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Why Does the NSA Need Over One Million Sq.Ft. of Data Storage Space?
Self | June 19, 2013 | Stayfree

Posted on 06/19/2013 10:02:49 AM PDT by Stayfree

If the NSA is not spying on all our telecommunications, then why do they need such a huge data storage facility on top of what they already have??? I think we know the answer and it is not pretty!


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; nsa; spying; vanity
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1 posted on 06/19/2013 10:02:49 AM PDT by Stayfree
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To: Stayfree

World of Warcraft?


2 posted on 06/19/2013 10:04:51 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Stayfree

Windows Vista?


3 posted on 06/19/2013 10:05:14 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Stayfree

For the MASSIVE GIGANTIC HUGE DATA WAREHOUSE BLOWOUT SALE coming Labor Day Weekend!


4 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Stayfree
If the NSA is not spying on all our telecommunications, then why do they need such a huge data storage facility on top of what they already have??? I think we know the answer and it is not pretty!

You must not really understand the NSA mission. That mission is not to spy on U.S. citizens although there are obvious and much discussed exceptions to that rule.

The NSA mission is spy on These People

There are a lot them. Storing all that data takes a lot of room.

5 posted on 06/19/2013 10:09:50 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Stayfree

You certainly don’t need that kind of space to “monitor data” in order to ferret out patterns indicating terrorist activity. No, you only need that kind of space to store mountains of data being collected every hour.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:27 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Just don’t wear white the day after the Labor Day sale.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:33 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Stayfree
Maybe they are still using these:


8 posted on 06/19/2013 10:12:04 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died, now Obama covers up the lies.)
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To: Stayfree

Why do we believe that the NSA is the only goverment agency that is efficient and doesn't waste tax money.

9 posted on 06/19/2013 10:13:23 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (A bad hair day is not a mental issue, or is it?)
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To: Stayfree

Simple answer: Because “We The People” are considered the enemy and there are roughly 150 million of us in the United States.


10 posted on 06/19/2013 10:13:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Michael.SF.
Nope.
11 posted on 06/19/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Stayfree

Don’t know but, must be pretty important to you, as you asked the quest twice.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 10:19:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Stayfree

It is obvious that they are storing every bit of information they can on all of us. They want to know who will give them trouble and who will be compliant. I would guess that the millions of people that post conservative ideas would be considered in the former category. It has also become obvious that the GOP Establishment too consider the conservative as their enemy.


13 posted on 06/19/2013 10:21:44 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: InterceptPoint

No, they are spying on all of us, because they can.


14 posted on 06/19/2013 10:22:11 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: EEGator
Just don’t wear white the day after the Labor Day sale.

Not me. I'm planning on Reynolds Foil Silver.


15 posted on 06/19/2013 10:25:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

16 posted on 06/19/2013 10:29:32 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: By and By
No, they are spying on all of us, because they can.

They have roughly 1000 "analysts". 22 are authorized to look at U.S. citizen files. What do you think the other 978 are doing?

If you think the government is or could spy on you then you are correct. You just have the wrong agency. Try these 3-letter folks on for size: DOJ, FBI, IRS, EPA ... And don't forget Google, Twitter, Facebook, FreeRepublic.com . These guys know a lot about you too.

The primary mission of the NSA is to collect foreign communications intelligence by technical means. Collecting this from Americans is incidental. That doesn't mean that it can't be abused. Of course it can. But in terms of its mission it targets foreigners and foreign governments. The CIA has a similar mission focused on foreign Human Intelligence.

If the U.S. government wants to spy on YOU it will most likely be the FBI doing the work. That's their job and their mission. Eric Holder is the boss. Does that make you feel comfortable?

17 posted on 06/19/2013 10:52:46 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

The NSA mission statement may restrict their activities to international espionage, yet there will be the inescapable interface with domestic activities. I think they spy on Americans. Perhaps you’re correct, but I doubt it. The more information that comes out “if it’s not misinformation” would indicate they are part of it.


18 posted on 06/19/2013 11:13:41 AM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Stayfree
They are constructing a microcosm of the universe, the Library of Babel.

By necessity, this microcosm will contain a microcosm of the Library of Babel itself...

http://www.thecriticalpoint.net/index_files/libraryofbabel.pdf

Either that, or they are totally spying on us.

19 posted on 06/19/2013 11:33:43 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Borges

Borges ping


20 posted on 06/19/2013 11:36:17 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Stayfree

Because they never, ever, throw anything away. Just ‘cause they didn’t read it (right...) doesn’t mean it won’t be valuable later. When the get that warrant (right....) to read someone’s mail or check their phone calls, they’ll want ALL of them.


21 posted on 06/19/2013 11:40:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: By and By

The NSA mission statement may restrict their activities to international espionage, yet there will be the inescapable interface with domestic activities. I think they spy on Americans. Perhaps you’re correct, but I doubt it. The more information that comes out “if it’s not misinformation” would indicate they are part of it.
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I’m not realy disagreeing with you.

If Al Qaeda Número Uno places a call to you then I expect that your future phone calls and E-mails will be collected by NSA. That is how, I believe, that Americans end up in the NSA database. But the assumption that Obama just calls up the head of NSA and gives them instructions to dig up some dirt up Ted Cruz or whoever is just some Freeper Fantasy. There is no evidence of that sort of thing happening despite Snowden’s inference that there is. It could happen. I don’t think it does.


22 posted on 06/19/2013 12:03:05 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Stayfree

Friday night dances?


23 posted on 06/19/2013 1:12:01 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: InterceptPoint

Thanks for the information, it was useful. I’m just like everyone else, things are going way too fast and I’m worried. From the information I read daily, I know we are in big trouble, and see little to assuage that fear.


24 posted on 06/19/2013 1:47:43 PM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Stayfree

There are 290,000,000 “potential terrorists” in the United States: everyone who voted against Obama, considered voting against Obama, or failed to vote for Obama; everyone who ones or approves of owning a firearm; all Christians, everyone who thinks Christians should have rights, and all Jews; everyone who might have edged out or turned down an NSA employee in a singles bar; and anyone who might grow up to be in one of those categories. It takes a lot of space to store everything that can be collected on those targeted threats, but how else could our leaders find the nugget of gold to put those “potential terrorists” in their place?


25 posted on 06/19/2013 2:49:30 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Stayfree
When you can now get an exabyte in a 2 foot by 3 foot by 8 feet high floor space rack enclosure, a data center that big is meant for only one thing...

TO RECORD AND STORE EVERYTHING !!!!

26 posted on 06/19/2013 9:49:30 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: ThomasThomas

What’s with the dryer in the rack?


27 posted on 06/19/2013 9:51:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

>> When you can now get an exabyte in a 2 foot by 3 foot by 8 feet high floor space rack enclosure

I still have an Exabyte that only takes 1RU. Are you possibly referring to an Ampex?


28 posted on 06/19/2013 9:54:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

I am referring to high speed FLASH storage.


29 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:20 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Stayfree
When it comes to data storage, one expert is Brewster Kahle, the guy behind the Wayback Machine, which attempts to snapshot the internet in time, allowing you to see how a site looked way back when.

Recently, he addressed a storage question of interest to NSA, namely, how much would it cost to archive a year's worth of phone calls (the actual calls, not just the metadata). You can review his back of the envelope calculation here.

His estimate seems reasonable. A year and half ago, I bought a 2 TB external drive for $200 at the Apple Store. You'd need 500 such drives to store a petabyte. Kahle prices a petabyte at at $100K, which agrees on the nose. Kahle estimates the annual phone traffic at 272 petabytes, costing $27.2m for storage. His bottom line is $29m and change.

Of course, that leaves out a lot of miscellaneous overhead costs you incur if you are NSA (e.g., Q-Group salaries to chase Snowden). But, nevertheless, the total is pocket change for the NSA's $10+b budget.

30 posted on 06/19/2013 10:30:47 PM PDT by cynwoody
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