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Could the Tasmanian tiger be hiding out in New Guinea?
Mongobay.com ^ | May 20, 2013 | Jeremy Hance

Posted on 06/18/2013 11:56:05 AM PDT by presidio9

Many people still believe the Tasmanian tiger (Thylacinus cynocephalus) survives in the wilds of Tasmania, even though the species was declared extinct over eighty years ago. Sightings and reports of the elusive carnivorous marsupial, which was the top predator on the island, pop-up almost as frequently as those of Bigfoot in North America, but to date no definitive evidence has emerged of its survival. Yet, a noted cryptozoologist (one who searches for hidden animals), Dr. Karl Shuker, wrote recently that tiger hunters should perhaps turn their attention to a different island: New Guinea.

The Tasmanian tiger, also known as the thylacine, once populated much of Tasmanian and mainland Australia—where it is also still searched for—but few know that the animal was present on New Guinea as well. Its prehistoric presence there first came to light in 1960 when archeologists discovered the lower jaw of a Tasmanian tiger.

"Further confirmed fossil remains, dating at over 2 million years old, have subsequently been found on New Guinea; and also in later years, unconfirmed sightings of thylacine-like beasts have been reported from both Papua New Guinea (PNG) and Irian Jaya (the western, Indonesian half of New Guinea)," Shuker told mongabay.com.

While Tasmanian tigers are believed to have died out in New Guinea at the end of the Pleistocene, Shuker believes there's a chance a population still survives on the mountainous island, which contains some of the world's least-explored terrestrial habitats.

"New Guinea, especially Irian Jaya, is far less well-explored than either Tasmania or mainland Australia, as confirmed for instance by recent expeditions to Irian Jaya's Foja Mountains, where several new and potentially new species were discovered, including a giant rat, a tiny wallaby, and a new honeyeater," Shuker says. "Consequently, there is a much greater chance of zoological novelties turning up here than elsewhere within the thylacine's former distribution range, and one such novelty may be the thylacine itself."

In fact, curious stories have filtered out of New Guinea in recent years. In Irian Jaya, some tribal groups talk of a local canine-like animal known locally as the "dobsegna." According to Shuker, descriptions of the animal—not yet confirmed or identified by scientists—track closely to the Tasmanian tiger, including a massive mouth (notably, Tasmanian tigers could open their mouths up to 120 degrees) and a long straight tail. In addition, Shuker says he does not believe the dobsegna refers to another wild canine on the island: the New Guinea singing dog.

"The singing dog is not striped (unlike the mysterious dobsegna and the thylacine), and does not have a stiffened tail (which the dobsegna does, just like the thylacine). Moreover, native tribes are very familiar with the singing dog, which they have hunted for food in the past when it was still common, whereas they seem much more wary and even frightened of the dobsegna," explains Shuker.

However, so far these reports, however tantalizing, remain just that: hear-say. No one has yet brought back proof, such as photos, videos, samples, or the Holy Grail of cryptozoologists: a living animal.

Shuker says the next step is to "send out dedicated expeditions to Irian Jaya and Papaua New Guinea in search of [the Tasmanian tiger], or in search of preserved relics of it in native villages." Some possible starting places: the forests around Mount Giluwe in Papua New Guinea's Southern Highlands and those surrounding Puncak Jaya in Indonesian New Guinea.

In fact, new conservation technologies and techniques could make determining the status of the Tasmanian tiger in New Guinea easy, at least compared to a few decades ago. Remote camera traps have been employed worldwide to document rare and cryptic forest animals, including even playing a role in discovering new species. According to local people, the mysterious dobsegna are incredibly wary and stay hidden during the day, making remote camera traps an optimal tool for confirming this animal's extinction. Another more recent breakthrough in conservation is using DNA gathered from blood-sucking invertebrates, such as leeches and flies, to determine what they have been feeding on. Scientists mix the blood-meals together and then tease out the various DNA markers. Scientists already have DNA from Tasmanian tiger pelts, making a match possible.

Even if a relic population of Tasmanian tigers survives in New Guinea, time may be running out for it and other species. In the last decade, New Guinea—both the Indonesian half and the Papua half—has seen a major expansion in deforestation and ecosystem degradation. Illegal logging, road-building, monoculture plantations, and mining are becoming rife across the country, in many cases leading to conflict between locals and overseas corporations.

But Shuker says "there are still very sizable areas presently untouched by deforestation," adding that "clearly, because of such threats to their existence, this ought to provide a major incentive for seeking and confirming their existence, should they genuinely exist, as their habitat can then (one hopes!) receive official ongoing protection, thereby ensuring their survival."

If the Tasmanian tiger still resides in the wilds of New Guinea—and it's a big if—the find would certainly be among the most amazing zoological discoveries of the last hundred years. In addition, whatever scientists or adventurers uncovered it would be immortalized in the annals of science. Of course, that's assuming that thousands of years after its presumed local extinction, the Tasmanian tiger—that wide-mouthed, tiger-striped, marsupial predator—still haunts the night forests of New Guinea.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: cryptobiology; cryptozoology; godsgravesglyphs; thylacine

1 posted on 06/18/2013 11:56:05 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: SunkenCiv; pcottraux; nickcarraway

ping


2 posted on 06/18/2013 11:59:15 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

If so, it’s not my fault.


3 posted on 06/18/2013 12:04:27 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

4 posted on 06/18/2013 12:21:29 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

If they find them, I want one.


5 posted on 06/18/2013 12:24:54 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

The Government of Tasmania passed a law giving them official protection.....59 days before the last known one died in a zoo.

Government EPIC FAIL!


6 posted on 06/18/2013 12:30:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s impossible, the government fixes all problems. /s


7 posted on 06/18/2013 12:34:14 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Buckeye McFrog; EEGator

It’s disappearance in its native range is usually attributed to government bounties.


8 posted on 06/18/2013 1:07:36 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Papua New Guinea (PNG) and Irian Jaya (the western, Indonesian half of New Guinea),"

Irian Jaya is now called "Papua". The locals want it that way.

Of all the animals on earth, the tiger is the one that I fear the most.

I live on the island of New Guinea, in Papua.

9 posted on 06/18/2013 1:40:24 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: presidio9

Save the tiger......


10 posted on 06/18/2013 2:14:53 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: Jemian

Do you really?

What are you doing there?


11 posted on 06/18/2013 2:30:47 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: njslim
10 Save the tiger......

Interesting and sad film. Saw it in my early 20s a long time ago.

12 posted on 06/18/2013 3:26:53 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: presidio9

Could be. In New Guinea it was thought by the European colonial powers that the highlands were basically deserted and that all the population was on the coasts. But the highlands turned out to be the most populated. So if people were only discovered there in the 1930’s, who can say what still is to be found there?


13 posted on 06/18/2013 3:39:44 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: EEGator
Yes, I really do live in Sentani, Papua, Indonesia.

My husband and I are teachers at Hillcrest International School.

I don't want to encounter a tiger in the wild.

14 posted on 06/18/2013 3:51:44 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: OldNewYork

Actually, the last people group that I know about was found around 1997 by an linguist/anthropolgist from Australia (I can’t remember his name) and a linguist named Mike Moxness. There have been rumors around our organization that another group is out there, but no one has been able to say definitely yet.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 3:54:42 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Jemian

That’s cool that you teach there. Those tigers looked small in the pic. I’m guessing they were nasty? Are there “regular” tigers where you are?


16 posted on 06/18/2013 4:06:53 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

There are no other tigers here. We are on the east side of the Wallace Line so our flora and fauna differs from Java and Sumatra.

It does look small in that pic, and it looks more canine than feline. We have our share of yucky dangerous things including death adders, crocodiles, cassowaries and feral pigs.


17 posted on 06/18/2013 4:11:40 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Jemian

Are you allowed to pack heat in Papua?


18 posted on 06/18/2013 5:03:48 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Jemian
I live on the island of New Guinea, in Papua.

You sure do get around. The last reference I saw on you you lived in Alabama!

19 posted on 06/18/2013 6:44:00 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

I do live in Alabama. I work over here for four years, or so, and then I’m home in Alabama for a year, and so forth.

I’ve been usually using planes, but I’m looking to switch to a cargo ship if I can figure out how to do it.


20 posted on 06/18/2013 7:06:24 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: EEGator

No, only the military is allowed guns.

However, not all weapons are guns.


21 posted on 06/18/2013 7:07:09 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Jemian

Gotcha. :)


22 posted on 06/18/2013 7:11:40 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Jemian

Very interesting. Do you know the name of the group?


23 posted on 06/19/2013 2:46:19 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

No, not off the top of my head. If you want to find out, do a search for the SIL Ethnologue. It probably has the info you’re looking for.

There are at least 250 different language groups here.


24 posted on 06/19/2013 4:18:16 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: presidio9
hiding out in New Guinea?

They're in witness protection and have changed their name to New Guinea Pigs.....

25 posted on 06/19/2013 4:24:26 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: presidio9; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks presidio9.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


26 posted on 06/20/2013 9:45:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: EEGator
If they find them, I want one.

I know what you want... but it doesn't work:


27 posted on 06/20/2013 10:16:00 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: presidio9

Interesting. Some folks apparently also think the Megalania may be alive.

http://thecryptozoologist.webs.com/apps/blog/show/15615981-megalania-prisca-dragon-of-the-australian-outback


28 posted on 06/20/2013 10:37:49 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: presidio9

I totally believe it still exists either on the Australian mainland or on some of the surrounding islands/archipelagos.

Predators are by their nature even at best of times sparsely populated and solitary. Even now I wonder about the big cats in North America, how they successfully maintain a population, with densities of one per square mile or even less...


29 posted on 06/20/2013 10:44:34 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: Jemian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine

that extinct animal is a thylacine, a marsupial...

“...Thylacinus cynocephalus, Greek for “dog-headed pouched one”) was the largest known carnivorous marsupial of modern times. It is commonly known as the Tasmanian tiger (because of its striped back) or the Tasmanian wolf.[6] Native to continental Australia, Tasmania and New Guinea, it is thought to have become extinct in the 20th century. It was the last extant member of its family, Thylacinidae; specimens of other members of the family have been found in the fossil record dating back to the early Miocene...


30 posted on 06/20/2013 11:05:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I am so glad to read your post. One less worry off my mind.


31 posted on 06/21/2013 12:54:15 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Jemian
Of all the animals on earth, the tiger is the one that I fear the most.

But I hope you don't fear THIS tiger!

War Eagle!

32 posted on 06/21/2013 5:02:01 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: roamer_1

Damn it!


33 posted on 06/21/2013 5:24:26 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Alas Babylon!

They would have to actually be good at something. :)


34 posted on 06/21/2013 5:28:15 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Alas Babylon!

No, I don’t fear Aubie.

You know, I gotta say,

It’s GREAT TO BE AN AUBURN TIGER!

War Eagle! Less than 73 days to go.


35 posted on 06/21/2013 5:59:41 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: presidio9

Exciting. Hope they still exist. They were wrongfully blamed for stock losses in Tasmania.


36 posted on 06/21/2013 12:23:47 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Altariel; presidio9; SunkenCiv; All

Recently a new large predator the Fosa was found somewhere, anyone remember that one. Also, I think in southern Australia, a 12,000 year old find of a not very sapien looking human was found called the Kow Marsh human. I saw one of their skulls in the new evolution exhibit at the Smithsonian identified as a homo sapien. I looked a lot more like a Heidelbergensis, not even a Neanderthal. If you go to to exhibit it is in the lower right hand corner of the wall of skulls.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 11:26:01 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: presidio9
Here's a picture of one with a human for scale:


38 posted on 06/29/2013 12:10:59 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: gleeaikin; blam; Fred Nerks

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils/kow-swamp


39 posted on 06/30/2013 8:08:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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thanks glee’.

Kow Swamp Archaeological Site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kow_Swamp_Archaeological_Site

[snip] The Kow Swamp archaeological site comprises a series of late Pleistocene burials within the lunette of the eastern rim of a former lake known as Kow Swamp. The site is located 10 km south-east of Cohuna in the central Murray Valley, in northern Victoria... The site is significant for archaeological excavations by Alan Thorne between 1968 and 1972 which recovered the partial skeletal remains of more than 22 individuals. [/snip]


40 posted on 06/30/2013 8:09:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: OldNewYork; Jemian; SunkenCiv
"Could be. In New Guinea it was thought by the European colonial powers that the highlands were basically deserted and that all the population was on the coasts. But the highlands turned out to be the most populated. So if people were only discovered there in the 1930’s, who can say what still is to be found there?"

I've read that the population of New Guinea is separated by DNA and elevation. This same scientist speculated that as various groups (in prehistory) migrated there the previous occupants were driven (or retreated) higher into the highlands...and, that this seems to have occurred 2-3 different times.

41 posted on 06/30/2013 9:57:09 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Jemian; OldNewYork
New Type of Ancient Human Found—Descendants Live Today?

Evolution's "new twist": Neanderthal-like "sister group" bred with humans like us.

. A previously unknown kind of human—the Denisovans—likely roamed Asia for thousands of years, probably interbreeding occasionally with humans like you and me, according to a new genetic study.

In fact, living Pacific islanders in Papua New Guinea may be distant descendants of these prehistoric pairings, according to new analysis of DNA from a girl's 40,000-year-old pinkie bone, found in Siberian Russia's Denisova cave.

The Latest from the Denisovian Cave work has found fossils and DNA from three different human species. Moderns, Neanderthal and Denisovans.

Futher DNA work on the Denisovians indicate that they bred with Neanderthals and some moderns living in New Guinea and Australia but few others...none of their DNA is found outside the above mentioned areas.

42 posted on 06/30/2013 10:13:01 AM PDT by blam
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