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Famed Non-Automotive Journalist Michael Hastings Turns A C250 Into A “Bomb”
The Truth About Cars ^ | June 19, 2013 | Jack Baruth

Posted on 06/19/2013 4:04:13 PM PDT by jjotto

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"...I’m here to state that I’ve seen dozens of cars hit walls and stuff at high speeds and the number of them that I have observed to eject their powertrains and immediately catch massive fire is, um, ah, zero.

Modern cars are very good at not catching fire in accidents. The Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which is an evolutionary design from a company known for sweating the safety details over and above the Euro NCAP requirements, should be leading the pack in the not-catching-on-fire category."

1 posted on 06/19/2013 4:04:13 PM PDT by jjotto
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Best video I’ve seen of the immediate aftermath of wreck:

http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood/#axzz2Wc62vgTS


2 posted on 06/19/2013 4:06:34 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

We don’t live in a free country.


3 posted on 06/19/2013 4:07:55 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: jjotto

probably has something to do with Princess Die. I mean, Di.


4 posted on 06/19/2013 4:08:30 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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idunno. either there was a muslim in backseat who overpowered him and rammed the car into a that tree, or it’s a suicide.


5 posted on 06/19/2013 4:11:54 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: jjotto

The crash does seem odd. I was wondering if there is some design flaw with that car? or it impacted at JUST the right area?

Especially since it was a palm tree he hit, they’re pretty springy/spongy -Fort Sumter. I think if the car hadn’t exploded into fire, he would have made it with a few bumps and bruises.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 4:15:26 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: jjotto

I’ll suggest the time of the accident is the clue:

4:15 am.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 4:16:57 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: jjotto

I’ve seen a tractor-trailer rig jackknife.

Never seen a car do it.


8 posted on 06/19/2013 4:18:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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Modern cars are very good at not catching fire in accidents.

I think Jeremy [Clarkson], James [May] and Richard [Hammond] could manage it.

9 posted on 06/19/2013 4:19:34 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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Cars don’t “jack-knife.” What the heck are they talking about?


10 posted on 06/19/2013 4:20:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: reg45

“Our challenge today it to complete this off road rally with a fully engulfed hibachi surrounded by copies of the Daily Mail in the boot.” < /Clarkson>


11 posted on 06/19/2013 4:21:54 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: smokingfrog

I think “jackknife” is just a dramatic word reporters have heard related to terrible truck accidents but they don’t know what such an accident entails or, probably, what a jackknife is.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 4:23:07 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: smokingfrog; UCANSEE2

I presume by “jack knife” they meant the back end came around. It is a rear wheel drive car.


13 posted on 06/19/2013 4:26:40 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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If you’re overweight and stressed and have a heart condition, they give you a puff of “instant heart attack.”
(Untraceable, unless you know the precise exotic compound and test for it the first day or two.)

If you drive a sports car, you jackknife and blow up in a fireball.

Just saying.


14 posted on 06/19/2013 4:28:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: truth_seeker

You don’t suppose the drugs and alcohol were involved, do you? At 4:15 a.m., where was he coming from?


15 posted on 06/19/2013 4:43:33 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: jjotto

From your video, I would suggest an excellerent was involved. Car fires are usually contained to just one area and from the video you can see someone hosing the car with water. That car is fully engulfed.

Smells.


16 posted on 06/19/2013 4:44:42 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: jjotto

As a firefighter is rare for vehicle to catch fire after accident

Also single vehicle accident into tree - aka driver
drunk/stoned/texting


17 posted on 06/19/2013 4:47:37 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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I drive an older C230 Kompressor ,, same car but with a mechanical supercharger rather than a turbo (about an 8 hp difference.. but I have zero turbo lag) ... some points to consider ... If driven for more than a few minutes at high power output levels the turbo will be glowing red/yellow hot and could easily ignite a fuel spray ... the M288 motor (used since 2003) is a direct injection motor so the fuel pressure is VERY high ,, similar to a diesel... after watching the video it appears as if he hit the palm straight on with the one of the frame rails (probably breaking the motor mount on that side),, nothing directly in front to impede the ejection of the motor/trans (remember the motor is held in by three mounts ,, both sides and a mount at the tranny , the driveshaft is usually a slip fit into the tranny...the motor mounts are designed to control left/right rocking motion , not a front/rear pull) at 100mph that would have an enormous amount of kinetic energy.. The battery is underhood in this car and adjacent to the firewall ,, a potential source of ignition/sparks.. The car is very well behaved and responds precisely ,, as it is fairly new I would say the chance of a mechanical failure is quite small.. I say chances are this was pilot error ,, the best evidence is the speed and the time of day (night) ,, probably impaired if not by drink then by simply being tired.


18 posted on 06/19/2013 4:49:52 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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We always called that “swap ends”.

Hard to see how the term ‘jack knife’ occurred to anyone.


19 posted on 06/19/2013 4:52:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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...single vehicle accident into tree - aka driver drunk/stoned/texting...

High rate of speed and starting to spin out indicates passed out or incapacitated while leaning on the accelerator.

High-profile young guy in classy LA neighborhood at 4 am: Somebody was with him partying and they won't keep quiet for long.

20 posted on 06/19/2013 4:52:30 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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