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Alien Planet Discovery a Puzzle -- Accepted Theory Says "It Can't Exist"
Carnegie Institute / The Daily Galaxy ^ | Friday, June 14, 2013 | unattributed

Posted on 06/14/2013 9:24:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The astronomers made Hubble Space Telescope observations over a wide range of wavelengths from visible to near infrared and modeled the color and structure of the disk in a way that has not been done before. They found a deficit of disk material, or partial gap, at about 80 astronomical units (AU) (1 AU is the Earth/Sun distance). Their models indicate that the depression is about 20 AUs wide, just slightly wider than necessary for a planet-opening gap and consistent with a planet of between 6 and 28 Earth masses. The feature is seen at all wavelengths indicating it is structural and not a local compositional difference. The team believes the evidence is strong for planet formation causing the gap.

"TW Hydrae is between 5 and 10 million years old, and should be in the final throes of planet formation before its disk dissipates," remarked coauthor Alycia Weinberger of the Carnegie Institution and principal investigator of the observations. "It is surprising to find a planet only 5 to 10% of Jupiter's mass forming so far out since planets should form faster closer in. In all planet formation scenarios, it's difficult to make a low-mass planet far away from a low mass star."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailygalaxy.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; twhydrae; xplanets
Image Credit: NASA, ESA, J. Debes (STScI), H. Jang-Condell (University of Wyoming), A. Weinberger (Carnegie Institution of Washington), A. Roberge (Goddard Space Flight Center), and G. Schneider (University of Arizona/Steward Observatory)

Image Credit: NASA, ESA, J. Debes (STScI), H. Jang-Condell (University of Wyoming), A. Weinberger (Carnegie Institution of Washington), A. Roberge (Goddard Space Flight Center), and G. Schneider (University of Arizona/Steward Observatory)

1 posted on 06/14/2013 9:24:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; married21; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...

Extra to APoD members.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 9:25:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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3 posted on 06/14/2013 9:26:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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4 posted on 06/14/2013 9:28:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Alien Planet Discovery a Puzzle -- Accepted Theory Says "It Can't Exist"

Science knows everything. Until it doesn't.

5 posted on 06/14/2013 9:33:27 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: schm0e

I never heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 9:43:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SunkenCiv

K-PAX


7 posted on 06/14/2013 9:56:33 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: schm0e

The reason science exists is so one day we can know everything. As apposed to say...Ignorant superstition.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 9:58:29 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Perhaps the people who inhabit this planet have figured out how to adjust their orbital distance from what it was in the beginning, perhaps to evade asteroids , or to compensate for global warming of their planet


9 posted on 06/14/2013 9:58:46 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: SunkenCiv

‘Forbidden Planet’
Puzzled by the silence from their colony, a starship crew led by Lt. Frank Drebin travels to the planet.
“Surely this dilemma ... “ “Don’t call me Shirley,” barked the intrepid etc.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 10:21:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Reddon

Maybe it’s not even a planet, maybe it’s a giant spacecraft. :’)


11 posted on 06/14/2013 10:37:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: tumblindice

;’)


12 posted on 06/14/2013 10:37:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Captured rogue planet.


13 posted on 06/14/2013 10:37:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

Thanks Red Steel, and a nice way to transition to a Catastrophism ping.


14 posted on 06/14/2013 10:40:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Reddon
Or maybe it's just an illegal alien planet that came across the interplanetary border.
15 posted on 06/14/2013 11:47:50 PM PDT by eggman (End the Obama occupation of the White House!)
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To: dragnet2
I never heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.

If you go to Reddit, you will see claims like this all over the place. And if you go on Facebook you may actually see that one of your 'friends' belong to a group called "I F--king Love Science"--I kid you not. It is their religion. And they use it as if to disprove Christianity, their real target.

16 posted on 06/15/2013 12:02:38 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (Big Eared Brother is watching YOU)
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To: SunkenCiv

In English please


17 posted on 06/15/2013 12:05:59 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: schm0e
Science knows everything. Until it doesn't.

A competent scientist is extremely aware of the severe limitations of his knowledge. The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

18 posted on 06/15/2013 1:24:55 AM PDT by TChad
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To: dragnet2

The science is settled, until it’s unsettled.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 3:06:00 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: schm0e
Science knows everything. Until it doesn't.

Yep - I read a Dean Koontz novel last week and one of the characters, a mathematics specialist, made a statement after talking about how theories are constantly being changed and updated: "When a scientist states that the science is settled, he stops being a scientist and becomes an evangelist."

I found it to be apropos.

20 posted on 06/15/2013 4:33:52 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: tumblindice

Monsters from the ID.


21 posted on 06/15/2013 4:38:20 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well then the theory is wrong, you idiots!


22 posted on 06/15/2013 5:13:54 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: BigCinBigD

“As apposed to say...Ignorant superstition.”

apposed means ‘like’, or the same, or the ‘opposite of the opposite’.

You just equated science with ignorant superstition, which would be appropriate in the case of say, climate science or evolution.


23 posted on 06/15/2013 5:20:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: dragnet2
I never heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.

I should rephrase: "Science is infallible. Until it isn't."

24 posted on 06/15/2013 5:42:02 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: TChad
It is refreshing that something that was thought impossible, when it shows itself to be otherwise, is acknowledged.

It's a nice counterbalance to insisting that something that does not exist and has never demonstrated itself, does.

25 posted on 06/15/2013 5:42:02 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Theories are hard. Dogma is easy.


26 posted on 06/15/2013 5:43:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Accepted Theory Says "It Can't Exist"

The way science works, is when you see something that violates theory, that means the theory is wrong and you need to figure out a new theory.

Well, it's the way it works outside of some fields like Climate Theory.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 5:49:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Reddon

Binary systems are common. It could be that two proto-stars were orbiting each other, and then the inner one hit a critical point to become a star. The other is like Jupiter, a large might have been, orbiting far away.


28 posted on 06/15/2013 6:17:36 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: dragnet2; BigCinBigD; TChad; trebb; I want the USA back; tacticalogic; PapaBear3625

Thanks!

Science is a method, not a body of knowledge, and knowledge is therefore not fixed and immutable.


29 posted on 06/15/2013 7:39:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: tbw2

Yes I have heard that we (our sun) might even have a binary, it just hasn’t been discovered yet


30 posted on 06/15/2013 8:02:01 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: SunkenCiv; eggman

Sounds like we need to send spy satellites to check this out


31 posted on 06/15/2013 8:06:16 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: BigCinBigD
...Ignorant superstition

Please...why attack when ignore is a better option?

32 posted on 06/15/2013 8:49:24 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: Captainpaintball
I never heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.

If you go to Reddit, you will see claims like this all over the place. And if you go on Facebook you may actually see that one of your 'friends' belong to a group called "I F--king Love Science"--I kid you not.

One of my friends?

I've never been to Reddit or Facebook slick.

I understand sites you visit like facebook are for teens and easily led sheep. The feds and CIA indicated it's one of their best sources for roping dopes.

Once again, I never once heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.

33 posted on 06/15/2013 9:03:19 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: schm0e

I never heard anyone say that either.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 9:04:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SunkenCiv

I understand...Seems some of the comments from some people on this thread are about 9 cents short of a dime.

Science haters?

wow...


35 posted on 06/15/2013 9:07:01 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
for your amusement.
36 posted on 06/15/2013 11:19:59 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: dragnet2
I never heard anyone say that either.

That's because it's been a built-in presumption for half a century.

37 posted on 06/15/2013 11:20:57 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: schm0e
Science knows everything.

I never ever heard anyone say that.

That's because it's been a built-in presumption for half a century.

Where did you get this?

I never heard anyone say or imply or presume "Science knows everything".

38 posted on 06/15/2013 11:31:52 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: schm0e

What kind of cowflop is that?

Ya send me a disjointed google link to more links?

lol


39 posted on 06/15/2013 11:34:30 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
given your comments to me, I think I know who you mean.

So anyone who questions science is a "hater"?

Is that very scientific?

40 posted on 06/15/2013 12:53:09 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: dragnet2
This isn't as fun for me as it seems to be for you.

Have a nice day.

41 posted on 06/15/2013 12:53:10 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: schm0e

Just a suggestion. Hit the abuse button and start the thread over without all the generalizations.


42 posted on 06/15/2013 1:07:53 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

My apologies to SunkenCiv. Just meant to toss in my .02 and be done with it.


43 posted on 06/15/2013 1:30:15 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: chesty_puller

What was I attacking? Besides blind ignorance.


44 posted on 06/15/2013 3:12:51 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: dragnet2
Easy there, Jerk Webb.

My point is that there is a growing number of people, or sheeple, if you will, that are proclaiming themselves followers of "science". Just because you may not have heard about something doesn't mean it does not exist.

45 posted on 06/15/2013 5:58:24 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Big Eared Brother is watching YOU)
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To: Captainpaintball
there is a growing number of people, or sheeple, if you will, that are proclaiming themselves followers of "science".

lol...Where do you get this jackball?

Ya think science is something new? Ya think there are science cults that instead of being religious fanatics, are cult like science followers and fanatics?

Where in tarnation are you getting this paintball?

And what do ya have against science? What's your real beef here?

46 posted on 06/15/2013 9:22:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SunkenCiv
Science is a method, not a body of knowledge, and knowledge is therefore not fixed and immutable.

Unless you listen to Algore and other GW nuts...

47 posted on 06/16/2013 3:16:56 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: dragnet2
There are sub-cultures of our public that have a hostility towards religion and use the broader term "science" to dismiss religion. They, whether they have a scientific background or not, evangelistically push their concept of "science" (mostly pop-culture level) to various degrees of obnoxiousness and effectiveness.

Real scientists will likely/mostly say "All I know is that we don't know everything" when pressed, but these internet trolls "hope and pray" each new discovery will, incrementally, disprove the existence of God.

So, in conclusion: I have NOTHING against science. I do seem have some issue with you. Because you seem to be a class 'A' bag of douche.

48 posted on 06/17/2013 6:52:47 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (Big Eared Brother is watching YOU)
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To: Captainpaintball
I never heard anyone claim, “Science knows everything”.

If you go to Reddit, you will see claims like this all over the place.

Once again, just for you, I've never heard anyone, anywhere make this claim.

There are sub-cultures that have a hostility towards religion and use the broader term "science" to dismiss religion. They evangelistically push their concept of "science" to various degrees of obnoxiousness. Real scientists will likely/mostly say "All I know is that we don't know everything" when pressed, but these internet trolls "hope and pray" each new discovery will, incrementally, disprove the existence of God.

So, in conclusion: I have NOTHING against science.

Now I understand your motives and comments...... Someone somewhere said something about religion which made you hysterical and angry!

Turns out you're not angry with science or scientist, you're angry at those who have issues with religion and don't believe what you believe....lol

Don't know what this all has to do with this article, but your comments and motives are now very clear.

49 posted on 06/17/2013 8:28:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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