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Catholic League’s Donohue defends Obama
NCR ^ | Jun. 21, 2013 | Heidi Schlumpf

Posted on 06/22/2013 2:25:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Wow, stop the presses. Bill Donohue of the Catholic League has issued a statement reprimanding conservatives who have taken out of context President Obama’s comments about Catholic schools in a recent speech in Ireland:

(T)he reaction on the part of conservatives, many of whom are Catholic, over (Obama’s) speech in Ireland, is simply insane. Never did Obama say he wants “an end to Catholic education.” Indeed, he never said anything critical about the nature of Catholic schools. It makes me wonder: Have any of his critics bothered to actually read his speech? …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: billdonahue; billdonohue; catholicleague; northernireland; obama
Donahue got this wrong, big time. Many of us have indeed read the whole speech, and even in context, it is an attack on parochial schools to the effect that they are a primary cause of the division in Northern Ireland towns, and by extension to the troubles themselves. Putting words in the critics’ mouths is no help to Donahue (and no, it won’t get the IRS off his back). Nor is leaving out the fact that the biggest troublemakers in Nothern Ireland were/are in fact hardcore atheistic socialists (the IRA).
1 posted on 06/22/2013 2:25:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Donahue is INSANE sometimes! This is one of them.


2 posted on 06/22/2013 2:34:47 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Olog-hai

While agreeing O’Donnell is wrong if that’s what he said. Dont forget this much too often is a CINO lefty rag.
Obama: ‘If Catholics (and Protestants) Have Their Schools ... That Encourages Division’
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:29:13 PM · 46 of 51
mosesdapoet to Zakeet

WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ? This weekend address of 6/18/13 to the Irish might make it to the national scene but our media will sit on it.
The Democrats after taking complete control since even losing the House in 2010 had the word and reference to GOD removed at their 2012 national convention. A fact that went un-noticed and un-touched by the RINOS and GOPES (GOP elite snobs) who are running todays Republican party.

Even after reconsideration the decision was derided by the majority because it was re-installed over a majority voice vote supporting the removal.

If this were a political party in a parlimentary system it would be hyphenated and would (and should despite the difference) be refered to as the Demo-Com party. But the RINOS and GOPES can’t even call them “socialist”.

Any Catholic or Christian claiming to belong to this party is a hyprocrite and should be confronted with disgust and distain.


3 posted on 06/22/2013 3:10:10 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet
Just for reference, here is Donohue’s own article on the matter. AFAICS, he is deliberately misleading by saying Obama was “condemning segregation” per se, and implying that was all he was doing. Catholics and Protestants have their own separate parochial schools in this country—should that stop in the USA because Donohue alleges it to be a cause of “segregation” in Northern Ireland?
4 posted on 06/22/2013 3:16:07 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mosesdapoet

correction any inference of any O’Donnell making a saving statement of President Obama on the Catholic school issue is an error. The name is Donohue he made the error.


5 posted on 06/22/2013 3:21:23 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think he’s partially right: Obama didn’t attack Catholic schools specifically. However, I think it was pretty clear that this was his intention and that attacking the concept of non-state run schools was really what he had in mind.

And I’m sure Bambi would never say the same about a madrassa or school run by a mosque, even though those are nothing but terrorist training grounds.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 3:36:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I don’t think that anyone claimed that Obama was attacking Catholic schools specifically. I have no idea where Donohue got that from.


7 posted on 06/22/2013 3:37:15 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Ann Archy
Bill should know at this point that Obama's agenda, like any socialist, is to destroy the church so that government becomes the god of worship.

Archbishop Sheen warned about this mentality over and over again throughout his life. Donahue should get a clue and listen to Sheen to get some insight.

Good Morning!

8 posted on 06/22/2013 4:12:32 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ann Archy

Donohue — whom I generally admire — has gone off the rails in defending O’Bummer.

O’Bummer was attacking Catholic and Protestant “buildings.” Whether those Christian buildings are churches or schools, we need them. We need them more than union halls or mosques or bars. At least they believe God and Jesus. We need those active, vigorous Christian buildings in (relatively) pro-life Ireland more than the empty churches in the rest of secular, sinful Europe.

Donohue, you’re wrong to say that O’Bummer was right. O’Bummer, acolyte of Reverend Wright, is no friend of traditional Christianity either in Ireland or the United States.


9 posted on 06/22/2013 4:28:16 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Olog-hai

I am not the brightest bulb on the tree, but Obama’s speech was pretty clear to me.

He doesn’t want Catholic and Protestant schools in Ireland, and he doesn’t want them here either.

Maybe if this well-spoken Negro could learn to speak more plainly we could understand what he has to say. In this case I think we understood him well enough.


10 posted on 06/22/2013 4:59:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

Just as an aside.

WTF is Obama doing telling other countries how to run their country? He cannot run this one, he claims he doesn’t know what is going on here, maybe he should keep his nose, and his mouth—maybe even his protruding ears out of other countries business.


11 posted on 06/22/2013 5:01:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Northern Yankee

Yes, he needs to “Glean from Sheen”!


12 posted on 06/22/2013 5:16:45 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Olog-hai; NYer; Salvation
Father Mitch Pacwa just said in his homily for the Saturday morning "Daily Mass" at EWTN that B.O. did indeed attack the Catholic schools in that speech. Father Mitch (a multiple-language expert) is certainly no intellectual slouch who tends to misinterpret English language nuances.

I've always been a fan of Donohue in his wide-ranging defenses of the faith over the years, but I strongly believe that, lately, he has gotten certain things 100% wrong, and this is one of them.

Whether due to the frailities of aging, fears of the IRS, NSA generated threats, or something else, I am starting to think that for certain issues lately involving Obama, Donohue has gotten the issue completely wrong, and has proclaimed his erroneous take loudly.

My hope is that some prominent Catholic who Donohue might listen to more readily (like Father Mitch) will discuss these issues with him directly, and disabuse him of his obviously erroneous takes on them.

13 posted on 06/22/2013 5:56:04 AM PDT by Heart-Rest (Good reading ==> | ncregister.com | catholic.com | ewtn.com | newadvent.org |)
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OBAMA’S “ANTI-CATHOLIC” SPEECH

June 21, 2013 by Bill
Filed under Latest News Releases
2013 - June Releases

Bill Donohue comments on President Barack Obama’s speech given in Ireland where he mentioned Catholic schools:

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of President Obama’s policies as they relate to the Catholic Church, and I have not been shy in stating them. But the reaction on the part of conservatives, many of whom are Catholic, over his speech in Ireland, is simply insane. Never did Obama say he wants “an end to Catholic education.” Indeed, he never said anything critical about the nature of Catholic schools. It makes me wonder: Have any of his critics bothered to actually read his speech?

Obama’s speech, given in Northern Ireland, properly spoke of the divisions between Catholics and Protestants. He lauded the Good Friday Agreement, noting that “There are still wounds that haven’t healed, and communities where tensions and mistrust hangs in the air.” He said that “segregated schools and housing” add to the problem. Then he said, “If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs—if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division.”

Obama was not condemning Catholic schools—he was condemning segregation. He was calling attention to the fact that where social divisions exist, the prospects for social harmony are dimmed. How can anyone reasonable disagree with this observation? Moreover, it should hardly be surprising that a black president would be sensitive to segregation, whether based on race or religion.

Some are also condemning Obama for disrespecting a Vatican official who days earlier touted Catholic education before a Scottish audience. So what? Obama’s speech, which no doubt was written before Archbishop Gerhard Müller spoke, mentioned Catholic schools in conjunction with Catholic buildings, the purpose of which was not to assess the worth of Catholic education (or Catholic buildings!), but to criticize religious divisions. In short, ripping comments out of context is an old game, and it is patently unfair to speakers and writers.

14 posted on 06/22/2013 6:09:41 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Venturer

I normally agree with Donohue about Obummer, but he was way off on this one. I don’t think he read the full speach. And Obummer said what he said because he’s an anti-Christian bigot. He hates anything to do with Christianity. And
Donohue certainly has to know that Catholic schools are full of protestant students. Maybe he’ll clarify what in the hell he was saying because it made no sense.


15 posted on 06/22/2013 6:16:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Obama was not condemning Catholic schools—he was condemning segregation"

Though I rarely disagree with your posts, I'm afraid I have to gently disagree with you there. Catholic schools (by their nature) are always "segregated" from Protestant schools and public schools, just like Catholic Holy Communion is always segregated from other non-Catholic forms of "Communion".

Obama has gotten widespread support for his anti-Religious-Liberty efforts from severely misguided Americans who have been "educated" (brainwashed) in non-Catholic schools, and who believe like him that abortion is fine, homosexual marriage is great, and Catholics should be made to pay for abortion-causing drugs (and eventually all types of abortions) just like everyone else, whether it violates their conscience and religious freedom or not.

The paucity of resistance he has received so far seems to come largely from Catholics who received good catechesis in Catholic schools. Obama would love to further diminish opposition to his evil plans by eliminating Catholic schools, and getting everyone to attend public schools or "religious schools" run by religions which essentially back all his evil endeavors, including abortion and "same-sex marriage".

Donohue came out with another doozy a few months ago (either late January or early February, 2013) when (in his email newsletter entitled "New HHS Rules Welcomed") he argued that those phony, narrowly targeted HHS "compromises" were a good thing. Almost immediately, most Catholic public voices shot that woefully erroneous idea down.

16 posted on 06/22/2013 6:40:50 AM PDT by Heart-Rest (Good reading ==> | ncregister.com | catholic.com | ewtn.com | newadvent.org |)
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To: Olog-hai

Just turned down our great leaders supreme assurance Saturday radio edict that all is well and we must believe “The Great Brother” (Russians during czarist times would call those edicts assurances from the Great Father.) and will turn volume back up to the regularly scheduled show.

The response from Catholic leadership reminds me of a lecture I heard over Relevant Radio of St John Fisher and Henry VIII. The only Catholic bishop in all of England to stand against him.


17 posted on 06/22/2013 7:43:21 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Heart-Rest
Though I rarely disagree with your posts, I'm afraid I have to gently disagree with you there.

Correction: Though I rarely disagree with Donahue's remarks, I'm afraid I have to gently disagree with Donahue there.

A.A. Cunningham and Bill Donahue are not the same person.

18 posted on 06/22/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Olog-hai
What Donahue deftly chose to overlook is the creepy irrelevance of Mr. Obama's stated concerns with political issues which have already been significantly addressed by Prime Minister Tony Blair well before he assumed office as US President in 2009. This is of a piece with Obama's strange obsession with replaying historico-political "dusties," such as his reprisal of both Kennedy's and Reagan's Berlin-Wall speeches - long after Berlin ceased having world-historical significance, or his trying to redo another START Treaty with the Russians long after both the USSR and the Cold War ended (Putin knows about Obama's sickness perfectly well, and just relishes torturing him with it), or now reviewing and/or renewing "The (Northern Irish) Troubles" well after they ceased to exist. The next thing I expect to see is Obama forcing the current Japanese Foreign Minister hobble, while rocking an old-fashioned tuxedo with tall hat and tails of course, onto a USS Missouri pulled back into service in order to redo the Japanese Instrument of WW II Surrender Signing Ceremony in Tokyo Bay. One wonders just how many other previous presidents' accomplishments is Mr. Obama going to emulate before he starts acting like just himself?
19 posted on 06/22/2013 11:20:22 AM PDT by Trentamj
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To: Trentamj

Irish Eyes are NOT Smiling!


20 posted on 06/22/2013 12:06:19 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Sorry about that! I guess I read your post too fast yesterday. Thanks for the gently corrective reply.    :-)

(And, as a bonus, if Donohue IS a FReeper, I can narrow it down now, knowing he has to be one of the other FReepers, not you.)

21 posted on 06/23/2013 6:09:20 AM PDT by Heart-Rest (Good reading ==> | ncregister.com | catholic.com | ewtn.com | newadvent.org |)
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