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Where does one go when one doesn't want to be an American anymore?
Vanity | 6.26.13 | golux

Posted on 06/26/2013 12:13:06 PM PDT by golux

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To: varmintman
One possibility is Russia

'tis a desperate time in America, when moving to Russia looks like a viable option.

101 posted on 06/26/2013 1:03:22 PM PDT by wbill
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To: dfwgator
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102 posted on 06/26/2013 1:03:23 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: SpinnerWebb
Yep. And worst of all, we also ran out of beer.

See, I told you it was horrible.

103 posted on 06/26/2013 1:03:36 PM PDT by red-dawg
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To: Crimson Elephant
I’m no expert by any means, but isn’t Australia actually worse with climate/censorship/gun rights/taxes?

Yep, plus you got to pony up $2M to invest in their country.

104 posted on 06/26/2013 1:04:10 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: golux
Where to go?

I understand Ecuador is popular lately.

105 posted on 06/26/2013 1:04:49 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: golux

A good question and I think very well reasoned. I was content to just read the reply’s as I usually do - but as you put a good effort Into it - I thought I would tell you of what I have found.
I’ve been searching for about 6 years now for a place to escape to, to raise my family as I see fit - and to live free - and last year I believe I have found that place right here in America. I was so intrigued about this location that last summer I took a job there for 12 weeks just to really be sure.
It’s hard enough to get to that most would pass it by - if they even know its there. And in a full blown collapse would be completely isolated.
Firearms freedom is intact - shall issue, open carry, and kids with guns walking down the road to shoot squirrels is normal. There is 1 law enforcement officer - part time - when he’s not manning the pizza station. Seat belts, and being of driving age is something he doesn’t concern himself with, and cruising around with friends and some beers are ok as long as your not being dangerous.
There is a lot more on the positive side - and some negatives (my 14 year old social diva daughter will tell you). But my point is - there are places, and you do not have to be a foreigner in another country to find them.
Good luck to you FRiend

106 posted on 06/26/2013 1:05:11 PM PDT by arrow107
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To: golux

It seems to me that if you don’t want to be an American anymore, you somehow get elected as President under the false pretense of being an American and live at the White Crib. Best example I can think of.

107 posted on 06/26/2013 1:05:44 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Bon mots

Dziekuje bardzo.

108 posted on 06/26/2013 1:06:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: golux

Belize. Costa Rica. New Zealand. Switzerland. Some of these you will need significant cash in order to become a resident.

Fred Reed ( is fond of Mexico, despite its current state.

109 posted on 06/26/2013 1:07:19 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: dfwgator
Actually most of the Polish I pick up comes from listening to Polish music. I have an Internet station I listen to.

Which station?

I listen to two rock stations - Eska Rock and AntyRadio. :)

110 posted on 06/26/2013 1:09:07 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Crimson Elephant
but isn’t Australia actually worse with climate/censorship/gun rights/taxes?

Correct, they are both generally FURTHER along the progressive decline than we are and way worse in terms of political correctness. When I last visited them years ago that wasn't yet the case.

111 posted on 06/26/2013 1:09:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: red-dawg

I hear those coon-asses to the East still have beer. Put on your waders and go to Louisiana.

red-dawg and I will be along shortly... don’t wait up.

112 posted on 06/26/2013 1:09:27 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Da Coyote
lots of folks are going to “just say no”....followed by “make my day”.

I just read "What I saw at the Coup", written by FR's own Travis McGee. Excellent piece of short fiction, I recommend it.

In it, he presents what you suggest, precisely.

And FWIW, I don't think that there will be some overarching Conservative Plot to kick the current WH occupant out. When have Conservatives ever agreed on anything? They're like herding cats. Jeez, just post something on FR, you'll get 30 posters replying with 50 different opinions. :-)

Nope, I think that "What I saw at the Coup" is on to something. Revolution happening, but via people acting singly or in pairs, all independently.

113 posted on 06/26/2013 1:09:34 PM PDT by wbill
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To: golux

well with Obama in charge it’s kind of like Islam ,once in there is only one way out ,Good Luck

114 posted on 06/26/2013 1:09:37 PM PDT by molson209
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To: ottbmare

Great post. It’s a big country & there’s a lot of room in it to find a place away from a lot of this madness, but of course not all of it. I told my kids that they can do what they see fit in the future which is why I got this second passport & access for them to bug-out.

115 posted on 06/26/2013 1:10:49 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Bon mots

They have a ton of different stations to choose from.

116 posted on 06/26/2013 1:11:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Uncle Miltie
I’ll retire as soon as I can and ignore this utter stupidity, until the guns are drawn.

Unfortunately, I cannot retire for at least 10 years. I doubt there will ever be a Civil War. If there is, it will end up being something like the the Jacobite Rebellion in 1745.

I do know I'm finished with politics. Any money I would have sent to Republican RINO candidates will be spent on my wife and dog and myself to make life bearable. I'll spend my political contributions on cigars or bottles of fine wine before I'll send another dollar to those RINO Judases.

And I'll have no liberal/statist friends.

117 posted on 06/26/2013 1:11:58 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: dfwgator
If anyone else wants to hear a Pimsleur Language sample, I found a whole page of them with a large selection of foreign languages.

Pimsleur Language Courses

I uncovered them with Search Songs

118 posted on 06/26/2013 1:12:00 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Timber Rattler

Despite the many and obvious hardships the life of the Lykovs has a certain appeal. Thank you for sharing that with us.

119 posted on 06/26/2013 1:12:05 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: red-dawg

“There are NO jobs, No women, No water, No air, the people are rude and we ran out of food years ago.”

You forgot to mention all the crawling and slithering things with a poisous bite.

Don’t go to Texas, ever. :)

120 posted on 06/26/2013 1:12:07 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” - Orwell)
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To: red-dawg

Sounds like Massatwochitts.

121 posted on 06/26/2013 1:12:11 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: ChocChipCookie
True, but you can change this...just costs some dough. You can, literally and lawfully, purchase citizenship in the Caribbean island nation of Domenica. Costs about $125,000, probably less with a well-placed bribe or two.

After you have done so, AND HAVE THAT NATION'S PASSPORT IN HAND, simply go to any US embassy on foreign soil and sign a 'formal renunciation of citizenship' form. No cost, as far as I know, and you should be good to go -- AND LAWFULLY FREE of the IRS forever -- in, perhaps, 60 days' time.

And, you can still lawfully travel to the US to see friends and relatives. Frankly, I should not be surprised to see the Kenyan Marxist try to get the Regress to change this law, or change it by Executive Odor. OTOH, perhaps this subhuman has more on his plate than that to concern him, these days.

No matter what you decide to do, GET INFORMED NOW. Not all confinement walls are of the East Berlin variety, true?


122 posted on 06/26/2013 1:12:32 PM PDT by SAJ
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LOL. Outstanding

123 posted on 06/26/2013 1:15:00 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: golux

Rural and small town America in a red state still the best place to live. Things just look bad because we are used to so much better.

The Bahamas are nice, but if things go really bad, food could be an issue. There is too much salt to grow produce so most food is brought in. Medical coverage is very good, even non-citizens get medical coverage if they are residents. But overall, not as good as America, and I have relatives living there so I’m familiar with the situation.

And I tire of constant summer, with the only change being rain or no rain.

I’ll stick it out in the States. My kid is grown, she can figure it out for herself.

People talking New Zealand can forget it. They only take brain surgeons and such, very picky. Swiss people tell me there is no economic opportunity there unless you come from the “right families.”

I suspect that all the lauded alternatives to America aren’t as good once you try to live in them.

Maybe if you kept moving so as to always feel like you are on vacation you’d be happy. But that’s expensive.

124 posted on 06/26/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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125 posted on 06/26/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Safetgiver

I’ll add my two cents to your question. Essentially I think you’re asking, “where can an American go and live with at least a semblance of the values expressed in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution”?

I love this country and what it stood for. I love the places in our nation where our American values are still lived out in their local governments. Admittedly that is now a shrinking commodity (or at least it appears to be).

The problem with moving, even within the U.S., is what about one’s family members? - I’m talking grandchildren, parents, kids (on all sides). It doesn’t seem right to leave them behind. It’s a real problem because even if all wanted to move, what about jobs let alone a place to live?

What have some of you done about dealing with those family issues?

126 posted on 06/26/2013 1:16:34 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: golux

This is exactly how I feel at this very moment!

127 posted on 06/26/2013 1:16:58 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Right now I’d settle for a place that still celebrates Western Civilization.

128 posted on 06/26/2013 1:17:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Right now I’d settle for a place that still celebrates Western Civilization.

Vatican. It's a state.

129 posted on 06/26/2013 1:19:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: red-dawg
LOL...that's what I tell everyone about GA where I live.

We have lots of wimmin, but they're toothless, ugly, aggressive, desperate...and randy.

130 posted on 06/26/2013 1:22:12 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: cripplecreek

exactly ... thank you

131 posted on 06/26/2013 1:22:50 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( --
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To: 1rudeboy

yes, I can see the southern baptists running off to the Crimea

132 posted on 06/26/2013 1:26:54 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( --
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To: Bearshouse

I cried while reading this. It’s apparent that we are headed for civil war and most of us who understand what is lost are too old to fight it. The only thing that may bring us back is the monetary implosion that is inevitable. When people have to put there minds to survival, they will pay attention and will want retribution for the stupidity and criminal behavior that brought a once great country to her knees.

I echo your thoughts - every day. I’m depressed a lot of the time and have a hard time covering that up in front of my family (my husband totally understands but I don’t want to go around with a long face in front of my kids all the time.)I wish we were free to move somewhere, at least out to a very small town, or even as you said, to another country. I’d love to find another country and move with a large group of Christian/conservatives, kind of like the pilgrims did so long ago.

I too almost pray for an economic collapse to come. As horrible as that sounds, it may be the only way we get out from under the horrible oppressive government and possibly have a wake up and repentance of the depraved citizens. I get teary eyed all the time at different things., just talking with my elderly mom (in her 90s) about the way things used to be, remembering how things were even just 20-30 years ago (even though the rot had already set in, you just couldn’t see it as obviously yet) and think, my kids will never remember the way America was, when it was good and moral and free.

133 posted on 06/26/2013 1:46:06 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Just curious about your feelings on where to go when things crash and burn in those other nations?

I have a friend who lives in Costa Rica part time and she has an escape plan to the United States in the event of a global collapse. She points out that many friendly locals can go rabid pretty quickly in the face of hardship and being a foreigner in a strange land makes you a stand out target.

Her feeling is that here in the states, unrest will be mostly confined to urban areas and there will always flyover country where a person of reasonable skills can find a place to settle.

134 posted on 06/26/2013 1:53:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: golux

Depends on how much money you have.

135 posted on 06/26/2013 2:06:04 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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I have thought about this before, too, but I still have a mustard seed of faith left in those who inhabit the deepest parts of America. There are millions of square miles in this nation where people live, work and raise their families, and these same people love our land AND love truth. They hate tyranny, and many of them own firearms. IF it comes down to it, and it might, there will be a VERY brutal, ugly and effective resistance to the Leftists and other statist types. Just come to Arkansas sometime and drive through the vast forest wilderness; imagine being some Obama stooge from Washington or Massachusetts stumbling around in the woods looking for patriots. They WILL die.

136 posted on 06/26/2013 2:06:21 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: golux

I have been moved and enlightened by the posts so far on this thread, as well as the private messages. I have read them carefully.

I am always thrilled and amazed at how worldly, experienced and smart FReepers are. Maybe this thread can serve as some sort of clearing house for ideas.

I don’t really disagree with anyone except those who count on a “revolution.” We are too weak, to indoctrinated, too fat, too undeserving even of His blessings in such an endeavor. I am reminded of the last lines of that old TS Eliot poem:

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

Not with a bang but a whimper.

Belize? Malta? These are possibilities I had not even considered.

Finally, to those who say “stick it out” that when you have young kids the stakes are insanely high. I am not worried about ME. I am worried, as the founders were, about my progeny.

137 posted on 06/26/2013 2:10:43 PM PDT by golux
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To: 1rudeboy
but hey, it’s an (allegedly) Christian nation.

Try a google search on "храм христа спасителя"

Looks pretty Christian to me:

I mean, that's for starters. They're in the process of building 200 new Christian churches in and around Moscow.

138 posted on 06/26/2013 2:12:45 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: 1rudeboy; varmintman

I’d say we are almost equal to Russia now. I’m originally from the USSR and this is terrifying.

-We have more social freedom but they have more economic freedom. The tax rate in Russia is a flat 13% and practically no regulations for most industries. You’ll never find a billion dollar construction project delayed because of a snail in Russia.

-Government corruption is sky high in both nations but the Russian government is a much smaller beast with not much room to grow. You see, Russians are much better adapted to deal with corruption and have seen government as an enemy for almost 100 years. Most Americans still believe government is good and will feed the beast until it eats them.

-They have violent organized criminals. We have violent feral criminals.

-Huge mafia influence and “business” violence are the biggest problems in Russia. The only real law is the barrel of a gun. There are plenty of raw resources and capable workers but nobody wants to invest if the competition will literally put a gun to their head. I believe Russia will be the #1 nation, per capita, if the rule of law prevails.

139 posted on 06/26/2013 2:18:28 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Graewoulf
Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag! It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation! For example: While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to “get a bill passed this year,” nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA. llegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages. 1.) End the Anchor Baby Law. 2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA). 3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens. 4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien. 5.) Spend NO money on “securing the border.” It is a bottomless money pit. 6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once. 7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and US Coast Guard. 8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever. 9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement. Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!

Unbelievable. You want us to continue to use the corrupted political process which has failed to slow down the the decay. I reject your blind, finger-in-the-dike, mentality. It's over. O-V-E-R. A majority of pagans, with all of their dehumanizing values, have won the battle for the heart and soul of this once great nation. All that's left for them is the mopping up action against the powerless. Keep your slogans and phone campaigns. They do nothing to reverse the tide.

140 posted on 06/26/2013 2:21:55 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: arrow107

You got me. I won’t beg, but if you’d care to tell me where you’re talking about I will make a personal oath to you right now that I will never publish, broadcast, or post the name of this place. (But I might see you at the pizza place!)

Thanks for your post.

141 posted on 06/26/2013 2:28:41 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

Costa Rica or Panama.

They openly embrace Americans coming to live and work and will grant practically immediate visas.

142 posted on 06/26/2013 2:32:10 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: golux

I understand your concern about your kids. My grandfather helped me set up my Irish passport back in the day & frankly, at the time, I did it more for him than myself. But, by doing that, I can now pass on my Irish citizenship to them. What they do is up to least they can get out of here if needs be. I’ll be deep in flyover country in several years & deal with what comes.

143 posted on 06/26/2013 2:32:36 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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When I started reading this thread I knew you’d jump in.

BTW, I hated “The Cloud Dwellers”.

144 posted on 06/26/2013 2:35:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: golux
Costa Rica.

There are reportedly 3 million U.S. ex-pats there.

The problem is that those people are busy wrecking it for everybody else and the IRS follows you everywhere you go, even if you renounce your citizenship.

145 posted on 06/26/2013 2:38:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: golux

Everyone’s answer will have to be different.

Look up. Pray. You can afford to make a few mistakes if God is with you; you cannot afford to make this kind of decision without taking him with you.

Some of us will be called to ride out the storm; some will be called to get our families to safe haven. Only God knows which is you and where that is for you.

In either case its not really about you as I suspect you already know. In either case you will have to be there for the folks who are counting on you.

146 posted on 06/26/2013 2:38:37 PM PDT by marron
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To: arrow107

Ok, I’ll bite. Is this some town in Alaska??

147 posted on 06/26/2013 2:40:11 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: 43north
Russia is dead set against homo rights. Christianity is experiencing a monumental resurgence. Their borders are secure. They do not tolerate mudslime terrorists and call them what they are. They are pretty much energy independent and don’t follow the cult of gorebull warming. They mine minerals and use them to create wealth and opportunity.

All of this sounds intoxicating - vodka aside, and I do love it - but I wonder if there are any Jews left in Russia. I will admit I couldn't help but smile at the "NYET" headline on Drudge: Putin surely thinks of Obama what Netanyahu thinks of Obama. And then there's the language. Quite a challenge, but not impossible. The posts on this thread about Russia have been fascinating.
148 posted on 06/26/2013 2:43:56 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

I’m in complete agreement, but rather than flee, why not stay and fight? Of course, somebody has to start the revolution, and nobody seems willing to do that.
All that has gone wrong, we have permitted. The people whom we revere as the Founding Fathers, did not flee or shrink from fighting.
That’s why we had the nation we now haven’t the guts to defend and preserve.

149 posted on 06/26/2013 2:49:29 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Fledermaus

Hiya, Batsy — LTNT!

150 posted on 06/26/2013 2:59:57 PM PDT by SAJ
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