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Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere four billion years ago
Guardian UK ^ | Wednesday 19 June 2013 13.00 EDT

Posted on 06/19/2013 10:11:10 AM PDT by Perdogg

Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere more than a billion years before the Earth, say scientists. An examination of meteorites and rocks on the planet suggests that oxygen was affecting the Martian surface four billion years ago.

On Earth, oxygen did not build up to appreciable quantities in the atmosphere for at least another 1.5bn years

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 06/19/2013 10:11:10 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Breaking News... Neither Mars nor Earth was here 4 Billion years ago..whatever


2 posted on 06/19/2013 10:13:29 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Perdogg

Then man came along, burned his fossil fuels, and screwed it all up. Oh, wait, that was Venus. Nevermind.


3 posted on 06/19/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Perdogg

Breaking News.........The last ice age ended due to global warming caused by the cave man burning too many twigs!


4 posted on 06/19/2013 10:17:49 AM PDT by entropy12 (Even tho Obama is now a lame duck, with 2014 House majority, he will be a dangerously socialist!)
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To: Perdogg
Hmmmm? Free oxygen? O2?

In the absence of life and the presence of pretty much anything else that just doesn't happen.

5 posted on 06/19/2013 10:18:09 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Friendofgeorge

True, in a way. The entire Galaxy was somewhere else four billion years ago. Everything is in motion dontchaknow.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 10:19:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Perdogg

Climate change probably.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 10:20:26 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died, now Obama covers up the lies.)
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To: Perdogg

we’ve just gotta find a way to get past those mutants and reach the control panel on the generator and...


8 posted on 06/19/2013 10:21:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perdogg
Dead Mars, Dying Earth.

I make no representation regarding the scientific accuracy of the book or the sanity of the authors.

9 posted on 06/19/2013 10:23:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Perdogg
The whole reason Mars has no atmosphere of any gas is that it's mass is not great enough to hold any gas close to the surface. Are they saying Mars was bigger back then? If we released an atmosphere on Mars it would just dissipate into space in a short time. It would never be thick enough to breath for any length of time. Ergo my theory that we are looking for life that never could have existed.

Anytime I see this stuff, I always look at some study group looking for grant money.

10 posted on 06/19/2013 10:23:33 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: MHGinTN

Was speaking of my Christian Bible, ask someone like Franklin Graham how old the world is

They, so called scientists, have no idea how old things are past a certain point

Plus they are blinded as are all non Believers, there is a veil over their understanding, until they accept Christ

Even carbon dating, they are fooling themselves


11 posted on 06/19/2013 10:24:15 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

no, they were but just a half-billion years old. Doesn’t seem right for there to be free O2 (’Free O2’ is also a good band name; especially when one takes into account how cool it looks on the marque) at such an early age.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 10:24:22 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: MHGinTN

Everything in face is falling...somewhere. Our solar system is just all falling together. As is our galaxy.


13 posted on 06/19/2013 10:24:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

face = space.

No, really! ;-)


14 posted on 06/19/2013 10:26:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Perdogg

Perhaps in 4 billion years, when Venus is habitable by life like us, scientists will discover that Earth once had an oxygen rich atmosphere.


15 posted on 06/19/2013 10:27:13 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tactical Awareness. Use your brain. Then bring the pain.)
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To: chuckles
Yup, Mars is a runt.


16 posted on 06/19/2013 10:27:32 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: chuckles
Mars owes its dry and dusty appearance to its wispy atmosphere, less than 1 percent of the thickness of the Earth's. But it wasn't always that way: The Red Planet formerly had a much thicker atmosphere that probably allowed for liquid water on the surface, an atmosphere that was depleted when the planet's magnetic field faded away.
17 posted on 06/19/2013 10:32:00 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I am a Christian. Can you tell me when the where/when of the being who wrote on the palace wall in Daniel Chapter five was created?

I mean, if you want to use the Bible and only the Bible as sole authority on things, what do you do with the things the Bible does not address?

What do you do with the obvious blanks God left in the record regarding the timing of things and the transposition of time scales? From God's perspective at the moment of Creation of the entire Universe, not even seven days have finished [see Dr Schroeder's explanation at http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx] .

From our perspective looking back to the moment of Creation, approximately fifteen billion years have elapsed.

As Christians we are instructed to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. That doesn't mean have an open mind so open that your brains/common sense fall out. Nor does it mean that you should close you mind to anything that is not straight from the Bible.

18 posted on 06/19/2013 10:37:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Perdogg

What we do know is that they haven’t found beer, porn or ESPN so therefore: Men are not from Mars.


19 posted on 06/19/2013 10:40:38 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: HerrBlucher
IMO, and just my opinion because I'm a Christian, There is NO other life other than what was covered in the Bible. If there is space aliens, they are either demons or angels, otherwise I believe it is just wishful thinking by non believers to prove the Bible a mistake. All other opinions are people wanting money to study nothing. A whole industry( which I support,BTW) NASA needs money for pure research. I love science, but what is going on today is more religion than science. Their religion DEMANDS that there MUST be life elsewhere and that will prove there is no God. It has nothing to do with establishing facts, but furthering unprovable myths that change every few years.

Any anomalies that don't fit their paradigm are just thrown overboard until they can no longer support the theory and look sane. Many scientific carriers have ended trying to go against the accepted theory only to be proved wrong later.

20 posted on 06/19/2013 10:43:16 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: MHGinTN; Friendofgeorge

The internet is nowhere to be found in the Bible. If one believes that something not in the Bible doesn’t exist and couldn’t have happened, posting that factoid on the web is somewhat inconsistent...


21 posted on 06/19/2013 10:43:38 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

It is, in my honest opinion, better to use an actual passage from the Bible to show how not all things are explained in the Bible. That’s why I use the fifth chapter of Daniel scene. The hand was attached to an arm which was attached to a living body which was standing or floating in a where/when not available to those in palace party central.


22 posted on 06/19/2013 10:46:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Moonman62
So Popular Mechanics is the new paradigm of all knowledge?

These are just theories. Nothing wrong with theories, but there are just as many that say other things.

23 posted on 06/19/2013 10:47:43 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
There is NO other life other than what was covered in the Bible. If there is space aliens, they are either demons

You do know that exactly that very reasoning was used as an excuse to murder whole tribes of American Indians, don't you?

24 posted on 06/19/2013 10:51:08 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void; chuckles

Demons according to the bible can only be cast out or avoided, there are no examples of demons being killed. Jesus cast out demons, he did not kill them. The bible warns us to stay away from demons and it calls for them to be cast out of those they possess.


25 posted on 06/19/2013 10:58:16 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Yep. Yet the natives were murdered none-the-less, weren’t they?


26 posted on 06/19/2013 11:00:31 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: chuckles

You can believe what you want, but I’m glad the earth has a strong and persistent magnetic field.


27 posted on 06/19/2013 11:01:24 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

This is a science thread so you’ll need to provide evidence.


28 posted on 06/19/2013 11:01:48 AM PDT by albionin ( ,)
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To: null and void

Two questions:

1. Is the biblical text responsible for intentionally misuse of exegesis?

2. Is the value of the biblical text dependent on those who intentionally misuse exegesis?

To demonstrate logical problem your criticism in another argument, if the Indians were killed with firearms:

1. Is the firearm responsible for the intentional misuse of firearms?

2. Is the value of firearms eliminated because they were intentionally misused?


29 posted on 06/19/2013 11:20:13 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Moonman62

I’m glad too and am concerned that it’s moving. I believe the field swapped ends during Genesis and may do it again. Look up the birth of Peleg in Genesis.


30 posted on 06/19/2013 11:22:53 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: null and void

True. That’s quite a remarkable discovery if it bears out.


31 posted on 06/19/2013 11:23:14 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Moonman62
You can believe what you want, but I’m glad the earth has a strong and persistent magnetic field.

Yeah! Otherwise our atmosphere would be swept away into interstellar space like Mars and Venus!

32 posted on 06/19/2013 11:27:28 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Raycpa
Two questions:

1. Is the biblical text responsible for intentionally misuse of exegesis?

No.

2. Is the value of the biblical text dependent on those who intentionally misuse exegesis?

No.

Would I be a decent person if I did not speak out against a future misuse, that of the Bible to justify an attempted wholesale slaughter of people from another world?

To demonstrate logical problem your criticism in another argument, if the Indians were killed with firearms:

1. Is the firearm responsible for the intentional misuse of firearms?

No.

If you know someone has a mindset to misuse a firearm, would you have some slight level of responsibility if you knew that and could educate them to a better mindset and didn't even try?

2. Is the value of firearms eliminated because they were intentionally misused?

Not in the slightest.

(BTW, that was four questions, I counted...)

33 posted on 06/19/2013 11:35:56 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Same questions but different application.


34 posted on 06/19/2013 11:38:04 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: chuckles

“There is NO other life other than what was covered in the Bible”

The Duck-Billed Playtpus isn’t mentioned in the Bible. Neither is the Tetanus bacilli or the Small Pox virus. Does they mean they don’t really exist?


35 posted on 06/19/2013 11:42:44 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

They deny the flood and the common sense that indicates the Earth and Universe are just not that old. The carbon dating is skewed b/c Noah’s Flood would have buried all the land animals and plants on Earth. The 2nd link below provides a graph that adjusts carbon dating for just such a problem.

101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

Einstein posited gravitational time dilation which thereby allows for apparent faster movement of time and space in lower gravitational fields - just another fact that is often overlooked when they choose to ascribe millions and billions of years to rocks, planets and starlight.

Starlight and Time by Russell Humpheys
The key to the starlight and age of the universe is ‘gravitational time dilation’.


36 posted on 06/19/2013 11:49:15 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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The carbon dating is skewed b/c Noah’s Flood would have buried all the land animals and plants on Earth.

What????

37 posted on 06/19/2013 11:55:00 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Raycpa

Fair enough.


38 posted on 06/19/2013 11:57:46 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Raycpa

Demons can’t be “killed” - because they don’t have a living body. One could also gather that it is impossible to destroy them.

The demons even asked Jesus if he’d come to torment them before their time, not that they feared “dying” or being destroyed.


39 posted on 06/19/2013 12:01:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: null and void

OK - just ‘all the land animals and plants’ except for one boatload of animals whose fur and hair most likely held some of the seeds for plant regeneration (i.e. any of those plants alive today that could not withstand upto 1 year under water anyways).

I’ve spent over 30 years studying what science says and what the Bible says. Only one source does not change and is also irrefutable imho. If you study these link I provided then you begin to see the worldview that aligns with the God of Truth Justice and the only Way.


40 posted on 06/19/2013 12:01:59 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: chuckles

Mars does not have a magnetic field like earth

Over the eons charged particles from solar wind stripped off the atmosphere


41 posted on 06/19/2013 12:04:36 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: null and void
The weak magnetosphere around Venus means the solar wind is interacting directly with the outer atmosphere of the planet. Here, ions of hydrogen and oxygen are being created by the dissociation of neutral molecules from ultraviolet radiation. The solar wind then supplies energy that gives some of these ions sufficient velocity to escape the planet's gravity field. This erosion process results in a steady loss of low-mass hydrogen, helium, and oxygen ions, while higher-mass molecules, such as carbon dioxide, are more likely to be retained. Atmospheric erosion by the solar wind probably led to the loss of most of the planet's water during the first billion years after it formed.
42 posted on 06/19/2013 12:10:30 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

You do know that carbon 14 is generated in the upper atmosphere at a known rate, and decays over time at a known rate, don’t you?

You also do know that carbon 14 dating is based on the ratio of carbon 14 to carbon 12, and if you suck (or bury) a whole bunch of carbon out of the system, the ratio of the remainder doesn’t change in the slightest.

That vast amounts of carbon were buried doesn’t change anything with regards to carbon 14 dating, any more than shooting 99% of the population at random would change the ratio of surviving males and females.

I assume you also know that tree ring dating, which uses the width of growth rings, which in turn varies year by year depending on weather and climate, and produces year-related patterns as distinctive as fingerprints, shows unbroken overlapping patterns of rings going back tens of thousands of years, don’t you?


43 posted on 06/19/2013 12:15:02 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: njslim
Mars does not have a magnetic field like earth

Neither does Venus, and it is a LOT closer to the furnace.

Over the eons charged particles from solar wind stripped off the atmosphere

And still, Venus has a stiflingly thick atmosphere.

44 posted on 06/19/2013 12:17:32 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Moonman62
Yet there is still plenty of hydrogen in the sulfuric acid atmosphere? H2SO4?

Go figure!

Off on a long trip, BBL

45 posted on 06/19/2013 12:20:28 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: BrandtMichaels
The carbon dating is skewed b/c Noah’s Flood would have buried all the land animals and plants on Earth.

Did it bury all the nitrogen too? Zoinks!

46 posted on 06/19/2013 12:36:09 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Back then it was called Barsoom.


47 posted on 06/19/2013 1:02:21 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: null and void

Sulfuric acid is made from other trace compounds and elements in the atmosphere. There isn't much of it.

Sulfuric acid is produced in the upper atmosphere by the sun's photochemical action on carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and water vapour. Ultraviolet photons of wavelengths less than 169 nm can photodissociate carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide and atomic oxygen. Atomic oxygen is highly reactive; when it reacts with sulfur dioxide, a trace component of the Venusian atmosphere, the result is sulfur trioxide, which can combine with water vapour, another trace component of Venus's atmosphere, to yield sulfuric acid.

And the atmosphere is still losing water from what little it has.

48 posted on 06/19/2013 1:07:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

BIG LOL!!!!! :)


49 posted on 06/19/2013 1:28:35 PM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: MHGinTN

That was a beautiful and thoughtful response to some true nonsense - bless you! You do understand


50 posted on 06/19/2013 3:26:59 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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