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The Oath Keepers on Edward Snowden
Reason.com ^ | 06/14/2013 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:26:58 PM PDT by Rusty0604

Stewart Rhodes, the group's founder, has emailed me a statement about Snowden:

He is an example of what needs to be done by anyone who has knowledge of such gross violations of our rights. We need more to stand up, because this is surely the mere tip of the iceberg of the infrastructure for a police state that is being built over us.

This is about far more than supposed attempts to ferry out al Qaeda operatives. This is part of a growing Stasi and Checka style surveillance police state which tags, tracks, and prepares plans to detain dissidents with the "Main Core" database of millions of Americans who the regime considers a "threat."

And this is also really about the absurd claim that the U.S. is a battlefield and the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to the President's "surveillance of the battlefield."

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; fascism; maincore; oathkeepers; snowden; stasi; surveillancestate
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1 posted on 06/14/2013 12:26:58 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

In before the “he’s a traitor” crowd?


2 posted on 06/14/2013 12:27:58 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Pan_Yan

who are the he is a traitor crowd


3 posted on 06/14/2013 12:32:27 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Pan_Yan

I wonder what would have happened if he had given his info to, say, Rand Paul or Ted Cruz instead of the media (not even U.S. media)? (Well I guess after the Rosen incident no U.S. media would report it.)


4 posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:08 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: bigheadfred

The ones who post he is a traitor on FR, silly.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:36 PM PDT by Girlene (I like cats too!)
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To: Girlene

there are people who post on fr saying he is a traitor?


6 posted on 06/14/2013 12:35:58 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: bigheadfred

there’s a group on every thread about Snowden advocating his execution as a traitor. Is he? I don’t know. He violated national security. But he was exposing the unconstitutional acts of a government agency. But then he fled to Hong Kong (communist China). Gotta wonder who he talked to and who all knows what he knows.


7 posted on 06/14/2013 12:37:24 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: bigheadfred
there are people who post on fr saying he is a traitor?

Yes....pay more attention! (there will be a quiz later)

:-)
8 posted on 06/14/2013 12:40:05 PM PDT by Girlene (I like cats too!)
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To: Rusty0604
This is part of a growing Stasi and Checka style surveillance police state which tags, tracks, and prepares plans to detain dissidents with the "Main Core" database of millions of Americans who the regime considers a "threat."

This statement should be shouted from every rooftop and spread through every media.

Unfortunately too many of our fellow Americans are either naive, don't give a rip or are ignorant of history to even know who the Checka or Stasi were.............

9 posted on 06/14/2013 12:40:37 PM PDT by varon (Down with tyranny)
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To: Rusty0604
This is about far more than supposed attempts to ferry out al Qaeda operatives

True. If they were concerned about security, they'd close the borders, and get rid of the open door policy for Saudi nationals. They definitely wouldn't bring thousands of Islamic Syrians here to America either.

No. The data mining has nothing to do with protecting U.S. citizens. It has everything to do with controling U.S. citizens - the enemy of this current administration.

10 posted on 06/14/2013 12:45:18 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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We need more to stand up, because this is surely the mere tip of the iceberg

We need to get on juries and nullify unconstitutional laws. We need to take NSA/BATFE/EPA jobs and speak out when they cross the line.

The bottom line is that we need to be as active as the gay lobby. They have an advantage, since they don't have children, but we need to remember that we do have children and use that as motivation to be as aggressive with our lawmakers as the pink gestapo.

11 posted on 06/14/2013 12:45:38 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Every whistle blower, rather right or wrong, violated some trust or oath to bring information forward, how else would they have gotten the information. The only difference if is was a journalist he/she is touted as a hero automatically.


12 posted on 06/14/2013 12:47:37 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: concerned about politics

Didn’t I see that they aren’t even tracking overseas calls, only those within the U.S.?


13 posted on 06/14/2013 12:48:33 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Pan_Yan

in every generation anyone who makes a stand against the government is a traitor the lunatic fringe demonized castigated shunned spit upon killed stone the prophets forget the word of god stupid stupid stupid greedy people gutless wonders my your everyones security trumps the feds every time and they are the ones violating it


14 posted on 06/14/2013 12:49:06 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Pan_Yan

How much debt does China hold over US??? I am still trying to figure out why for some China is good and for others China is ‘red’ China? And no I am no fan of ‘red’ China, but it takes a road map to know when to find them offensive.


15 posted on 06/14/2013 12:51:18 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Rusty0604
He is an example of what needs to be done by anyone who has knowledge of such gross violations of our rights. We need more to stand up, because this is surely the mere tip of the iceberg of the infrastructure for a police state that is being built over us.

I agree with this. We're no longer a free country because in the past people have remained silent.
Speak up now or forever hold your tongue (that is if the government still lets you own a tongue).

16 posted on 06/14/2013 12:51:33 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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SNOWDEN, PRISM, and the NSA

If you want to hear a chilling expose on PRISM, listen to the following interview of William Benny, a 40 year career NSA employee who becaame the director of 6,000 analysts in their intelligence area, and who was personally involved with PRISM under Bush.

Former Director of NSA Intelligence teveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

17 posted on 06/14/2013 1:02:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: bigheadfred

Even here before and after our revolutionary war. To me, born many years later, they were heroes. But now what they fought for has become what they fought against.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 1:02:35 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Girlene

no quiz until after my nap


19 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:23 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Jeff Head

You sent me that link on another thread which I appreciated. Then I found this interview with him: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/what-do-they-know-about-you-an-interview-with-nsa-analyst-william-binney/?print=1


20 posted on 06/14/2013 1:04:44 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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