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Mary, Queen of Scots
Westminster Abbey ^ | sometime before today | unattributed

Posted on 06/22/2013 6:53:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Mary, Queen of Scots was born in 1542, daughter of King James V of Scotland and Mary of Guise. Her father died just a week after her birth. She was betrothed to the Dauphin of France and educated at the French Court. Her husband, who succeeded as Francis II, died within a year of his accession and Mary left France in 1560 never to return. She married Henry, Lord Darnley, son of Margaret Stewart, Countess of Lennox, in 1565 and had one son who became King James VI of Scotland and I of England. After Darnley's mysterious murder she married James, Earl of Bothwell but divorced him after a short time. A fervent Roman Catholic and a claimant to the English Crown, Mary was a great danger to Elizabeth I.

She was captured in 1568 and after 19 years of confinement, executed at Fotheringhay Castle on 8 February 1587. She was first buried in Peterborough Cathedral with great solemnity by Elizabeth's orders but James I brought the remains to Westminster in 1612. He had erected a magnificent marble tomb for her in the south aisle of the Lady Chapel on which there is a fine white marble effigy under an elaborate canopy. She wears a close-fitting coif, a laced ruff, and a long mantle fastened by a brooch. At her feet is the Scottish lion crowned. The sculptors were William and Cornelius Cure. So the two queens rest opposite one another in the aisles of Henry VII's chapel. Next to Mary is the tomb of Margaret, Countess of Lennox on which is a kneeling figure of Lord Darnley.

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Mary, Queen of Scots

1 posted on 06/22/2013 6:53:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Monty Python - Mary Queen of Scots

2 posted on 06/22/2013 6:56:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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The Death of Mary Queen of Scots
http://www.montypython.net/scripts/maryscot.php


3 posted on 06/22/2013 6:56:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ConorMacNessa; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 06/22/2013 6:57:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
James was very important in American history, and it's not just because he was involved in the settlement at Jamestown ~ rather, he was important because he accepted the gift of Acadia from King Filippe II/III ~ who'd held out hopes that James would found Catholic colonies there.

James, instead, took Acadia with him as he became the King of England as well, and that body of rocks became a sizeable chunk of the later United States. We call it NEW YORK and MASSACHUSETTS!

Plymouth was carved out of Virginia. The boundary line between Acadia and VIrginia extends from the tip of Cape Cod Westward to Chicago. The boundary between Acadia and New France was never clearly marked although it was fought over many times. The first war recorded was about 1613

5 posted on 06/22/2013 7:02:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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To: SunkenCiv

Mary was betrothed to a French dolphin

Was he faster than lightning?


6 posted on 06/22/2013 7:05:06 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“It’s just gone 8 o’clock and time for the penguin on top of your television set to explode.”


7 posted on 06/22/2013 7:06:05 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: tumblindice

“Take this, Mary Queen of Scots!”


8 posted on 06/22/2013 7:06:33 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: SunkenCiv

9 posted on 06/22/2013 7:10:49 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: SunkenCiv

As a fervent Catholic, should she have been buried in a Protestant church?


10 posted on 06/22/2013 7:11:26 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks...good stuff.


11 posted on 06/22/2013 7:11:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: SunkenCiv

She was even nastier than Tony Soprano’s mother.


12 posted on 06/22/2013 7:15:10 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Anyone interested in Mary Queen of scots should read her bio by Lady Antonia Fraser...very well done...a sad figure in history.


13 posted on 06/22/2013 7:18:49 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: SunkenCiv

According to one biography I read (Fraser), Mary shocked those present at her execution when she removed her outer garment before she was beheaded. Her petticoat was blood red — not white. This was a piece of drama designed by Mary, herself, so that her blood would not show.

When the executioner grabbed her red hair to hold her head aloft, her head slipped out of her wig and fell to the ground. Her own hair was pure white, much to the shock of the observors.

The third piece of drama (as if an execution wasn’t enough) was her little dog which was hiding under her skirts and refused to leave her body afterward.


14 posted on 06/22/2013 7:20:43 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Tau Food

Elizabeth Tudor was no softy: “Cuz, call my Dad ‘Ornery’ one more time ...”.


15 posted on 06/22/2013 7:26:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: kabumpo
As a fervent Catholic, should she have been buried in a Protestant church?

She wasn't a fervent Catholic. She switched churches, alliances and husbands whenever the political winds shifted.

Her problem was that she was greedy and never was quite as clever as she thought she was. A deadly combination in a queen.

16 posted on 06/22/2013 7:29:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: tumblindice
Well, context is important. Remember, it wasn't considered a foul to burn at the cross your religious opponents.

Praise God. Trust God.

17 posted on 06/22/2013 7:30:45 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Didn’t it require quite a few blows with the axe to sever her head from her body? I have read that the axeman was drunk.


18 posted on 06/22/2013 7:32:57 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: tumblindice

oh but of course


19 posted on 06/22/2013 7:33:52 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SunkenCiv




"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

20 posted on 06/22/2013 7:35:36 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Tau Food
You're thinking of Bloody Mary Tudor, Elizabeth the Firsts sister.

Mary Stewart/Stuart suggested to John Knox that people be allowed to worship as they please. He called her foul names.

21 posted on 06/22/2013 7:35:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: SunkenCiv

aka Bloody Mary.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 7:35:54 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

when did she switch churches?


23 posted on 06/22/2013 7:36:44 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Tau Food

Believe the Cate Blanchett e-version said, “I won’t make windows into mens’ souls.” when some underling tried to start some persecution.
And she went on to say she was more concerned that her subjects were good Englishmen.
Who knows, but after Dad and Mary I think she was tired of the burnings.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 7:39:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Cvengr

No. That was Mary Tudor who married Catholic Prince Phillip of Spain and they burned Protestants.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 7:39:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Tau Food
She was even nastier than Tony Soprano’s mother.

You are perhaps confusing her with Mary Tudor, so-called "Bloody Mary" who has also been unfairly maligned in he popular mind due to polemics and propaganda rising out of the Reformation (more modern and calmer historical research has evened out the picture). Both of them were more hapless and unlucky than nasty and the offenses they were both executed for (especially Mary Queen of Scots) were entirely the work of advisers to whom they mistakenly placed their trust in.

26 posted on 06/22/2013 7:41:50 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: DJ MacWoW
No. That was Mary Tudor who married Catholic Prince Phillip of Spain and they burned Protestants.

Yes, much like the Protestant Elizabeth I burned Catholics-- and hunted down priests and those who hid them and had them hanged and quartered, burned down Catholic churches and monasteries and seized their lands and their cathedrals. Such was the tenor of the times.

27 posted on 06/22/2013 7:48:19 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: kabumpo
When she married Bothwell.

Of course as a fervent Catholic she never would have married Henry Stuart without a papal dispensation either.

28 posted on 06/22/2013 7:50:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: SunkenCiv

Great..............Grandma.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 7:53:15 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: kabumpo

It was a Catholic Church - merely seized and occupied by Protestants (which is still the case).


30 posted on 06/22/2013 7:57:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: fidelis

When the Mother Church excommunicated Elizabeth in 1570, it was basically telling their faithful it didn’t have a problem with her getting whacked.
Liz’s religious tolerance grew strained as the fatwah intensified and, yeah, she put what she perceived to be traitors to death, often drawing and quartering, privy parts cut off, etc.
Including the principal character of this thread, Mary ‘Queen of Scots.’

But from her Pop’s reign to Charles II, about 300 Catholics were executed, most by beheading and hanging. Mary killed that many reformist/Lutheran ‘heretics’ in her reign alone, most by burning.


31 posted on 06/22/2013 8:25:42 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice
"But from her Pop’s reign to Charles II, about 300 Catholics were executed, most by beheading and hanging. Mary killed that many reformist/Lutheran ‘heretics’ in her reign alone, most by burning."

Please...To claim your side killed a handful mercifully is disingenuous. Both sides killed far more than 300.

32 posted on 06/22/2013 9:32:48 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Diogenesis
Timely. Reading a new book on Walsingham the spymaster for Elizabeth, in the nascent role of intelligencer. Pertinent to today's nightmare of mirrors and lies. A culture unto itself. Showen in the picture is the Babington cypher, used to communicate (allegedly) the plot to overthrow Elizabeth and kill her. The cypher, courtesy of Walsingham and Phiellepes the cryptographer (sic).

What a time this was. Best version of this was with Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth. Truly a sad state of affairs.

Especially sad was the St. Bartholomew's massacre in France, where Huguenots were slaughtered in the streets and body parts jokingly offered for sale (seriously). Christianity is what matters now-- in the face of mohammedans and pagan statists. Deo Vindice.

33 posted on 06/22/2013 10:04:37 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: tumblindice

They called him “Flipper” Flipper King of the Sea.

For a Dauphin of France, he was uh, one slippery character.
D’Anjou was a perv and homo and Alencon was just ugly. Poor Eliz. Rex. I.


34 posted on 06/22/2013 10:07:14 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The red color was the liturgical color of Catholic martyrdom. A protest in death.


35 posted on 06/22/2013 10:09:29 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: vladimir998

Yes, I know, but it was Protestant when she was put there.


36 posted on 06/22/2013 10:11:24 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Two and still a little sinew was left, to be cut with a knife or yet another blow. nasty way to go. She did forgive the executioner (in those days it was custom to give him a couple of coins to do the job right— weird, huh?).


37 posted on 06/22/2013 10:12:03 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Mary Tudor and Elizabeth were half sisters...Mary the daughter of Catherine of Arragon and Elizabeth the daughter of Anne Boleyn.
38 posted on 06/22/2013 10:15:16 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes. I don’t know if he was drunk, but the head did not separate easily.


39 posted on 06/22/2013 11:54:45 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SunkenCiv
BURMA !
40 posted on 06/23/2013 1:59:09 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: kabumpo

Not too sure they asked her.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 7:05:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Cvengr

thanks.


42 posted on 06/23/2013 7:05:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: tumblindice

My ancestor, Thomas Cramner was one of those burned at the stake during Mary’s reign.


43 posted on 06/23/2013 3:45:09 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: SunkenCiv

“.... And now, Radio Four will explode.”


44 posted on 06/23/2013 3:46:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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