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Local man seeks truth in Flight 800 crash
Sun Gazette ^ | 5-21-13 | Mike Reuther

Posted on 06/22/2013 3:34:21 PM PDT by FlJoePa

New information earlier this week pointing to a cover-up in the crash of TWA Flight 800 doesn't come as a surprise to at least one local man whose daughter was killed in the 1996 tragedy.

Donald Nibert, a retired Penn College forestry professor, said from the beginning all he has wanted is the truth from investigators.

"I've always felt this was friendly fire from day one," he said.

The crash off Long Island claimed the life of his daughter, Cheryl, along with 15 other Montoursville Area High School students and their five adult chaperones.

A film to be released next month makes the claim that the official government report on the crash was an elaborate fabrication. Six experts from the National Transportation Safety Board investigation team who originally concluded the crash was an accident now say they were silenced by superiors.

Seventeen years have gone by since the crash, but Nibert hasn't forgotten.

Early on, he was dogged in his pursuit of the truth.

He queried NTSB officials.

Eventually, he managed to secure a copy of the flight-data recorder from the plane.

One expert concluded that 2 seconds of the recording were deleted.

And Glen Schulze, of Littleton, Colo., a flight data recorder expert maintains to this day that the device was, in his works, "doctored" with 4 seconds of the recording missing.

"What I believe at this point is that it (plane) was not an internal explosion. It was external," Schulze told the Sun-Gazette Thursday. "That's what most of witnesses saw."

Such developments have only confirmed Nibert's suspicions.

About a year after the crash, Nibert recalled receiving an anonymous call from a woman who claimed that her relative was responsible for shooting down the plane from a submarine.

He can't say what she told him is true. Then again, he can't be sure.

Witnesses he's talked to have seemed to confirm his conclusions: that friendly fire brought down the plane.

The final NTSB report claimed faulty wiring in a central fuel tank caused a blast that destroyed the fuselage.

Nibert doesn't buy it.

What he really wants, he said, is for the truth to come out and for those engaged in what he believes has been a lie to be prosecuted.

"I want the truth. That is what I've always wanted," he said. "They have covered up things for 17 years."

Schulze, for his part, said he stands by his original statements that NSTB officials have been anything but forthcoming about their investigation.

He said he never has tried to figure out what the motives may have been behind those responsible for the crash itself.

Nibert has been the lone voice among the relatives of Montoursville victims in expressing his anger at the government.

"I have to say I felt ostracized for my thoughts," he said. "Parents don't want to consider this possibility, which is understandable."

The tragedy, he said, always will be with him.

The filmmakers of "TWA Flight 800" are asking for the NTSB to re-open the investigation.

Nibert, for his part, said he's not holding out a lot of hope that it will happen.

And the memory of his daughter - he's managed to keep alive.

"It's difficult walking into her room, which we never changed," he said.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aviation; firststrike; flight800; ntsb; pa; poe; twa800; twaflight800
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This is the father of one of one of the Montoursville HS students (16 + 5 chaperones) who died.

Have we become a nation that can't take the truth? Are we that sissified? It's all we really want. We're not babies. We can take it.

That's all. NO government agency is accountable anymore. From simple locals all the way to the white hut. Everything is a coverup, and it doesn't need to be. Government paid salaries/benefits and phony reputations are the only thing standing in our way.

1 posted on 06/22/2013 3:34:21 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa

It was ‘inconvienient’ timeing as Clinton was trying to get elected.
How else would Clinton respond ?
Or in the words of the family sage : “ At this point , ..what does it matter ?? “


2 posted on 06/22/2013 3:38:40 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: FlJoePa
Local man seeks truth in Flight 800 crash

The ONLY way he might get even a smidgen of truth out of the most corrupt lying bastard ever to sit in the oval office, is if he is out to get the klintons. Let's pray that is the case.

3 posted on 06/22/2013 3:40:13 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Jesus, Please Save America!)
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To: FlJoePa

Enough ‘qualified’ people saw what they saw !
It was an act of war ~ a missle fired at an airliner
And Clinton wasn’t man enough to admit it , and investigators FABRICATED testimony to add to the cover up.
Seems that cover-ups follow the Clinton family ,.. like Arkancide !


4 posted on 06/22/2013 3:42:47 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

This has Louis the Liar’s fingerprints all over it.

How do you go through life calling yourself an “investigator” while being a whore - working backwards on orders from your Pimp - to craft a narrative that explains to the public events that never happened.

Time and TIME AGAIN!?

How does he ever get a night’s sleep?


5 posted on 06/22/2013 3:45:03 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

All 750 people who saw it were drunk, the NTSB said so.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 3:46:05 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Clinton was afraid of looking weak so he covered up an attack.


7 posted on 06/22/2013 3:47:22 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: FlJoePa

FlJoePa ~:” How does he ever get a night’s sleep? “

Look at whom he sleeps with !!
.. in a separate bedroom no doubt !
Unless it comes (pun intended) with a cigar !!


8 posted on 06/22/2013 3:55:55 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I’m talking about Freeh, not Clinton.


9 posted on 06/22/2013 3:57:46 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I thought it happened around the time when the Lewinsky scandal (or some other scandal) was breaking.


10 posted on 06/22/2013 4:00:10 PM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Did the NSA and Clinton and Gorelick murder witnesses, too?

This goes very deep, and it appears that they will stop
at nothing to continue to violate their Oath to
the Constitution (Article IV).


11 posted on 06/22/2013 4:04:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: FlJoePa

FlJoePa ~:” NO government agency is accountable anymore. From simple locals all the way to the white hut. Everything is a coverup, and it doesn’t need to be. Government paid salaries/benefits and phony reputations are the only thing standing in our way. “

All that these people want is POWER and influence.
They are amoral , .. no core values.
Read Alinsky to find their non-existant moral values

“Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.”~ Ronald Reagan


12 posted on 06/22/2013 4:04:25 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: FlJoePa
There is nothing new here. All his information has been out there for years.

The reason it is getting attention again is because Bill Clinton has been getting uppity, and the TWA 800 cover-up was on his watch.

The crux of the matter is that Flight 800 was accidentally shot down by a missile from a US naval ship. Rather than admit what happened and take the PR hit, the Clinton regime decided to make up a story about spontaneous combustion of center fuel tanks.

The feds put people in jail for trying to prove otherwise.

Bill Clinton will get the message to shut his trap, and all this will go away by the middle of next week.

13 posted on 06/22/2013 4:04:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Remember this?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mystery-missile-launched-missile-off-california-coast/story?id=12097155#.UcYsP_JW4p4

A mystery rocket/missile fired off the southern coast of California...

It’s very probable and possible, that drug syndicates or Islamic terrorists were test firing newly acquired surface-to-air weapons...one goes off on the East coast bringing down Flight 800...pressure from some community silences the crew...then another pops up on 09 NOV 2019 - 14 yrs later...is it a group, a cell, gang??? Was it religiously inspired - and by what religion...Christian White Supremacist or Islamic terrorist group??? I’m sure someone at the FBI and CIA were working on the ID and making sure these stayed out of the US...but there are alot of flights coming in from Europe or Asia that fly over international waters...although very northern waters...just a thought...or several indicators that have or have not been linked...


14 posted on 06/22/2013 4:05:32 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: BCW

typo: 09 NOV 2010


15 posted on 06/22/2013 4:06:13 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: FlJoePa
http://www.ntsb.gov/tc/facilityloc.htm

Sounds like the reconstructed plane is still around.

16 posted on 06/22/2013 4:06:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FlJoePa

“Hey we have a movie to sell!!!”


17 posted on 06/22/2013 4:06:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

typo: 09 NOV 2010


18 posted on 06/22/2013 4:07:45 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: Diogenesis

Diogenesis ~:” Did the NSA and Clinton and Gorelick murder witnesses, too?This goes very deep, and it appears that they will stop
at nothing to continue to violate their Oath to
the Constitution (Article IV).”

Does ‘Arkancide’ violate the oath if they are not held accountable ?
They are too immoral to hold to the Constitution


19 posted on 06/22/2013 4:07:52 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: BCW

Yes, I remember that. The plane contrail that people refuse to believe wasn’t some rocket launch, no matter how much evidence was shown to them.

People are very gullible.


20 posted on 06/22/2013 4:08:52 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FlJoePa
"Grassley’s chief of staff, Jill Kozeny, said in response: “The record clearly shows Sen. Grassley’s strong effort to get answers from the then-Clinton administration, including Eric Holder who was then deputy attorney general and in charge of the FBI in that position.”"

So, good 'ole E. H0lder was up to his brown eyeballs in another coverup?

21 posted on 06/22/2013 4:10:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FlJoePa

I’ve always suspected it could have been a manpads missile, fired from a boat at sea. I think the altitude was right on the fringe of modern capabilities, but possible with the right missile. I doubt it was a Navy accident. A whole ship full of sailors isn’t keeping that secret for long. It’s just not happening. But a terrorist op... Entirely plausible.

I even understand the reasoning behind keeping it secret. Deny the terrorist his credit and you deny him his reward. You take away his whole reason to do it. I get it. I’m not crazy about it, but I do get it.

But why then... didn’t they do it again? Any number of airports are vulnerable like this. Why haven’t they tried again? Or even if they never did it... Why when its so obvious a way to blow airliners out of the sky?

Curious. Whatever it was, I still don’t buy the low-voltage short in the center fuel tank. I’m not sure you could even MAKE that happen.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 4:10:36 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
"I’m not sure you could even MAKE that happen."

CBS was able to get a GM pickup with saddle tanks to explode.....

23 posted on 06/22/2013 4:12:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BCW

I remember qualified experts in thier field of aeronautics saying that they saw a missle trail.
The investigators then conducted a ‘cover up’ which was sold to the American public ,
just as “the movie” that no one saw was seen to initiate the attack on Benghazi.
The government lies effectively , as long as no one asks questions during the inquiry .


24 posted on 06/22/2013 4:14:03 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Louis Freeh seems to come up in a lot of these conspiracies.

The interesting thing too...a lot of these FBI investigators went on to work for MBNA.

MBNA (the largest second mile donor ever) + Ric Struthers + Louis Freeh @ PSU = $10 million contract.

Again, go figure.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 4:14:19 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Did you mean reelected?
26 posted on 06/22/2013 4:19:09 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: FlJoePa

To clarify - Louis Freeh was Chief Legal Counsel for MBNA (while they were donating to second mile).


27 posted on 06/22/2013 4:20:32 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I always thought it was shot down...when witnesses say what they say - even if there might be some minor flaws...they all point to a SAM...by who...I don’t know...


28 posted on 06/22/2013 4:21:57 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I remember on tv the night it happened, a couple interviewed on the beach saw a trail of fire go up. There may have been more witnesses like that, but I only remember the one couple and think probably all footage of that and others was destroyed or hidden away.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 4:27:22 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: FlJoePa

Donald Nibert, a retired Penn College forestry professor, said” from the beginning all he has wanted is the truth from investigators”

With all due respect , Mr Nibert wants to see HIS version of what he demands to be the truth


30 posted on 06/22/2013 4:27:29 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Cyman

Why didn’t planes just “blow up” in mid air before this one? Seems a bit odd, no?


31 posted on 06/22/2013 4:31:49 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

We are not a nation that cannot take the Truth; we have a government that cannot speak the Truth, nor does it know the Truth from the lies it tells repeatedly. And that bullies those who dare speak it into silence.

And what do you do with a bully? Stand firm, refuse to be cowed, and speak the Truth. The Truth will set you free.


32 posted on 06/22/2013 4:33:24 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: FlJoePa
About a year after the crash, Nibert recalled receiving an anonymous call from a woman who claimed that her relative was responsible for shooting down the plane from a submarine.

please...

33 posted on 06/22/2013 4:34:23 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I don’t know what blew it up...but if you’re telling me it just happened on it’s own, I’ll call you on it, because I don’t buy it. Not only is it not plausible, it is really inconceivable. Especially once you consider the various known liar gubbmint characters involved after the fact.


34 posted on 06/22/2013 4:39:22 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Paladin2

Wasn’t that NBC and a Ford?


35 posted on 06/22/2013 4:39:42 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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Either way — you make a good point!


36 posted on 06/22/2013 4:40:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: FlJoePa

Am I the only person in the world who remembers Dan Rather talking live to the New York El Al representative immediately after the crash? (hopefully I’m not getting my plane crashes confused) The rep of the Israeli airlines said they had late intel that their plane was targeted and canceled their flight. Flight 800 took off in its place. There wasn’t time to warn anyone else.


37 posted on 06/22/2013 4:40:52 PM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow
The July 1996 airplane ''accident'' happened just before Hillary's hired hand Craig Livingston (holding FBI files) was to testify before Congress. The Congressional Hearings were thereby cancelled. As the Media was already swarming all over the TWA 800 ''accident''. Livingston was thus handily 'forgotten'.

Monica Lewinsky scandal was not to be revealed for another 16-18 months (Sep 1997).

38 posted on 06/22/2013 4:48:34 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Paladin2
CBS was able to get a GM pickup with saddle tanks to explode.....

That was NBC Dateline, and they faked those tests. They welded a long spike on the front of the ramming car to make sure the tank was broken open, and they mounted Estes model rocket motors underneath to ensure there would be a big fire.

39 posted on 06/22/2013 4:54:27 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: BenLurkin
'Twas definitely a GM as they had the tanks located outboard of the frame on both sides.

As noted below/above NBC wuz the sleazy network for that "report".

40 posted on 06/22/2013 5:02:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FlJoePa

I have felt for the past 10-15 years that TWA800 was brought down by 2 ManPads, one launched for close in shore, or from land, and another about 4 miles out to sea.

They bracketed the plane with 2 SAMS to greatly increase the odds of a shoot down.

The witness statements generally back that up.


41 posted on 06/22/2013 5:05:47 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24

Did any jihadis claim responsibility?


42 posted on 06/22/2013 5:21:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Did any jihadis claim responsibility?

They ~all~ did, IIRC.

43 posted on 06/22/2013 5:26:56 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: FlJoePa

Louis Freeh was also the trustee for MF Global Inc, after it went bankrupt.

Free Jon Corzine!!


44 posted on 06/22/2013 5:32:27 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Ramius

Did any supply any evidence to support their claims?


45 posted on 06/22/2013 5:33:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Yes.

http://twa800.com/pages/alhayat.htm


46 posted on 06/22/2013 5:34:13 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24
Mucho Gusto thanx.

(I gotta get used to this Spanish lingo krap...)

47 posted on 06/22/2013 5:41:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Aliska

I remember clearly a little boy being interviewed. He stated he saw like a bright light shooting upward from a hillside. He turned to his mother to tell her “Mom! Look someone is shooting fireworks”. I immediately knew and felt this planed was downed and I would not be surprised if it was by some Ragheads.


48 posted on 06/22/2013 5:45:26 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: The Sons of Liberty
...get the klintons...

What difference does it make?

Bill is a good time Charley, but Hillary appears to be a monster. Obama is her stalking horse.

49 posted on 06/22/2013 5:49:49 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Chode

The only other thing I’ll say is this. Imagine if it was YOUR daughter that was blown up on that flight.

Someone randomly calls you and mentions a submarine missile after the fact. You don’t consider it? You don’t mention it? Sure - it could be a complete hoax. But it’s your DAUGHTER.

Easy to criticize from the sidelines when you have no real skin in the game.


50 posted on 06/22/2013 5:53:50 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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