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Are Colorado traffic cams legal?
06-17-2013 | edcoil

Posted on 06/18/2013 12:20:09 PM PDT by edcoil

I have a question, Here's what happened, my daughter is attending college in Colorado, we are the registered owners of the car so, we were sent a traffic cam photo of her and her license play showing no current year tag sticker.

I had her take a photo of the registration and emailed it to me showing it was register. She was also stopped by a local police and he verified it was registered and said he would make a note in her file that either the sticker was either stolen or came off. We got another sticker and mailed it to her.

I have submitted to the Denver police all this and they still say I have to pay $150.00 fine.

What law was broken?


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1 posted on 06/18/2013 12:20:09 PM PDT by edcoil
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To: edcoil

Sure. The Laws and Police are there for the purpose of raising money for the Welfare State.

Anything goes.


2 posted on 06/18/2013 12:22:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: edcoil

First MISTAKE “college in Colorado” but as it looks like you are “living” in Calipornia WHAT’S THE DIFFERANCE!


3 posted on 06/18/2013 12:24:42 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Trying to slowly get everyone out of CA


4 posted on 06/18/2013 12:27:22 PM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: edcoil
Here's what happened, my daughter is attending college in Colorado, we are the registered owners of the car so, we were sent a traffic cam photo of her and her license play showing no current year tag sticker.

Does the ticket say anywhere that it is a courtesy notice or does it tell you anywhere to not contact the court?

5 posted on 06/18/2013 12:28:14 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: edcoil

I would not pay it

But I would be prepared for bureacracy nightmares too (I love them)


6 posted on 06/18/2013 12:29:33 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: edcoil
First law of all regimes:
The ruler is always right . . .
The ruled are always wrong . . .

Learn it
Love it
Live it.

7 posted on 06/18/2013 12:31:20 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: edcoil

Pay the fine. Be a good sheeple.

Or - you could take off from work and spend a day in court hoping and praying you could get off. But you won’t. If anything you might get the fine INCREASED with additional court costs and then where would you be?

Pay the fine.

(Baaaaa)


8 posted on 06/18/2013 12:36:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: edcoil

As a Denver resident I can tell you that photo cameras have nothing to do with traffic safety, the government’s purported rationale....the cowardly politicians (state and local) who are afraid to openly ask for more tax increases choose instead to come for your money through the back door via “fees”. Here we are supposed to vote on any tax increases so instead these hijacks are deemed fees. So, diminish your opinion of government a little more and just pay it.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 12:37:03 PM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: edcoil

RAT’s have taken over the state.

Is she a student at Boulder?


10 posted on 06/18/2013 12:42:59 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: edcoil
I have an old copy of the (2 inch thick) California Vehicle Code. On page 1085 there's a section titled "Application for Refund." In there it says individuals have three years after date of payment to submit an application stating grounds upon "... which it is claimed that the payment was excessive or erroneous."

Go for it.

11 posted on 06/18/2013 12:44:58 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

yes.


12 posted on 06/18/2013 12:48:31 PM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Letter stating after a review of the documents I provide it’s been determined that the citation(s) are valid and are my responsibility.

If I contest, I can go to court there.


13 posted on 06/18/2013 12:50:50 PM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: edcoil

Denver cops leave much to be desired. They could not read my proof of insurance and said it had no date on it. I had to take a day off and drive form Cedar City Utah to prove that the cop was wrong. They canceled my court appearance so it cost me gas and vacation and I did not even get my day in court.


14 posted on 06/18/2013 12:53:18 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: edcoil

In Georgia, if you stop/stall/break down/get held up by cars ahead of you in an intersection with a traffic cam and the light changes and your tag gets “snapped”, you really have no recourse but to pay the ticket. They argue that traffic cams are a safety measure, but it is nothing more than a revenue generator, and a method to track everyone’s movements and don’t think the “courts” aren’t party to the scam.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 12:54:39 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Jesus, Please Save America!)
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To: Enten

Why doesn’t someone get a proposition on the ballot to eliminate said cameras? If there are so many in Colorado opposed to the cameras it should be easy.


16 posted on 06/18/2013 1:06:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: edcoil
Was the original citation mailed to her or was she ticketed in person by a cop?

Photo radar tickets may not be worth the paper they’re written on

17 posted on 06/18/2013 1:30:19 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: edcoil
I don't know what you mean by "traffic cam." Was that photo radar, a traffic light cam or something else?

The reason they still say the fine has to be paid is because the car did not have a current sticker. The reason doesn't matter.

I had a sticker stolen from my car once. In Denver there is a traffic referee you can take the ticket too and plea bargain it down provided you can show you got a replacement sticker. I was told stealing stickers is fairly common so people don't have to have current insurance or pay a registration fee.

18 posted on 06/18/2013 3:28:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Mailed


19 posted on 06/18/2013 3:36:06 PM PDT by edcoil (When given a choice, take both.)
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To: edcoil
Letter stating after a review of the documents I provide it’s been determined that the citation(s) are valid and are my responsibility.

What does the ticket itself say? Does it say 'courtesy notice' or 'do not contact the court'? Does it have the address of the court on it?

Of course the letter is going to say that the 'citation' is valid --they want your money!

If the ticket itself says, 'courtesy notice' or 'do not contact the court', or if it doesn't have the address of the court, then it is not legally valid and you can throw it away without worry about legal repercussions.

I refer you to this page put up by the Denver Police Dept. (See: Questions about your photo citation?:

What happens if I ignore the Notice of Violation?

Failure to respond to the notice may result in a Penalty Assessment Notice being authorized by the Denver Police Department. This Penalty Assessment Notice will be personally served by a process server and will result in a service fee of at least $29.00. If a Penalty Assessment Notice is served you will be required to appear in court...

"May" is the operative word here. Note that it does not say "will" or "shall". Jury summons also use the word "May" when talking about penalties for failure to respond.

Will I receive points on my driving record for a photo speed/red light ticket?

No. Photo Speed violations are zero point Traffic Infractions that are not reported to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

When did you ever hear about a speeding ticket that was a zero-point infraction?

It sounds to me like this ticket is voluntary. Like I say if it has the words, 'courtesy notice' or 'do not contact the courts', or it doesn't have the address of the court on it, then it's a shakedown notice, not a ticket.

For more info, see: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/

20 posted on 06/18/2013 4:45:02 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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Here's the page you want to read. It has examples of the shakedown notice I was describing:

Police Going Too Far

21 posted on 06/18/2013 5:04:29 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: edcoil

Well sounds like you are just starting to see the impact of having libs running everything like in the Peoples Republic of Boulder.

This town preys on students like there is no tomorrow.

My daughter is a grad student in physics up there and she has paid enough stupid fines to get a flower bed on Pearl Street named after her.

For some unknown reason she likes it there however.

So the city is a freaken police state, yet when there is a real crime fogitaboutit. (See JonBonnet Ramsey for example)

FYI, she is not a liberal, she is a Ron/Rand Paul Libertarian.


22 posted on 06/18/2013 5:17:09 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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