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There Could Be ‘Hundreds’ of Nazi War Criminals Still Living in the United States
New York Magazine ^ | 6/21/2013

Posted on 06/21/2013 12:23:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway

When 94-year-old Minnesotan Michael Karkoc was revealed to be a Nazi war criminal last Friday — thanks to the ill-advised tell-all memoir he published — his friends and neighbors were, understandably, shocked. An actual OG Nazi! In Minnesota! In the year 2013! It's almost incomprehensible.

But Rabbi Marvin Hier, the founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center — named after the world's foremost Nazi hunter — was hardly surprised. When we asked him how many Nazi war criminals may be living in the United States, Hier told Daily Intelligencer, "It could be hundreds."

"Normally I would have said thousands," he added, "but they’re in their eighties and nineties, and many of them may have died. So it’s very hard to give you an exact figure of how many cases there are like the one in Minnesota in other parts of the United States. But it is fair to say that there could be many."

Nazi war criminals are, obviously, not America's ideal immigrants. So how did this happen, exactly?

In the forties and fifties, "immigration officials were not sufficiently briefed and knowledgeable about the [Nazi] auxiliary units," Hier says. "They thought of the SS in terms of Germans or Austrians, but they didn't know that wherever Hitler went, there were groups of citizens of those countries that assisted the SS in their tasks. That knowledge came much later on." And when these local collaborators sought entry into the United States, "they had a common story, which was they were escaping communism."

A 2008 report by the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations entitled "Striving for Accountability in the Aftermath of the Holocaust" states that "one of OSI's early Directors hypothesized in 1984 that approximately 10,000 Nazi persecutors had emigrated to the United States." However, the report added, "In retrospect, that estimate seems high."

Of those Nazi collaborators who did make it into the United States, many are long dead. But a lot of them, presumably, aren't.

"You have to take into account that at least many tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of men (and some women) were participants in these crimes at a relatively young age," says Efraim Zuroff, the director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Israel office and "the world’s last active Nazi hunter," according to the Times of Israel. "And that thanks to the progress of modern medicine, many live today to age 90 and above."

"I often say that people without a conscience live longer," Zuroff quips. "Less stress."

It's still likely that the harmless-seeming nonagenarian next door who gives out dried apricots on Halloween and wears old-timey hats and spends twelve minutes grabbing the morning paper is not, in fact, a Nazi war criminal. But, at the same time ... we'd watch out for those apricots.


TOPICS: History; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: nazis; naziwarcriminals

1 posted on 06/21/2013 12:23:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

They are all probably at least 90 years old. It is doubtful the court system could move fast enough to deport them even if they are ID’d. Provided we could find any country willing to take them.


2 posted on 06/21/2013 12:25:47 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nickcarraway

I’ll bet they are all registered DemocRATS too.


3 posted on 06/21/2013 12:26:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain and "The Flake" have got to go.)
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To: nickcarraway

Big Deal! We have a Kenyan fraud POS in the White House !


4 posted on 06/21/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe we can get a rider on the immigration abomination to let them stay. Hey, apparently we’ll let anybody in, especially folks who fundamentally agree with the muzzie bro’hood.....


5 posted on 06/21/2013 12:27:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: nickcarraway

How many of them are Czars for this Adminstration?


6 posted on 06/21/2013 12:28:57 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: nickcarraway

And at this point I don’t care we have a new crop of Nazi’s in charge now.


7 posted on 06/21/2013 12:28:59 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: nickcarraway

Let’s put up signs. “Nazi war criminal free zone!”


8 posted on 06/21/2013 12:29:16 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: nickcarraway

Let’s concern ourselelves with the Chi=town thugs that are robbing us blind and destroying the country.


9 posted on 06/21/2013 12:29:17 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: nickcarraway

Please attach each of them to a few Muslims, who are worse than Nazis, and ship them out of the country. Maybe we can work it out as part of an exchange with Mexico on the immigration scam.


10 posted on 06/21/2013 12:32:38 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Buckeye McFrog

So, you support illegal immigration? This guy in Minnesota lied on his immigration form. If he lied and it is unchallenged, why should anyone else get called on it?


11 posted on 06/21/2013 12:33:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

We’re still fighting the last war, I see.

Its certainly better than fighting the present war. The historical interpretation is settled, no 90 year-old Nazis are going to set off bombs in the streets (if they even still exist) and even the most idiotic leftist can agree that we all hate Nazis

On the other hand, the present war, which is being brought to the USA by 20 or 30 year-olds from the M.E., North Africa and the Caucuses, is a bit more tricky....


12 posted on 06/21/2013 12:33:58 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: pallis

Where are Muslim concentration camps


13 posted on 06/21/2013 12:34:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Renegade

Big Deal! We have a Kenyan fraud POS in the White House !


Any time I hear someone complain about a law being broken or an unsavory character, etc., I say that same thing.

Some old Nazis living here? Big deal, we’ve got an American hating, evil bastard in our White House who is doing all he can to destroy this country.


14 posted on 06/21/2013 12:34:12 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: nickcarraway

***Nazi war criminals are, obviously, not America’s ideal immigrants.***

But drug cartels, gangbangers, terrorists, and all-around bottom feeders are, right?


15 posted on 06/21/2013 12:34:22 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: PGR88

I guess you are a vote for illegal immigration.


16 posted on 06/21/2013 12:35:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

And if they didn’t exist, we’d have to invent them.

And in 10 years time we will. They’re good for fundraisers, letters to the editor and phone calls to Congress.


17 posted on 06/21/2013 12:37:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: nickcarraway

Why didn’t the Allies just negotiate with the Nazis, to end the war earlier? Why did they insist on an unconditional surrender?

(For anyone, who hasn’t had their morning coffee: the above was a snarky allusion to Obama’s recent calls for a negotiated settlement with the Taliban.)


18 posted on 06/21/2013 12:43:08 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: nickcarraway

When are we going to prosecute Soros ?


19 posted on 06/21/2013 12:45:29 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

How could he prosecute himself?


20 posted on 06/21/2013 12:46:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

*sigh*


21 posted on 06/21/2013 12:47:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: nickcarraway

Perhaps 10’s still living, but I doubt hundreds as they would have to be 90+ years old. What they did was evil and sadly they got away with it. However all will very soon face the Ultimate Judge and have to account for what they did.


22 posted on 06/21/2013 12:48:53 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I don’t think the Allies were ever given a surrender proposal. There was some talk of Hitler abdicating in favor of Doenitz and him surrendering, but I don’t think an agreement was really possible until Hitler was no longer alive.


23 posted on 06/21/2013 12:53:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I think they are all democrats


24 posted on 06/21/2013 12:56:00 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: nickcarraway

Could be?

Why not snoop on THEM?


25 posted on 06/21/2013 12:59:51 PM PDT by SMARTY (“The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. “Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: nickcarraway
True (as far as we know). There is some evidence that Hitler would have been willing to make an accommodation with Britain, early in the war. Chamberlain certainly thought so. However, I was referring to the fact (as far as we know) that the Allies never offered to settle with the Nazis -- they pushed forward, until they had an unconditional surrender.


26 posted on 06/21/2013 1:11:47 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: nickcarraway

The problem is with the definition of war criminal. For example, I knew a man living in the US, now deceased, who when he turned 17, was drafted, issued a wife his age, he had never met before, given an SS uniform and put on a plane to fight the Russians, who were nearing Berlin at the time.

That is, the war was within a week or two of officially ending. He did not fire a shot. He ditched his uniform and after the chaos, and eventually emigrated to the US. Oddly enough, he stayed married to his new wife.

While the unofficial US policy at the time was to immediately hang any SS personnel captured; the Russians put out death warrants based on entire units. So, as far as the Russians were concerned, he was sentenced to death and was a war criminal. The French made many of the SS Legionnaires, and sent many to French Indochina, aka Vietnam. To fight communists.

But it is from the Russians that most of the remaining information about Nazi war criminals comes. And they have long been known to fabricate information when they didn’t have any.

So truthfully, if you’re talking real war criminals in the US, probably fewer than a dozen living, and of them, most so far gone in old age that they probably barely remember who they were. Face it, the war ended almost 70 years ago.


27 posted on 06/21/2013 1:13:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh no. We’d better setup surveillance on every nursing home, shuffleboard court, and bingo parlor in the country, just to be safe.


28 posted on 06/21/2013 1:13:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

From a U.S. perspective, that was is a secondary issue, right?
First, they lied on their immigration form.


29 posted on 06/21/2013 1:18:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I guess you are a vote for illegal immigration.

Huh? Because there are may be a dozen undiscovered ex-Nazis in the USA, I am for illegal immigration???

30 posted on 06/21/2013 1:23:44 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: MichaelCorleone

Hell, most nazi war criminals who immigrated here were model citizens, because they didn’t want to do anything to arouse suspicion.


31 posted on 06/21/2013 1:25:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway

And they’ll all be over 80. Let ‘em alone. They’ll be standing at the Mercy Seat soon enough.


32 posted on 06/21/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: nickcarraway

At this point, what difference does it make?


33 posted on 06/21/2013 1:34:41 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Little Ray

I guess Hollywood thrillers can continue using them as their standard terrorist enemy instead of the ones we see every day worldwide.


34 posted on 06/21/2013 1:35:40 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: nickcarraway
From a U.S. perspective, that was is a secondary issue, right? First, they lied on their immigration form.

Immigration is the only issue, we haven't prosecuted these people criminally since the the late 40s. If deported, I wouldn't be surprised if Poland wanted Karkoc.

35 posted on 06/21/2013 1:37:25 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: nickcarraway

That is well known. George Soros is there, no?


36 posted on 06/21/2013 1:38:40 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: nickcarraway; a fool in paradise

Don’t they have a lobby organization in D.C. on K Street - United Nazi War Criminals of America? Everybody else does!


37 posted on 06/21/2013 1:41:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The problem is with the definition of war criminal.

True. Also, a lot of the higher-ups who supervised were (wrongly) already acquitted by the Germans.

38 posted on 06/21/2013 1:41:20 PM PDT by x
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To: nickcarraway; Revolting cat!
"I often say that people without a conscience live longer," Zuroff quips. "Less stress."

The Clintons will each be ringing in hundred year birthdays.

39 posted on 06/21/2013 2:03:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, and most of them live in D. C.


40 posted on 06/21/2013 2:13:45 PM PDT by V K Lee
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To: The Great RJ

And those who are truly repentant of what awful things they might have committed during WWII will still be forgiven and receive the same reward that those get that have always lived a virtuous life.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 2:31:47 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Even at that — they did a better job of assimilating than have recent migrants from places other than Europe and Asia.


42 posted on 06/21/2013 2:32:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We’ll Karkoc lives in a “sanctuary city”.


43 posted on 06/21/2013 2:33:58 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe Obama will offer them “amnesty” for being “undocumented immigrants”.


44 posted on 06/21/2013 2:36:23 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: clintonh8r

One got the medal of Freedom—Dr. Von Baum inventor of the V-2 and the runner of the underground slave factory that built them (in fairness—the prison worker were fed slightly better there than they were at the other Nazi death camps)
. The science that got America to the moon was built upon blood—English and Dutch blood by Von Baum (who was a member of the Nazi Party) and his team. We forgave him—why not the rest?


45 posted on 06/21/2013 2:44:57 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nickcarraway

Concentration camps aren’t my yardstick for measuring the evil and dangers of a given belief system. Certainly Islam has had its genocidal moments, and those moments aren’t over. It is my opinion that at this point in history, Islam poses a far greater threat to Western civilization than Nazisim and old Nazis. However, I do understand your point, and my comment was probably too flippant to be used on the subject of Nazi war criminals, all of whom should be removed from our borders, regardless of their age.


46 posted on 06/21/2013 2:47:21 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

I see your point, but I feel leftism is a much greater threat to us than Muslims. They may be using Muslims temporarily, but they will destroy Muslims when they are finished with us.


47 posted on 06/21/2013 2:52:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: PGR88
We’re still fighting the last war, I see.

They probably worked hard, paid their taxes and were simply looking for a better life for themselves and their children. Deporting them would break up their families.

48 posted on 06/21/2013 3:22:25 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: nickcarraway
Wonder if the US was still looking for these men after 1913.

Or these.


49 posted on 06/21/2013 4:02:25 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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