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Study: Men Caused Menopause by Selecting Younger Mates
UPI ^ | June 14, 2013 | Kristen Butler

Posted on 06/14/2013 11:10:52 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 06/14/2013 11:10:52 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Of course! It’s all men’s fault!!!!


2 posted on 06/14/2013 11:11:53 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: nickcarraway

This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard lately.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 11:12:30 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Rummyfan
Of course! It’s all men’s fault!!!!

Heeheeeeeee, let me take it a step further.....Bush is a man, therefore, it's Bush's fault!

4 posted on 06/14/2013 11:13:37 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: nickcarraway

Chicken, meet egg...

...Egg, chicken.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 11:14:15 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: nickcarraway

I have observed that women who continue to have children , continue to have children, even to 50 years old.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 11:15:38 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: nickcarraway

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought women exited puberty with a set number of eggs and when they are gone, they are gone. And they lose a few every month or so.


7 posted on 06/14/2013 11:19:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Rummyfan

“Of course! It’s all men’s fault!!!!”

That’s right ‘cause what we want is:

Faster Cars
Younger Women
Older Whiskey
More Money!


8 posted on 06/14/2013 11:19:57 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Rummyfan

George Bush is a man, so it’s really his fault.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 11:22:58 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: nickcarraway

I need a shovel on this one. Can’t leave that laying in the yard. I have to mow the lawn later.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 11:26:54 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’d think that “menopause” is a mammalian thing, and without having researched it yet, I’d bet a lot of other mammals go through something similar.


11 posted on 06/14/2013 11:27:22 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: nickcarraway

So they suggest we needed extra grandma’s to help raise the kids...

Next they will tell us there was also a need for some extra childless uncles to help raise the kids...

The gay gene explained!


12 posted on 06/14/2013 11:27:28 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: cuban leaf

Correct.


13 posted on 06/14/2013 11:27:33 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: cuban leaf

I’m still trying to figure out the key question: what is the ADVANTAGE of women running out of eggs sooner? What disadvantage might there be to having surplus eggs? The article appears not to provide even a hypothests for this.


14 posted on 06/14/2013 11:28:03 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: nickcarraway
Menopause has bewildered evolutionary biologists, as females in virtually every other species remain fertile until they die. Now a team of Canadian researchers has shown that human menopause might be an unintended effect of men preferring to mate with younger women.

And, the sun rising in the east might be an unintended effect of God's design of the universe!

"Researchers" and "scientists" are becoming politically correct terms for "idiots" and "morons"!

15 posted on 06/14/2013 11:30:10 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Women didn’t live to see menopause for most of human history. I believe the human body is simply not yet adapted to live as long as we do today


16 posted on 06/14/2013 11:31:51 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Atlas Sneezed

The article appears not to provide even a hypothests for this.


Nor will they. I’m in IT contracting. Doing that would be what we call “killing the job.”


17 posted on 06/14/2013 11:32:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nickcarraway

What a complete load of horse sh*t.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 11:35:04 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: nickcarraway

Suggestion: Premenopausal women hang around bars at closing time.

Oh, wait...never mind.


19 posted on 06/14/2013 11:36:20 AM PDT by twister881
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To: nickcarraway
So, they start with Darwin as gospel. Then this silly line: While conventional thinking has held that menopause prevents older women from continuing to reproduce, in fact, the researchers' new theory says it is the lack of reproduction that gave rise to menopause.

So, women stop being able to reproduce after a certain age (the age is variable) how is this not menopause? If they stop generating eggs then why continue all the other processes that go into egg production like the uterine lining etc... Isn't the hormones that control reproduction so doesn't it make sense that the production of estrogen goes down then leading to infertility which makes it sound like their research is backwards.

I get it, it's all men's fault.

20 posted on 06/14/2013 11:37:24 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: nickcarraway

They should change the name, to be fair, that is.. to..

Twilight’sHeat .. BalmyDaze .. or sumthin’ .. chemicals are strange things, how they interact, and .. uhh .. mess with Mother Nature and her cycles.


21 posted on 06/14/2013 11:37:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

My theory is that people simply didn’t live as long until very recently. The number of eggs women have were more than adequate for most of human history.

Creating extra eggs and never using them is a waste of resources so over time the number of eggs matched the average lifetime.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 11:38:24 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: nickcarraway
Wonder how long it will take a guy to use the old "genetic pre-disposition" position when running off with a younger women in a divorce proceeding?

My genes made me do it!!!!!

23 posted on 06/14/2013 11:38:47 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > |=====>)
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To: nickcarraway

They are really stupid. NO ONE lived past 40 in primitive times! There was no need for the reproductive system to work!

BTW, the reason why men choose younger women should be obvious - because they are MORE fertile. In other words, it’s just the opposite of what these low-IQ “scientists” think.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 11:39:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: nickcarraway

Menopause is just one of a long list of things men invented to annoy women. Here are a few others:

** PMS
** beer
** two-position toilet seat
** manual transmission
** farting
** sports
** boogers
** TV remote
...


25 posted on 06/14/2013 11:39:16 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

Maybe older women had such a high probability of giving birth to babies that had a low probability of surviving that evolution selected for women whose ability to get pregnant cutoff at a certain time.


26 posted on 06/14/2013 11:39:55 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: nickcarraway

It is men’s fault no matter what we do.


27 posted on 06/14/2013 11:40:36 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

And older women had a low probability of living long enough to raise their children to an age at which they could fend for themselves.


28 posted on 06/14/2013 11:43:14 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: rockabyebaby
This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard lately.

Yes it is.

I'm not a biologist, but I have three good challenges to this theory:

1. Why doesn't male fertility have an age limit? A 20 year old honey will get tired of her 60 year old sugar daddy well before he turns 80.

2. Out of all mammals, human pregnancy is the hardest because we are bipedal. I theorize that menopause is for survival ... pregnancy is relatively harder on human females. Ending the ability to become pregnant when strength begins to wane allows females to live longer.

3. Until very recently, the human lifespan was about 35 years. Did menopause exist 5000 years ago? I am guessing that the limit on the number of eggs in the ovary is related to the rapid increase in the human lifespan and evolution hasn't caught up.

29 posted on 06/14/2013 11:46:17 AM PDT by kidd
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To: arthurus
I have observed that women who continue to have children , continue to have children, even to 50 years old.

Or, as a female co-worker with a large family once told me, after the first one everything starts working reeeeeal good down there!


30 posted on 06/14/2013 11:54:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kidd

Because clearly evolution is pushing us in the direction of a bunch of single moms with kids whose dads are all dead. /sarc


31 posted on 06/14/2013 11:55:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Rummyfan

Another more plausible interpretation: nagging older women drove men to younger companions thus obviating the older women’s reproductive functions.


32 posted on 06/14/2013 11:57:45 AM PDT by relictele (A place dedicated to economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: kidd
I am guessing that the limit on the number of eggs in the ovary is related to the rapid increase in the human lifespan and evolution hasn't caught up.

Any gals out there want ovaries the size of a hubcap?


33 posted on 06/14/2013 12:00:35 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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No, it’s just because the body wears out. For a long time, they were blaming older mothers for things like Down syndrome, but now it appears to be that older fathers are a main contributor, no matter how young their wives.

The body does that. Men, because their body does to have to bear the hardship of childbirth, may be able to fertilize an egg longer, and the biological reason for this is actually that a lot of younger men would have been killed in combat or in accidents. This is something that no longer happens because most young men now are conflict-averse and will simply surrender.


34 posted on 06/14/2013 12:03:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: nickcarraway
Menopause, however, is not only lost fertility, but an increased risk of illness and death that arises with the hormonal changes

Specious, considering that childbirth has been the traditional early killer of women throughout history, especially before the rise of medical science.

35 posted on 06/14/2013 12:05:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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Old Maids make men sterile!

TOO LATE! ..sorry!

36 posted on 06/14/2013 12:22:20 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Here's an evolutionary theory for ya:

Women were originally the tougher sex, mean ugly b!tches who always demanded and got their own way. To demonstrate their superiority, they fought off all potential male suitors. Men were afraid to challenge or even approach them. The women who managed to get pregnant killed their offspring in order to pursue their own selfish goals.

These types of women died off after a generation, lonely, bitter and cold.

Somehow, a few of the more docile, cooperative, family-friendly females managed to survive, reproduce, and nurture their offspring to adulthood. Their legacy and progeny survives to this day, and society owes everything to them.

History has a way of repeating itself. The combative, family-hating females have made a comeback in modern times. Their genes probably won't be here in the next generation, but their anti-family philosophy could prove devastating in the short run.

37 posted on 06/14/2013 12:25:37 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: nickcarraway

When it’s based on evolution - garbage in, garbage out.


38 posted on 06/14/2013 12:28:48 PM PDT by huldah1776
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Even if a woman can get pregnant at a later age, the fetus has a lot less chance of being viable and without birth defects. A hardship and a stresser even when a woman is young and healthy. So why waste the resources. Why not just close up shop.
39 posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:33 PM PDT by dhs12345
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Menopause actually lines up pretty well with life expectancy 200 to 300 years ago.


40 posted on 06/14/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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Of course! It’s all men’s fault!!!!

Of course ... they call it "MEN"opause, don't they? ;-)

41 posted on 06/14/2013 12:44:38 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: nickcarraway
What is totally ignored apparently in this theory is not that women can not have children till they die but that woman die.

Other primates mature much more quickly than homo sapiens.

A female gorilla will begin ovulating at 6 years old. Female Homo sapiens begin ovulating at about 12. This is a significant difference.

The point being that there is necessarily a great deal more time invested in bringing the young to maturity in humans. There for an older woman may stop being able to bare children because her chances of bringing that child to maturity (independent survivability) significantly decreases as age advances. Also as age advances the chances of a woman surviving pregnancy decreases.

It could be the excessively long childhood of humans caused the evolution of menopause.

42 posted on 06/14/2013 1:00:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: kidd
I am guessing that the limit on the number of eggs in the ovary is related to the rapid increase in the human lifespan and evolution hasn't caught up.

Women have enough eggs in their ovaries to continue ovulation well in to their second century.

The eggs simply stop maturing after menopause.

43 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: rockabyebaby

I am 54—and have four children from 30 to 11—and have concluded that menopause is one of the Almighty’s complex deals (NOT covenants , as there’s no record the understanding was ever inked by both parties). As with all of God’s deals (and covenants), mankind, here womankind, gets the overly generous deal (thank you, Lord). No threat of pregnancy once one is tuckered out; in turn, one is older (but that was coming down the pike, as men of the same age would attest). All is well, and if a given woman or man has had enough sense to have children (understanding, of course, that not all can, regardless of hope), then their futurity is assured.


44 posted on 06/14/2013 1:30:07 PM PDT by lauraw
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The study also doesn't account for the dangers of pregnancy and childbirth in older women. That is a huge flaw. Before modern medicine getting pregnant after 40 was a potential death sentence.
45 posted on 06/14/2013 1:32:05 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: kidd

My theory would be this: the older the woman is, the higher the risk of genetic defects (we see that now with Down’s Syndrome). The more genetically defective babies that are born (not all defects result in lack of reproduction) the more the genetic viability of the entire tribe is reduced, and thus the less likely that the tribe will survive. For those tribes where women got sterile around the age of the onset of high risk for birth defects, the gene pool is protected and elevated. That tribe then has a genetic advantage over other tribes, and thus would be become the dominant gene pool.


46 posted on 06/14/2013 1:39:54 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: nickcarraway

I think they are grasping at straws (or ovariea).

Growing old, functions slowing down, functions losing their vitality seems to be part of the human condition, so why would it not apply to our reproductive system?

Maybe, with equal evidence I would think, that “growing old” in every other sense triggered the evolution to menopause and its infertility, as pregnancy & childbirth have been known for ages to be more of a difficulty for the woman as she ages.

But no, let’s blame men. It’s like blaming Bush I think.


47 posted on 06/14/2013 1:53:52 PM PDT by Wuli (as)
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To: arthurus

How many women have you observed doing this? (curious)


48 posted on 06/14/2013 2:12:12 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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"How do you evolve infertility? It is contrary to the whole notion of natural selection. Natural selection selects for fertility, for reproduction -- not for stopping it," Singh said.

What a crock of Barack. Singh seems to be quite the dingbat. If we're talking about grandmothers helping to rear grandchildren, then late life infertility would be a favored trait if it in fact contributed to greater survival among grandchildren with infertile grandmothers. This is not hard to reason out.
49 posted on 06/14/2013 2:51:47 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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Observed that

Learn how English works.

50 posted on 06/14/2013 3:16:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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