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ACLU to Obama: ‘We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear’
The Washington Examiner ^ | 6/23/2013 | JOEL GEHRKE

Posted on 06/23/2013 8:20:04 PM PDT by Beave Meister

Under President Obama, the United States is “a nation governed by fear,” the American Civil Liberties Union says in an open letter that echoes the criticisms Obama has made of George W. Bush’s national security policies.

“[W]e say as Americans that we are tired of seeing liberty sacrificed on the altar of security and having a handful of lawmakers decide what we should and should not know,” the ACLU writes in a statement circulated to grassroots supporters and addressed to Obama. “We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear instead of the principles of freedom and liberty that made this nation great.”

It’s strange to read in light of Obama’s disavowal of Bush. “[T]oo often — our government made decisions based upon fear rather than foresight, and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions,” Obama said in 2009. “Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, we too often set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And in this season of fear, too many of us — Democrats and Republicans; politicians, journalists and citizens — fell silent.”

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aclu; america; ap; comgress; communist; congress; constitution; corruption; democrats; doj; edwardsnowden; fraud; irs; liberals; nationalsecurity; nsa; obama; scandals
You know what they say...."When you've lost the ACLU..."
1 posted on 06/23/2013 8:20:04 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

I can support the ACLU on this.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 8:24:06 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Beave Meister

This would be fun to watch if Obama loses the ACLU...


3 posted on 06/23/2013 8:24:41 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Beave Meister

Yeah, the fear of the ACLU suing you for any slight against their principles.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 8:25:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Beave Meister

If 0bamacare doesn’t make the ACLU sick to their stomachs, it surely will very soon..


5 posted on 06/23/2013 8:26:34 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Beave Meister; a fool in paradise
Broken 24 hour clock.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 8:29:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Beave Meister

so I agree with the aclu, but I don’t agree with dick cheney or most people on fox.

did I just fall down the rabbit hole?


7 posted on 06/23/2013 8:30:59 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Beave Meister

Even the ACLU can’t make a dent in Ali bama. He has too much holding him up.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 8:31:52 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Beave Meister

Like Snowden said, consent of the governed is not consent if the governed are intentionally mis-informed by the governing.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 8:32:16 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Beave Meister

What goes around comes around. Halleluya if it turns out to be true that the once noble ACLU has refound its way after so many decades of its having been infiltrated by the actual enemies of civil liberties.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 8:34:01 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Beave Meister

Progressives have the capacity to eat their own. In this case, let the ACLU dine in style!


11 posted on 06/23/2013 8:35:53 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: willywill

Indeed you did.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 8:36:00 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Beave Meister

That’s pretty remarkable. I don’t know if they mean freedom for the rest of us (that is, non-leftist, non-”progressives”) but it’s remarkable that even the left represented by the ACLU feels a little panicky about Obama.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 8:36:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: willywill

If so I’m down the same rabbit hole. I think at the core all Americans are shaken by the loss of freedoms and liberties that differentiate us from every of country, whether the admit it or not.


14 posted on 06/23/2013 8:36:43 PM PDT by tatown
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To: Beave Meister

I’m tired of being ruled by brain dead douche bags.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 8:37:35 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: willywill

I know what you mean. It’s been eye-opening to see how people fall out on this issue.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 8:40:30 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Beave Meister

I’ve agreed with the ACLU on maybe 3 issues. I’m on board with this one for sure and here’s why.

Recent events here have caused me to become more than a little interested in the history of Nazi Germany.

That interest has drawn me to some of the films made of that sad period. “Schindler’s List”, “Surviving Hitler”, “Sophie Scholl”, “Downfall”, “Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State” and others.

But the film that jelled my alleged mind and brought me to this attempt to relate those events with what is happening here was “Der Letzte Zug” (“The Last Train”) depicting in excruciating detail the nearly week-long trip to Auschwitz of the last Jews forced from Berlin. Confined in sealed cattle cars with no food and water, they plotted largely futile escape attempts as, one-by-one, the weakest among them died.

As I watched, I sought to understand the common thread(s) that set them on a course to their premature graves at the hands of Hitler and his minions.

There were many.

One was the economic destruction of post WWI Germany by the Treaty of Versailles. Its punitive reparations made conditions ripe for the rise of the Nazis and their promises. In fact, some historians believe that Versailles was intentionally designed by those who profit from such activities to sow the seeds for Hitler and WWII. That is, however, a topic for another day.

Another element necessary for the Holocaust was Hitler’s disarmament of the civilian population. Though the compliant Germans allowed that disarmament to begin in 1919 and intensify in 1928, it became draconian when the Nazis took total control.

And, of course, the Antisemitism present then and now in Europe played a large role as most of their non-Jewish neighbors ignored the growing persecution that began in early 1933.

The historical Prussian mindset – of Jews and non-Jews alike – was to trust and obey those in charge of the state apparatus. It goes without saying that that is a more or less universal characteristic of populations living under “elected” governments. After the chaos of the Wiemar Republic, many of them saw Hitler as a savior, exacerbating the problem.

This brings me to THE element that I believe caused so many Jews to meekly submit to the homicidal madness: Their notion that, despite the rumors, whispers and, ultimately, the outright verbalization of that madness by their elected leaders, “THAT could never happen here”.

“THAT could never happen here” is perhaps the most dangerous phrase in ANY language – especially for us here in America at this time.

If you have been paying attention, you must see numerous parallels between Hitler’s Germany and Obama’s Amerika. (Misspelling intentional.)

Admit it or not, Obama, his minions and handlers are doing all they can to drive the unemployment rate higher, causing increasingly desperate men and woman to further swell government payrolls. Hitler put many desperate Germans into his Brown Shirts, SS, regular military, etc.

Though some of Obama’s supporters – the small numbers with functioning brains – are losing faith in him, a frightening number of them still “worship” him and would unquestioningly support just about anything he proposed if the “free” goodies keep coming their way and he assured them that only his – and their – enemies were to be “reeducated” or eliminated.

What these pseudo-intellectuals fail or refuse to grasp is that history teaches that even if THEY are one of those who gets a seat near the throne of their new “leader”, they, too, are in peril. Once firmly in power, said “leader” has a distressing tendency to not only purge the population of his opponents but eventually gets around to any among those who helped him to that power he perceives to be less than sufficiently worshipful and/or possesses sufficient intellectual firepower to challenge him. Think Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot and, of course, Hitler.

Fortunately for freedom here, Obama’s efforts to DISARM us have stalled – FOR NOW! All that is keeping him in check is his understanding that to make his final play before doing so would be to put his life and the lives of his inner circle and handlers at serious risk.

If you are STILL not convinced that this fellow has sinister plans for those who dare to oppose him, please view the short video at the link below. (For those with short memories, Bill Ayers is – despite Ayers’ comments about drones – STILL one of Obama’s closest associates and is believed to have authored Obama’s book). Ayers founded the Weather Underground mentioned in the video.

As you watch it, remember that when that meeting occurred, our population was approximately 250 million. 25 million would have represented 10%. Come forward to our current population of approximately 315 million and that 10% would equal 31.5 million of us.
That COULD explain the billions of hollow point bullets now being delivered to Big Sis and her cohorts at Faterlandt Security.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlN2t0oERHk

There people are as SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK!

But THAT could never happen here, right?

“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic
for which it stands.  Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened
once in 6,000 years, may not happen again.
Hold on to theConstitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.”
Daniel Webster


17 posted on 06/23/2013 8:40:41 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (ww)
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To: Beave Meister

The ACLU are communists. If they said “the sky is blue”, I would have to go outside and see for myself.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 8:44:37 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Beave Meister

Finally we have the opportunity for a real realignment in this country, uniting those who are appalled by governmental interference in our lives, whether on the left or the right, versus the true communist/Marxist fascist radicals on the other side.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 8:46:27 PM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: Piranha

The ACLU has a lot of b**ls bellyaching about loss of liberty. The ACLU has worked tirelessly over decades to erode the very liberties about which they now obsess.

Their hypocrisy is exceeded only by their ignorance.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 9:20:51 PM PDT by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: huckfillary

“Their hypocrisy is exceeded only by their ignorance”

Well, at least on this one issue they have seen the light. We should encourage that, while realizing they usually do more harm than good. The enemy of our enemy is our friend, at least for the moment.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 9:27:09 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Incredible post! Thank you.


22 posted on 06/23/2013 9:28:41 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Beave Meister

Hey, ACLU...what took you so long?


23 posted on 06/23/2013 9:32:11 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jane Long

“Welcome to the party, pal.”.......John McClane, Die Hard


24 posted on 06/23/2013 10:16:41 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Dick Bachert

very good post.

I would add one thing that I find kind of interesting relative to your Nazi example.
hitler used his beloved sa to bring him to power, once there he killed his best friend and sa leader and made the ss the supreme police force.
ok, so there are a lot of things you can say about the aclu, stupid not being one of them. maybe they see the parallels we do, and they don’t want to be obamas sa.


25 posted on 06/24/2013 1:02:29 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Beave Meister
Means nothing.
They helped re-elect him - and now the "useful idiots" are useful no more.
26 posted on 06/24/2013 3:40:44 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Beave Meister

Call for Soebarkah’s impeachment and then maybe I’ll take the ACLU seriously...


27 posted on 06/24/2013 6:37:03 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: willywill

Yes, Obama’s USEFUL IDIOTS should think Ernst Rohm at some point!


28 posted on 06/24/2013 9:38:23 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ww)
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To: willywill

Yes, Obama’s USEFUL IDIOTS should think Ernst Rohm at some point!


29 posted on 06/24/2013 9:38:36 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ww)
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To: Aria

TYVM. Please share as moved to do so while it’s still legal (sort of).


30 posted on 06/24/2013 9:40:03 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ww)
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To: willywill

TYVM. Please share as moved to do so while it’s still legal (sort of).


31 posted on 06/24/2013 9:40:17 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ww)
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