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Is it Time for All Good Americans to go Low Tech Once Again?
Self | 06/17/13 | fwdude

Posted on 06/17/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by fwdude

Whether this latest scandal gets "resolved" or not, the cat is out of the bag - NONE of our private information is private. And with increasingly intricate and advanced technologies emerging, we can only expect the situation to get much, MUCH worse. They just won't tell us the next time, and simply "disappear" anyone who quits his classified government job.

I've always suspected that we would eventually have to again embrace low-tech methods of communication to combat government fascism such as we're now seeing. Notes in archaic or obscure languages, codes and other unsuspected methods are going to, out of necessity, come back into use by true, constitutional Americans. It will be inefficient, but will give us good practice for when the entire networked infrastructure completely collapses.


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1 posted on 06/17/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

I am looking into a HAM radio setup at the house, along with learning classical Greek, which I think should be the new official language of the New Republic.


2 posted on 06/17/2013 1:12:52 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

That gives me an idea for a story about a hand written grocery list that’s found centuries from now.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 1:14:20 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: fwdude

Use craigslist for the ham equipment and learn morse. When the NSA starts hiring 70-80 year olds to decode Morse, switch to PSK.


4 posted on 06/17/2013 1:14:59 PM PDT by struggle
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To: fwdude; Revolting cat!
Notes in archaic or obscure languages, codes and other unsuspected methods are going to, out of necessity, come back into use by true


5 posted on 06/17/2013 1:15:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: fwdude

Someone here posted a link to a video yesterday. What it said, jokingly, is that we should overwhelm the system. Every phone call, text, email, etc we should throw in terrorist talk. Say something about truck bombs or shooting people. They wouldn’t be able to investigate all the crazy talk/type.


6 posted on 06/17/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: fwdude

Bear in mind we’ve just learned thanks to the Anthrax Zombie that the Postal Service photographs every piece of mail that goes thru the system.

That leaves HAM radio and private couriers to shuffle around thumb drives.


7 posted on 06/17/2013 1:16:14 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: a fool in paradise

Hobo?


8 posted on 06/17/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: EEGator

They’ve probably not looking for truck bombs much more than they are looking for Allah Akubar.

If you want to overwhelm their system for what they are looking for, use the words “Patriot” and “Freedom”.

Although I don’t know what good it’ll do to try. I’m sure their $60 billion dollar computer system can handle the traffic.


9 posted on 06/17/2013 1:18:30 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: fwdude

Dating back the 1930s at least. Still in use.

Hobo Signs

Hobo Signs were originally created in the 30’s so that people ridin the rails could communicate. Over the years some people have stopped using them, but you can still find them if you look. The best places to find these are on the exit ramps of small towns scratched into the post, outside of abandoned buildings, squat houses, and occasionally you will find them outside churches. Especially the ones with kitchens. Every know and then you will see these symbols written on the mailboxes or houses in really small towns located next to the railway. These symbols will vary slightly from place to place, and from artist to artist. If you know the basic symbols they are pretty easy to translate no matter where you are. Most of these symbols can still be found all across the U.S. and some of them are used in Europe as well.

http://www.vagabond101.com/hobo-signs.html


10 posted on 06/17/2013 1:18:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: fwdude

We are in 1984 - only worse.


11 posted on 06/17/2013 1:18:52 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: fwdude
Where can you get some good carrier pigeons?

12 posted on 06/17/2013 1:19:14 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: MNDude

The computers definitely can, but LEOs can’t go investigate them all.


13 posted on 06/17/2013 1:19:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: struggle

Do you think they’ll be intelligent enough to do that? I mean, it is a government agency and all...


14 posted on 06/17/2013 1:19:57 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Okay, now I just have to see Barbara Billingsly speaking Hobo :)


15 posted on 06/17/2013 1:20:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MNDude

“Patriots” are an NFL franchise from Boston.
“Freedom” is a minor-league baseball team in Kentucky.

NSA computers must be spending an awful lot of time scanning sports blogs.


16 posted on 06/17/2013 1:20:29 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BitWielder1
Where can you get some good carrier pigeons?

The new Egyptian restaurant that opened here in town. I hear they're delicious.


17 posted on 06/17/2013 1:21:24 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Stentor

Anything to do with a Jewish, Catholic Saint?


18 posted on 06/17/2013 1:22:12 PM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
If you have a thumb drive you need a key board that is designed not to give off electronic signals. Don't remember to much about it but we had to use special keyboards with classified letters in the marine corps.

Another thing is just using as much cash as you can for day to day purchases. Pull it out of the bank for day to day expenditures. Things like gas, groceries, cloths, eating out, etc. If you buy a book use cash and they don't know what you are reading. If you go some where pay in cash and they won't know your where abouts.

19 posted on 06/17/2013 1:22:35 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: wastedyears

>>Do you think they’ll be intelligent enough to do that? I mean, it is a government agency and all...

Probably not - they take the easiest way out because the government has become a corpulent, listless, tax-sucker.


20 posted on 06/17/2013 1:23:30 PM PDT by struggle
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To: fwdude

Or you could just encrypt your emails. All the “low tech” methods are subject to NSA interception too, they’ve been in existence since 1949, I’m pretty sure they still have the old manuals.


21 posted on 06/17/2013 1:23:34 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

A carrier pigeon could carry a lot of info on a micro SD chip these days.


22 posted on 06/17/2013 1:23:45 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: fwdude

One can only imagine the effect if people just stopped using cell phones and email for an extended period. I think it would be awesome.


23 posted on 06/17/2013 1:24:14 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: EEGator
Every phone call, text, email, etc we should throw in terrorist talk. Say something about truck bombs or shooting people.

This is a MAJOR IDEA.

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24 posted on 06/17/2013 1:25:05 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: jimpick

The IT guy at work said to attach a garbage file to every e-mail you send.

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25 posted on 06/17/2013 1:26:21 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: a fool in paradise
We must have had some of those signs in front of our house. In the 40’s we lived on a rural road (it's now the middle of Houston). We had frequent “saddle bums”(they rode horses) who stopped by because my mother would feed them.

We had chickens and ducks, mom would save the duck eggs for the bums and we ate the chicken eggs.

26 posted on 06/17/2013 1:28:57 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: jimpick

been doing that for years

I don’t even want my bank to know where I shop and go, much less any other snoopers.

But you know, the DHS has said that people who use cash are “potential terrorists” or to be automatically suspected of being up to something illegal.


27 posted on 06/17/2013 1:29:07 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: fwdude

When the Russians decided to dump the commies back in the ‘80s, they had so few rights, they had to resort to “Samizdat,” hand-written messages passed from hand to hand or nailed on trees and telephone poles. It was one of the major reasons the commies got dumped.

Ideas whose time has come do NOT need the INTERNET.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat

My friend the far-left guy (FLG) is with us on this , and so are people of every political persuasion. Uprisings R Us


28 posted on 06/17/2013 1:30:49 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: bicyclerepair

Or just grab yourself an email ID like imamalimosque@aol.com

Since Obummer has ordered them not to spy on mosques, the NSA guys will steer a wide berth around you.


29 posted on 06/17/2013 1:31:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: fwdude; a fool in paradise
I still use the old fashioned toilet paper, instead of those newfangled technologies!


30 posted on 06/17/2013 1:31:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Veto!

LOL, I got some of that. Especially the last part. Cooking food with some PSI.


31 posted on 06/17/2013 1:31:46 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“That leaves HAM radio “

The NRO has satellites that can receive all HF/VHF/UHF ham radio traffic world wide. The NSA has the recording studios. :)


32 posted on 06/17/2013 1:31:58 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Revolting cat!
?


33 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: fwdude

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of this suggestion that we go “smoke signal” being posted on an internet forum?


34 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:21 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Veto!

Except when creating Samizdat be aware that years ago the Gov arm-twisted printer manufacturers into hiding a microstamp in every page to tell them on what machine something had been printed.

Maybe grab an old mimeograph machine from a closed-down Catholic school or something.


35 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:25 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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“But you know, the DHS has said that people who use cash are “potential terrorists” or to be automatically suspected of being up to something illegal.”

Indeed, and the wife and I are already transitioning to just plain cash.

For no other reason than to tick off the govt dorks.

As for comms, someone come up with a good means of encasing msgs in pictures (some random collection of LSBs in the pic would work....albeit with the warning that that randomess heeds to change). Keep the picture flow going - overload them.

FUBO^infinity


36 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:27 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Lorianne
They already consider me a terrorist because of my limited government mindset so why should I give them any info on me period. And besides why do they need to know how many damn carrots I eat or how often I change the oil in my car. It is none of their damn business.
37 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:49 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: Revolting cat!
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38 posted on 06/17/2013 1:33:52 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: struggle
Use craigslist for the ham equipment and learn morse. When the NSA starts hiring 70-80 year olds to decode Morse, switch to PSK.

Why do that when two CW operators can really confuse and use simple code within the CW.

39 posted on 06/17/2013 1:34:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: fwdude

Operative word is “Good” Americans... What may be voluntary today may be necessary for survival tomorrow.


40 posted on 06/17/2013 1:34:53 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: fwdude
Navajo !

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/

Stay safe !

41 posted on 06/17/2013 1:36:00 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: fwdude

We are taking steps tot change banks and close accounts that are currently online. We are not going to buy online so we will not have credit card information going out to every Tom, Dick & Harry who can hack into retail sites.


42 posted on 06/17/2013 1:36:58 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Lorianne

Or we could just write letters and mail them. Pen and paper present the writer with many opportunities to obfuscate the meaning of the message. Another tactic might be to repurpose a modified piece ofjunk mail (who looks at stuff,anyway).

Secure computer equipment is called “TEMPEST certified”.


43 posted on 06/17/2013 1:38:26 PM PDT by robertc5 (In Forida we call it Sinkhole de Mayo)
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To: Veto!
Ideas whose time has come do NOT need the INTERNET.

Expanding on that, I think high tech will be the Left's undoing in all areas. Most of the occuparasite types are absolutely addicted to modern technology and can't survive without it. It was recently discovered that a very large portion of young people really have no concrete idea where food comes from. I knew of a girl who, once she saw a potato being harvested from out of the ground, swore off french fries. Blemish-free, processed "food" was all she knew or would eat.

An old country song, "A Country Boy Can Survive" is going to see new meaning when the system of distribution and communication collapses. And Country Boys are conservative.

44 posted on 06/17/2013 1:38:58 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I’m thinking we all need several aliases. We can also use throw away phones and email addresses we use on library computers, or computers we buy second hand at Goodwill etc. that we use on public WIFIs.


45 posted on 06/17/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by Average Al ( Our founder fathers never knew we could fail due to a Techtatorship.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Excellent point. Mimeograph a good idea, and there once was stuff called Carbon Paper. What a concept.

When we assemble, we should all wear burqas. Yes, even guys. The “authorities” will not only leave us alone, they’ll guard us.


46 posted on 06/17/2013 1:39:20 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: CodeToad; Buckeye McFrog
That's no big deal...During the the real non-compassionate wars, we and the enemy always listened and monitored all frequencies/communications..It's why we/they developed all kinds of codes, on all sides...

It's extremely effective and the reason why they used it.

47 posted on 06/17/2013 1:40:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ditter

I’ve never ate a duck egg. Is there a lot of difference? I know they are bigger. Gramma used to use them for baking.


48 posted on 06/17/2013 1:41:02 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Stentor

That is a pretty good book.


49 posted on 06/17/2013 1:41:03 PM PDT by robertc5 (In Forida we call it Sinkhole de Mayo)
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To: BitWielder1

There are several breeders/racers in the south bay here...


50 posted on 06/17/2013 1:41:54 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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