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What we learned when we sent a female reporter shopping for a home-defense handgun
The Daily Caller ^ | 6/15/2013 | Jessica Stanton

Posted on 06/15/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by rktman

With all the latest political controversy and looming legislation over gun ownership and Second Amendment rights, it is no wonder many Americans are making the important decision to invest in a gun. In fact, there have been 72,005,482 background checks for gun purchases since President Barack Obama took office in 2008, according to FBI data.

The Daily Caller decided to send this reporter to gun stores in the D.C.-Metro area to document purchasing a handgun from a female’s perspective, recording what recommendations I received and why, as well as how I was treated.

My proposal was simple: I am a young female looking for a handgun for home defense, with the ability to be used for concealed carry down the road, and willing to spend $500 to $600

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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; misunderstood; sales; secondamendment
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72+ million NICS since king hussein was emaculated the first time. Ergo: Guns salesman of the decade?
1 posted on 06/15/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Sounds like some of the shops are nearly as clueless as some of the legislators. 9mm equal to the effectiveness of a .45 or .40? The larger the gun the more velocity of the round? Maybe the writer misunderstood some of the info provided. Barrel length/velocity.


2 posted on 06/15/2013 8:53:41 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
Went into my local gun store with wife in tow, and she started asking about a good home defense gun for her. First thing he recommended was a Taurus Judge. Really?

The reporter's first stop should have been The Cornered Cat.

3 posted on 06/15/2013 9:01:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: rktman

“The bigger the gun, the higher the velocity of the round”.

Really? Really are the reporters that clueless? Size of the gun has nothing to do with velocity. It’s the bullet and load.


4 posted on 06/15/2013 9:01:25 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
It’s the bullet and load.

. . . and the barrel length (see post #2).

5 posted on 06/15/2013 9:06:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Idiocracy is a documentary.)
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To: rktman
the magazine holds more ammunition – usually between 10 and 18 rounds

In DC they can own handguns that hold up to 18 rounds?

6 posted on 06/15/2013 9:13:06 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: rktman

bookmark


7 posted on 06/15/2013 9:15:03 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: rktman

Home defense = shotgun


8 posted on 06/15/2013 9:15:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: rktman
9mm equal to the effectiveness of a .45 or .40? The larger the gun the more velocity of the round?

Wonder if they also told her that the loud bang is from the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

9 posted on 06/15/2013 9:16:03 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: LouAvul

Better yet: In d.c. you can own a gun? Well yeah, you can but if you followed Emily Millers quest to be a legal gun owner in d.c. it is a daunting task indeed. Hoopsville. And the d.c. cops are NOT very helpful and throw up all sorts of hurdles to jump over. The bad guys on the other hand couldn’t give two damns what the cops have to say. Weird huh? Law abiders wrapped up in red tape, bad guys just go about their business undeterred. Obviously more laws are needed.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 9:18:17 AM PDT by rktman
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To: N. Theknow

Guess nobody mentioned “silencers” and sub-sonic ammo.


11 posted on 06/15/2013 9:19:43 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
I had an older, well informed, clerk at Academy when I was going to purchase a handgun. I didn't have enough hand strength to pull back a slide on a 9mm. I would be dead by the time I did that. We decided on a Ruger 38 special revolver. I later put a red laser on it. It's easy to conceal and likely the 6 cartridge round would be enough out in public.

For home defense, I felt I needed more cartridges available after those 6 shots. For easy use and price, I got a Ruger 22LR and have two 25 cartridge magazines (Hussein isn't getting my magazines). All my ammo is hollow point.

I already had a Colt 38 upstairs next to my bed but nothing downstairs and I wanted to keep that loaded Colt upstairs at all times. I have been to gun ranges with this Colt so I wasn't new to shooting and hitting a target.

For small animals and at home target practice, I got a Walther PPG pellet handgun. It doesn't have the blow back feature, so it is quiet for using in town. I got a target box to capture the pellets so I could use it in the back garden and not have lead pellets all around for my little dog to “eat”.

I have two long guns that are too heavy for me, Remington rifle and Remington shotgun but I did buy ammo for those late last year. All my ammo is in Ammo boxes with O2 absorbers except for small ammo boxes next to the handguns and 22 rifle.

12 posted on 06/15/2013 9:30:38 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Yo-Yo

The Judge is illegal in my state.


13 posted on 06/15/2013 9:34:29 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Barrel length without bullet and load does nothing. Length of barrel influences the range that the bullet and load will produce. A particular bullet/load will have an upper and lower velocity, based on short vs long barrel. But the bullet and loading will be the driver.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 9:38:07 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: rktman

M1911A1, best pistol in the world and good exercise carrying it around....plus, the ultimate in INTIMADATION factor...ever looked at one from the barrel....


15 posted on 06/15/2013 9:51:23 AM PDT by mm427 (Repeal the 19th amendment.)
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To: mm427

I stared down the barrel of a .22 with my ex and it looked like a .50 from my view point. LOL!


16 posted on 06/15/2013 9:55:41 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman; All
About a year ago, Emily Miller of The Washington Times, published a series of articles, "Emily Got her Gun" . It's an excellent series, and well worth reading. It was discussed at length on FR.

This article is a very cheap imitation..The DC , while it does occasionally have some very good pieces, and has some excellent reporters, like Neil Munro, has become far more tabloid

17 posted on 06/15/2013 10:02:07 AM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: Marcella
I didn't have enough hand strength to pull back a slide on a 9mm.

Ah, another weakling like me..I had that problem with most handguns, until I tried a Walther PPS. I love it. BTW, I also have that problem with pump shotguns, so I prefer a Saiga..easy peasy.

18 posted on 06/15/2013 10:08:48 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: sockmonkey

You might want to try the old WWII lugar. It is a 9mm that is easy to operate the action.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 10:26:04 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: sockmonkey
“Ah, another weakling like me..I had that problem with most handguns”

I have small bones, my wrists are small and getting older just made it worse. I can't handle a 10 inch iron skillet. My wrists give way under that amount of weight.

I wear a AAA shoe. When I was younger, it was AAAA. Can you say narrow feet? My mother hated that since if the shoe was going to stay on, she had to pay more to get that AAAA. Only the most expensive store had them. I get shoe catalogs and can flip through them fast since they seem to think everyone wears a medium or wide.

It was frustrating not being able to pull back a slide. I could envision the bad guy standing there waiting until I was ready to fire. The clerk immediately dumped those pistols and went to revolvers. He suggested the Ruger 38 special and it was fine in my hand, then I questioned the amount of strength needed to pull the trigger. He went to the safe and got one out that didn't have a lock on it and held it behind his back until he got to me and had me hold it down so no one could see while I pulled the trigger. I pulled it and it was fine.

A clerk is supposed to only give a buyer one with a lock on the trigger to look at. I don't know if that is just an Academy rule or is a rule everywhere.

I don't have a problem with the 22LR.

20 posted on 06/15/2013 10:35:31 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

Attaching a vertical foregrip[ to a pump shotgun makes the tool much easier to use and less likely to have a ‘short shuck’ problem. ... just sayin’


21 posted on 06/15/2013 10:40:20 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: null and void

Why the heck would that be?

The judge is great on a farm, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be looking at the business end of it.

Why would the single that out?


22 posted on 06/15/2013 10:51:05 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: DanielRedfoot

It’s California.


23 posted on 06/15/2013 10:54:42 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void
but as twisted as it prolly is, what is their reasoning behind it, cause it can use bird shot with no ballistics?
24 posted on 06/15/2013 11:04:32 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Good call, I’ll bet that’s it.

Even if not birdshot, there is 00 self defenses shells that provide no ballistics


25 posted on 06/15/2013 11:10:44 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: DanielRedfoot
it's all i can think of anyway
26 posted on 06/15/2013 11:12:37 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sockmonkey

You need an 8-rd S&W revolver. Problem solved.


27 posted on 06/15/2013 11:14:19 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper
You need an 8-rd S&W revolver. Problem solved.

I have a S&W 642 (just five rds) with CT Grips, and changed out the trigger spring to a 2 lb pull.

28 posted on 06/15/2013 11:32:35 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: rktman

With modern hollow points, good ones expand 50% such as my Hornady critical defense.

That means a 9mm (.355) is actually .5325, larger than .45 ACP.


29 posted on 06/15/2013 11:32:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Unless you use a .45 critical defense round. LOL! Who’s is bigger then? LOL! .45=.708


30 posted on 06/15/2013 11:38:14 AM PDT by rktman
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To: Marcella; rktman
I didn't have enough hand strength to pull back a slide on a 9mm.

When I took my BFSC course many, many years ago, several people in the class couldn't pull back the slide on a .45, no matter how hard they tried. The instructor then had them hold the slide with their off (weak) hand and push the frame forward under it with their strong hand. All of them were able to operate the slide by doing it that way. (My guess - Pulling back on the slide with your weak hand doesn't apply as much force as you can apply by pushing the gun forward with your strong hand.)

31 posted on 06/15/2013 12:00:26 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Exactly the instructions I gave my CFO. Hold the slide firmly and push the frame forward. Never had an issue again. Seemed pretty logical/mechanical to me as the way to do it.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 12:05:18 PM PDT by rktman
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To: Bob

“The instructor then had them hold the slide with their off (weak) hand and push the frame forward under it with their strong hand.”

Now, why didn’t I think of that? I think that would work. Thanks for your post.


33 posted on 06/15/2013 12:05:44 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: null and void

They probably classify it as a sawed-off shotgun.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 12:09:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Marcella

I’m with you. I’ve got a Ruger P85 9mm but its really too big for my hands so it hangs in a holster in the closet as an emergency go to. I got a Keltec PMR 30 in .22 mag. Its got a 30 round magazine and louder than a you know what. If I blew off a round in the hallway it would scare the intruder to death. Its got an ambidextrious safety and fiber optic sights. Easy actioning and very lightweight. Zero recoil.

Glocks are great but they don’t have a safety or a decocker so for a beginner not such a good idea. I would say a Lady
Smith .38 or a Colt Python .357 would probably also be good choices. We keep a 9 round .22mag stubby revolver in the nightstand.


35 posted on 06/15/2013 12:52:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

A girl’s gotta do what a girl gotta do.


36 posted on 06/15/2013 12:57:50 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

You got that right. LOL!!!


37 posted on 06/15/2013 12:59:56 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Marcella
“The instructor then had them hold the slide with their off (weak) hand and push the frame forward under it with their strong hand.”

Now, why didn’t I think of that? I think that would work. Thanks for your post.

My gunsmith has tried that with me..I'm not sure if it's because it's not "instinctive", but it doesn't work for me. thus my love of my Walther.

38 posted on 06/15/2013 1:33:44 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: Chode
Reasoning? It's a gun ferchrissakes!
39 posted on 06/15/2013 2:33:08 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Marcella

Look into a S&W 351 PD, it is a 11 ounce 7 shot .22 Magnum. Hornady is making .22 Mag defense ammo that has a velocity of over 1000 feet per second out of a 2 inch barrel and will penetrate 9-11 inches in ballistic gelatin. It was I got for Mrs. Slim who does not like recoil.


40 posted on 06/15/2013 2:39:20 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Look into a S&W 351 PD, it is a 11 ounce 7 shot .22 Magnum”

That sounds excellent. I expect recoil, am prepared for it but not having it would be very good.


41 posted on 06/15/2013 3:00:03 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: DanielRedfoot; All
Why the heck would that be?

The judge is great on a farm, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be looking at the business end of it.

Why would the single that out?

California has a list of "approved" pistols for the State. You may only buy new pistols that are on the approved list. The list is fairly expensive to get on, and it has to be redone about every five years, I think, so many manufacturers do not bother for every single one of their models.

42 posted on 06/15/2013 3:01:32 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Marcella

43 posted on 06/15/2013 3:05:43 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: rktman

My wife is a Camp Perry champion with the .45; we tried the push forward method & it works great.

A neat way to open the breech is to hook your thumb in the trigger guard & push the slide back with your index finger on the recoil spring cap. Doesn’t lock open, though.

The .45 is in my nightstand; my wife told me that if we ever hear a noise in the night, I am to take the .45 out and hand it to her. She now denies having said that. BTW there is also a nice 18 1/2” coach gun behind the bedroom door.

;^)


44 posted on 06/15/2013 3:11:21 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: rktman
A lot of ranges have women's classes taught by women. Attend one and (1) learn to shoot, and (2) talk firearms alternatives over with someone who knows.

Do NOT do what my friend Roy did. I love to tell the story and I hope he forgives me. His wife is a tiny Filipina lady, one of the sweetest people on the face of the earth. So Roy teaches her to shoot with a .22 rifle. He then leaves for a couple weeks at sea, but not before showing her how to operate their 12-gauge shotgun. "It's just the same as the .22," he says, figuring that if she ever has to use it in self-defense it won't make any difference anyway.

Problem is, while he was gone she took it to the range to check it out. With magnum 00 buck loads because that's what he left her with. Then he came back. The conversation was...heated...

45 posted on 06/15/2013 3:21:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: sockmonkey

The slide on the Walther PK380 is extremely easy to operate. The grip fits most smaller hands, and you can also get it with a laser.

http://www.waltherarms.com/products/handguns/pk380/


46 posted on 06/15/2013 3:25:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Marcella

I didn’t have enough hand strength to pull back a slide on a 9mm.


I damaged the nerves in both hands. I can still rack the slide, but often my hands feel like two big catchers mitts. I carry a 45 because it feels comfortable in my hands.


47 posted on 06/15/2013 3:35:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: smokingfrog
The slide on the Walther PK380 is extremely easy to operate. The grip fits most smaller hands, and you can also get it with a laser.

If I had unlimited funds, I'd probably own a lot of Walthers.

48 posted on 06/15/2013 4:48:37 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: null and void
pretty much... like i said, as twisted as it would be
49 posted on 06/15/2013 4:55:07 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: smokingfrog

Okay, you made me look. The price is very good on that PK380, but it is larger and heavier than my concealed carry Ruger LCP .380.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 4:56:20 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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