ~ it was big, and it was in North America (particularly California).

Dude could do 40 MPH. So, it could probably prevent human permanent settlement at will.

Which brings me to another thought on that matter. We know the first human beings to permanently settle over a broad area in North America were from Europe ~ the Sa'ami ~ or Clovis Culture people.

So, what is it that they have that bears don't? Well, the Sa'ami have, and had, and may well have had for thousands of years, an item called the SKI.

They can go 60 to 70 MPH themselves.

Those recently revealed rock carvings in the Russian Kola show instructions on how to kill a bear ~ using skis to your advantage.

The article noted the Short Faced bear may well have preyed on the smaller smilodon! But the Sa'ami showed how to trick one to get a new fur coat.

25 posted on 06/14/2013 9:48:03 AM PDT by muawiyah (ui)
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To: John O
You do know about the Mississippi valley ~ a 17 mile deep crack in North America?

There are lateral faults as well as extended faults that occurred in the same geologic movement that made the first big crack ~ one is the Carmel fault, and there's one under the Wabash where it used to be ~ not where it is today. That's over further East toward Washington County.

These are all UNDER the various layers of limestone, so these are really really really old volcanic vents ~ but they are plugged with material that is easily melted.

You will want to look for PLUTON when it comes to the locations of the hot spots ~ they are all around the central continental core that undergirds much of Southern Indiana ~ but it has its connections to a geologic feature called The Cincinnati Arch.

There is also a mountain range down there buried under various lava flows which are under the limestone!

The locals know about the hot springs at Martinsville, West Baden, and Uniontown ~ my ancestors owned the one at Uniontown. They had hot water and cold water, and sometimes steaming hot water. There is an Indian settlement near there that probably dates back to 9,500 years ago. Same with Martinsville, et al.

The hot springs are a result of ancient residual heat and the circulation of water through it and then back to the surface.

I think Paoli has one too.

26 posted on 06/17/2013 9:52:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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