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The menace of moo-shine - Saving America from raw milk
The Economist ^ | June 1, 2013

Posted on 06/23/2013 8:03:38 AM PDT by rickmichaels

DAIRY is a way of life in Wisconsin. Milk is the official state beverage. Locals proudly refer to themselves as “cheeseheads”. Hats in the shape of slices of Swiss are popular. A heart-stopping treat called “fried curds” is a staple bar snack. Local licence-plates read “America’s Dairyland”. All of which perhaps explains why the state authorities took the conduct of Vernon Hershberger so seriously.

Mr Hershberger runs a traditional dairy with 40 cows. State law prohibits selling milk to the public without pasteurising it first. But Mr Hershberger tried to get around this stricture by setting up a “club” which provided raw milk (also known as “moo-shine”) to its members—until state food inspectors raided his farm, destroyed the milk they found and put him on trial.

Members of the ARMi (Alliance for Raw Milk internationale) and other “food freedom” activists flocked to the courthouse, brandishing placards declaring, “My milk My body My choice” and “Land of the free? Tell my cow”, among other slogans. They likened Mr Hershberger to Rosa Parks, a celebrated civil-rights activist, and demanded the freedom to eat (and drink) whatever they like. The jury was sympathetic: on May 25th Mr Hershberger was acquitted of operating without the proper licences, although he was found guilty of moving food the authorities had ordered him to keep as evidence after the raid.

Mr Hershberger is not the only crusader for raw milk, and the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture not the movement’s only foe. The federal government prohibits moving the stuff across state lines, although it has no power to regulate it within state boundaries. The Food and Drug Administration’s website explains that unpasteurised dairy products are more likely to make those who consume them sick than pasteurised ones. It adds that moo-shine’s purported health benefits are unsubstantiated.

Raw-milk activists are not cowed. Their kind of milk is much tastier than the processed muck, they say. In some of the 20 states that ban its sale, they operate “herdshares”. A farmer sells stakes (not steaks) in cows that he tends. He then gives raw milk to shareholders, and charges a maintenance fee. If not the land of the free, America is certainly the land of the ingenious lawyer.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: milk; rawmilk
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 8:03:38 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

“Raw-milk activists are not cowed.”


2 posted on 06/23/2013 8:17:56 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: rickmichaels

unpasteurised dairy products are more likely to make those who consume them sick than pasteurised ones

For as long as the government looks the other way as children are taught homosexual sex is as safe as heterosexual sex, they have no business forcing pasteurized milk on people who prefer unpasteurized for fear of making them "sick".

3 posted on 06/23/2013 8:24:38 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: rickmichaels

So my daughters can get Plan B and abortions without my consent, but I can’t purchase and serve them raw milk. We’re from the government and we’re here to help!


4 posted on 06/23/2013 8:27:43 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: rickmichaels
RAW MILK! Yummy!


5 posted on 06/23/2013 8:33:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: rickmichaels

Wish my gubmint would stop trying to save me in the name of big ag.

I prefer whole milk, pasturized and not homogenized be


6 posted on 06/23/2013 8:41:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: rickmichaels

Raised on a farm. Right before supper had to run down to the bulk tank and scoop out a pitcher of milk. In all my days, I was never sick from drinking it.


7 posted on 06/23/2013 8:41:56 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: rickmichaels

I switched to Coconut Milk. Reduces crepitation! Tastes great too.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 8:43:02 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: rickmichaels

Just think of all those poor people that died before the government helped control milk! /s


9 posted on 06/23/2013 8:44:12 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: so_real

I encourage you to consume as many unpasteurized products as possible. Then get back to me on how that worked out.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 8:45:10 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: rickmichaels

Whatever happened to the Demonrat slogan of ‘’my body and my right to choose’’? Maniacal, selfrighteous, hypocritical, nannystate, controlling thugs know better than anyone else what is best for you.
Step out of line and choose for yourself, they will do whatever they can to crush you.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 8:45:59 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Kirkwood

Hey. None of your f****** business. Why don’t you go lecture a two year old.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 8:49:16 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Kirkwood

The lack of exposure to dirt, germs, assorted molds and pollens and sterilizing everything and anything has led to more harm from allergies and depressed immunity than judicious use of the wonders of medical science and historical antibiotics.
Our bubble world is killing us.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 8:49:37 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Thumper1960

This dogooder attitude of Mr. Peckwood is what’s killing us.


14 posted on 06/23/2013 8:55:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: rickmichaels

The only “choice” that Progressives/Socialists/Communists believe in is abortion, and they would prefer that was mandatory too.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 8:57:49 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: rickmichaels

That’s what we need, more food poisoning.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 8:59:55 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kirkwood
I encourage you to consume as many unpasteurized products as possible. Then get back to me on how that worked out.

If the the crony-capitalists of the big-government/big-corporate criminal complex don't want you bypassing them for your dairy products, they will not be bypassed.

Capische?

17 posted on 06/23/2013 9:00:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: rickmichaels

I like the stuff. I’ve had far less acid reflux issues since I started drinking it.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 9:03:51 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: rickmichaels; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; ...

Moo-shine Nanny State PING!


19 posted on 06/23/2013 9:04:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
That’s what we need, more food poisoning.

Great, then you'll love this:

EPA about to raise allowable concentrations of glyphosate (Roundup) on food crops...

The EPA’s decision is all the more unjustifiable in light of two recently published, peer reviewed studies revealing glyphosate to be a far greater threat to human health than previously determined.

According to a study published in the journal Entropy in April 2013, glyphosate is related to debilitating diseases like gastrointestinal disorders, diabetes, heart disease, obesity, autism, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. The study says the negative impact on the human body is “insidious and manifests slowly over time, as inflammation damages cellular systems throughout the body… it may in fact be the most biologically disruptive chemical in our environment.”

20 posted on 06/23/2013 9:12:43 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Toddsterpatriot
That’s what we need, more food poisoning.

Nope, what we need is more natural immunity.

The motto of my family for the past several generations is that "every kid needs to eat a pound of dirt". That's why we got kicked out of the house to play, drank milk that was inside a cow 10 minutes earlier, ate beef, pork and poultry that was moving around on its own an hour earlier, and vegetables that were just plucked out of the garden.

21 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:18 AM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: rickmichaels

The cheese head hats are actually cheddar cheese


22 posted on 06/23/2013 9:23:38 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: UB355

Off topic but if Wisconsin is famous for cheese and they are Cheese Heads would it be fair to say that residents Massachusetts (famous for clam chowder) are Chowder Heads?


23 posted on 06/23/2013 9:32:40 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: rickmichaels

I’ll keep drinking my raw milk, thank you very much, big government types.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 9:34:13 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: elkfersupper

“The motto of my family for the past several generations is that ‘every kid needs to eat a pound of dirt’. That’s why we got kicked out of the house to play, drank milk that was inside a cow 10 minutes earlier, ate beef, pork and poultry that was moving around on its own an hour earlier, and vegetables that were just plucked out of the garden.”

I was raised that way. Raised my kids that way. No one in my family had/has any issues that today’s kids are dealing with as far as allergies and mental illnesses, LOL!

I grew up on cement in inner-city Milwaukee, but we went to the Municipal Market (basically a Farmer’s Market before they got sissified) every week for fresh foodstuffs and live chickens to butcher.

I cannot WAIT to move further out into the hinterlands. Me, my dogs, a cow, a goat or a sheep or two. An even bigger garden, etc.

Life is so GOOD when you can escape the clutches of Mother Government! :)


25 posted on 06/23/2013 9:55:07 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BUMP! :)


26 posted on 06/23/2013 9:55:56 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Life is so GOOD when you can escape the clutches of Mother Government! :)

Great! You can run, but you can't hide. I've been researching ways to avoid the 8,000 lb. "Mom" sitting in the corner for years and have yet to discover how to do it.

The only thing I have found that appears promising is to fake your own death.

27 posted on 06/23/2013 10:00:35 AM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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Grew up in Wisconsin drinking raw milk and never got sick from it.

Didn't Abe Lincoln's mother die from milk sickness though?

28 posted on 06/23/2013 10:06:28 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: rickmichaels

Having worked for one of the world’s most famous Infectious Disease specialists (Dr Louis Weinstein...google him) in one of the world’s most famous hospitals I wouldn’t touch unpasteurized dairy products with a 12 foot Hungarian.Yes,I know that some of the “libertarians” around here think that *all* laws and regulations are oppressive but at least some,however,are essentially beneficial.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 10:09:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Mastador1

Yes...very fair...totally on topic though. Maybe if they had all those commies en Mass shoot their own food and milk their milk they would snap out of the spell Karl Marx put on them!


30 posted on 06/23/2013 10:12:20 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: rickmichaels
The jury was sympathetic: on May 25th Mr Hershberger was acquitted of operating without the proper licences, although he was found guilty of moving food the authorities had ordered him to keep as evidence after the raid.

The jury states that they would not have found him guilty of that if they had know that the secondary charge arose from the first which they acquitted on.

They have since written to the judge informing him of such and have stated in public that they were wrong. They are rather upset with the state and their bag of underhanded tricks.

31 posted on 06/23/2013 10:13:44 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Thumper1960

But you can eat boogers, and boost your immunity:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57582419/eating-boogers-may-boost-immunity-scientist-suspects/


32 posted on 06/23/2013 10:16:23 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: carriage_hill

LOL


33 posted on 06/23/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: DJ MacWoW; rickmichaels
Just think of all those poor people that died before the government helped control milk!

I know you put the sarcasm tag afterwords, but the reality is that milk was responsible for 25% of all food-poisoning incidents before pasteurization. Food poisoning can cause permanent disability and even death--it is *not* a trivial matter.

Pathogens that can be found in raw milk include, but are not limited to Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis, Salmonella, Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Shigella, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus pyogenes, and Yersinia enterocolitica. The most common, Campylobacter, can cause paralysis. The E. coli O157:H7 can cause organ failure. Any of these can kill.

According to recent studies, you are 150 times more likely to become ill from raw milk products than pasteurized milk products.

Those who sell raw milk make all kinds of unsubstantiated claims about it. None of them stand up to scientific scrutiny. For instance, lactose is neither created nor destroyed by heat, so the claims that raw milk is somehow safe to drink by the lactose intolerant have no basis. It's clear why those who sell raw milk make those claims--it's expensive to pasteurize milk and keep up with all of the food safety requirements--making it so much more profitable to make bogus claims about health benefits of raw milk in order to attract customers who may not be scientifically knowledgeable.

There is a reason pasteurization was invented. There is a reason most governments require pasteurization, just as they set other food safety standards. If you want to know what life is like in a place where there are no standards, or standards are not enforced, I suggest doing some research on China or third world countries.

http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/raw-milk-hot-topics
http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consumers/ucm079516.htm
or just Google "raw milk hazards" or similar phrase.

34 posted on 06/23/2013 10:43:10 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The wisdom or folly of drinking raw milk is completely irrelevant. You are too f****** stupid to see that.


35 posted on 06/23/2013 11:04:29 AM PDT by DManA (our)
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To: rickmichaels

Our future..regulated milk and open boarders.


36 posted on 06/23/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Gay State Conservative

So typical of a Big Government “conservative” You bark out commands and expect me jump.

You can go to hell you fascist sob.


38 posted on 06/23/2013 11:42:51 AM PDT by DManA (our)
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To: exDemMom; rickmichaels
That's the disinformation campaign. And it's pretty good at what it does.

People became ill when they used milk from cows kept in unsanitary conditions in cities. Pasteurization was a lot cheaper than cleaning up filthy dairies. Pasteurization and homogenization also gives milk a long shelf life so it can be shipped from dairy conglomerates to stores. Control of food is everything to government.

Pasteurization also alters the chemical structure, makes fats rancid, destroys nutrients and results in the formation of free radicals in the body.

You can buy into the fear tactics and believe that you need government to be your Mommy.

You have a nice, safe day.

39 posted on 06/23/2013 11:45:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: exDemMom

I know you put the sarcasm tag afterwords, but the reality is that milk was responsible for 25% of all food-poisoning incidents before pasteurization.


You points are good but sometime problems need to be defined well. You cite a statistic that is not current. Some points to consider is that pasteurization is NOT the only factor. Freshness, Refrigeration, transport, storage, etc were/are also factors. I also drank a lot of fresh natural milk on the farm, but it was always replaced with more fresh milk and the older milk was fed to the livestock. If a current consumer wants a product, let him/her. It may not be right for you but is for some. Living in a large city I would never go the fresh milk route for a variety of reasons. Also, I would never go into the business of fresh milk unless I knew my customers and my financial risk with them.

Also today we have too MANY regulatory govt mechanisms. Plus courts with liability enforcement, etc. And then we also have many non profits looking out for our welfare. Insurance is also a modern day factor and expanse.

My major point is that you and I have our opinion but give a little freedom to those who have other preferences. There is a tough balance between freedom and safety, even we conservatives want to impose our will on others.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 11:48:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: DManA
I guess the beer was too tempting to put down,eh? Or is it that you know that your vocabulary is too limited to respond in a literate,reasoned fashion.*Do* let me know where you live and I'll pay you a visit within 24 hours to clean out every blessed thing in that shack you live in because *I* think of all laws prohibiting *theft* are "fascist".

BTW...do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

41 posted on 06/23/2013 11:49:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: elkfersupper

Oh, I already did THAT! ;)


42 posted on 06/23/2013 11:57:20 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I could be crawling on the floor drunk and still know there’s a difference between the government proscribing theft and the government prescribing a diet.

What’s your excuse fascist?


43 posted on 06/23/2013 12:01:01 PM PDT by DManA (our)
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To: DManA

Good God...there are some scary individuals here on FR.Not many,but a few. A diet? Tell us everything you know about bacteria and viruses.Focus on the multitude of ways that they can be transmitted from animals to humans and from human to human.I’ve got 5 seconds.And why not knock off the “fascist” stuff...unless you *enjoy* sounding like Barney Fag.What’s your Dumpster Underground screen name,anyway?


44 posted on 06/23/2013 12:11:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Tell us everything you know about bacteria and viruses.

Again with the orders. You apparently *enjoy* (silly affectation that) sounding like Colonel Klink.

45 posted on 06/23/2013 12:15:11 PM PDT by DManA (our)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That's the disinformation campaign. And it's pretty good at what it does.

To be fair, very few things are purely evil just like most people are not pure evil.

There are some good things about our current food system, including pasteurization.

“Pasteurization also alters the chemical structure, makes fats rancid, destroys nutrients and results in the formation of free radicals in the body.”

I would have to question the above points. Rancid (besides being a current punk rock band) refers to the oxygenation of fats and was a problem in early pasteurization techniques but improved high temp, lower times periods helped reduce this problem. It may destroy some nutrients but will also preserve some nutrients. Personally I have never been comfortable with the free radical concept. The body is an amazing creation and some MAY be affected by this but for example, not ALL smokers get cancer and in fact some smoking may be beneficial for some.

From the comments here this is a very emotional issue and this is a complex issue because God made us unique and complex. But freedom of choice is the overriding issue and along with freedom comes responsibility.

46 posted on 06/23/2013 12:15:44 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: PeterPrinciple
But freedom of choice is the overriding issue

I absolutely agree. But there is always something more important than freedom on people's minds so it becomes rarer and rarer.

47 posted on 06/23/2013 12:34:56 PM PDT by DManA (our)
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To: exDemMom
You, and other do gooders, miss the point. The point being some people prefer raw milk. The government has no business making people drink stuff they don't want to drink. The solution is to keep government out of it altogether. If you must have a law, then a law that requires dairies to provide a certain percent of their product pasteurized would suffice. Outlawing raw milk altogether is unconstitutional and not part of the governments allowed authority. Why can't both pasteurized and raw milk be sold? If some people are willing to risk the diseases that can possibly come with drinking raw milk that is their business and not yours or the governments.

I am sure the vast majority of people would continue to drink pasteurized milk and the amount of raw milk sold would be very small compared to the processed type.

Once again, it is not the governments job to save me, or anyone, from their own actions.

48 posted on 06/23/2013 12:53:07 PM PDT by calex59
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To: PeterPrinciple

It is absolutely about choice and I am dismayed to see some posters that want to control others choices. We have become a society of controls......even on FR.


49 posted on 06/23/2013 2:02:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: rickmichaels

I think I will have another glass of raw milk.
I have about half a gallon of it in my fridge.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 2:11:11 PM PDT by AirForce-TechSgt ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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