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Where does one go when one doesn't want to be an American anymore?
Vanity | 6.26.13 | golux

Posted on 06/26/2013 12:13:06 PM PDT by golux

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To: golux; newgeezer

Sadly, America.


151 posted on 06/26/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by DungeonMaster ( 1Cor 7:21Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it;)
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To: Fledermaus

Hiya, Batsy — LTNT!


152 posted on 06/26/2013 3:03:50 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: apillar

The U.S. has a lot of natural resources. Russia or China will own us once that culture is in charge. I hate to say it but we’d probably be better off if Russia was to take over. Having served in the military during the Cold War I can’t believe I’m thinking this way.

No flames, please. I can’t help the way I think.


153 posted on 06/26/2013 3:05:10 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Fledermaus
BTW, guy, as of 16 May 2012 (!), Panama has a NEW permanent visa/residence programme. You'll love this: you need 1) $5000 or more in a Panamanian bank, 2) a job (UNspecified as to condition!) with any Panamanian company, 3) a personal reference from a Panameno, 4) a clean police record.

That's IT! In short, any decent American/Canadian will qualify. Couple of hundred in attorney's fees, I've no doubt.

And, unlike the famed Panamanian pensionado programme, with this visa, one is still on the citizenship track. Have to speak Spanish well and know Panamanian history. Not onerous at all...well, except that SAJ is a poor linguist, but I'm working on it, working on it.

154 posted on 06/26/2013 3:15:13 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ
2) a job (UNspecified as to condition!) with any Panamanian company

Does it count if the new immigrant happens to own the panamanian company? In other words, you establish your own business?

155 posted on 06/26/2013 3:18:06 PM PDT by marron
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To: golux

I’ll stick it out here. If it hits the fan, I’ll go back to the woods in a county with 20,000 people and away from the priority areas for the feds.


156 posted on 06/26/2013 3:19:38 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: 0.E.O

It’s a good place to consider.

If Texas doesn’t seceed, it won’t be Texas much longer.


157 posted on 06/26/2013 3:20:57 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: SAJ

Could have swore you were quite a cunning linguist!

Dang, I don’t speak a lick of Spanish.

Started doing books for small businesses recently. Have a couple of clients. But not a lot of work, pretty much can do it in my sleep.


158 posted on 06/26/2013 3:27:27 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Note to the NSA: I approved this dissention. What are you going to do about it?)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Whoa!
New Zealand is notorious for electing libtards to run the govt.
Remember the US Navy ship that was challenged to reveal if it carried nukes before entering the harbor? We refused to confirm or deny and got kicked out and the SEATO treaty was dissolved as a result.
I know because my hubs was on that ship...just sayin’.


159 posted on 06/26/2013 3:30:29 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

I’m Arkansas born and raised but have lived out of state for 30 years. I’m considering Harrison, Arkansas. It’s got a lot of what I’m looking for. And it doesn’t have a lot of what I’m NOT looking for, if you get my meaning.


160 posted on 06/26/2013 3:30:36 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: varyouga

Very good post, thank you for the profound insight!


161 posted on 06/26/2013 3:33:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SAJ

But they have lizards in the trees that love to land on unsuspecting passers by. Eeeeeeek!


162 posted on 06/26/2013 3:54:00 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: varyouga

I received this from a friend a few minutes ago - it seems pretty relevant to this discussion Cheers!
Putin’s Speech on Feb. 04, 2013

Fat chance, but this is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin....how scary is that?

On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.


163 posted on 06/26/2013 3:54:57 PM PDT by csb
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To: csb

That’s a leader.


164 posted on 06/26/2013 3:57:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: golux

Try Iceland, I hear it’s pretty nice this time of the year......


165 posted on 06/26/2013 3:57:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: golux

wow. you stated feelings i have had so deep down that i stay in denial just to keep my sanity.
i kept thinking.something would be the tipping point where america would finally wake up.
every day every hour i read something new.. so horrific. its a steady stream.
weiner is ahead in NY. Hillary sky high favorability. one posts pictures of his penis. the other stands by while 4 men are murdered.

the dems denounce God three times AND THEY are still seen in a favorable light. they gleefully murder babies but fight to save THEPLANET. God please show us what to do!!!!
i am so sad and so fearful for my kids and grand children. i wont surrender but i have lost hope. our nation has never been so evil.


166 posted on 06/26/2013 4:30:32 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: All

A few Freepers have retired to the Philippines and I plan to do the same in a few years.

Inexpensive. Beautiful beaches and scenery. Beautiful women that do not discriminate against older men. Older people are respected. The people are warm and friendly. English is widely spoken. Etc...

Yes, there is corruption and heartbreaking poverty in many provinces, and Manila Metro is expensive, polluted and a s***hole, but there are 7,107 Islands in the Phils, and the Island of Cebu is one of the best in the world.

Do your research. There are many great places to live in the Phils.

I’m not leaving America. America has left me.


167 posted on 06/26/2013 4:49:14 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Weiner-Holder 2016!)
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To: marron

i was called to prep 20 months ago. came out of nowhere. driving force has not lamented but rather the urgency escalates every month. the burden of that respibsibility is very heavy. i am tired but i keep on keeping on.
ps. your words were encouraging. sometimes i wonder why i am doing this. thank you.


168 posted on 06/26/2013 5:10:18 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: varyouga
I’d say we are almost equal to Russia now. I’m originally from the USSR and this is terrifying.

I remember when I was a junior in high school in 1983 when the Soviets shot down Korean KAL-007. I remember one discussion we had, I asked for "shats and giggles," "what if the USA became the USSR and the USSR became the US? What if we (the US) ever became the Evil Empire?" Looks like I might see the answer to my question.

I remember back then, 1982/85, my German teacher told us that "if we are not careful, we could lose our freedoms." He told us the story of how the Communist countries are and even showed us slides of his 1979 trip he took the class over to Germany. One excursion was into East Germany and he told me that the people were so aloof and unsettles over there like they were in constant fear.

I last talked to him in the early 1990's and he was optimistic then with the fall of Communism but I think he would not be a happy camper now with both his and my concerns seem to be coming to pass right now. I know what he would say but I wish I could still talk to him now, he passed away from cancer in 1993.

I find it ironic that you fled communism but now we are becoming more that way. B-( I like the saying from the old comic, Pogo Possum, "We have met the enemy, he is us." (1971)
169 posted on 06/26/2013 5:22:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Welcome to "1984" 29 years later.....)
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To: varmintman

Those churches are spectacular.


170 posted on 06/26/2013 5:23:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nowhere Man

The Cold War at least gave this nation a sense of purpose....now we are just adrift, standing for nothing, except for policies which will be the downfall of Western Civilization, either from the faggots, or from the Muslims.


171 posted on 06/26/2013 5:24:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Pictures are just of the one "church", that colloal Cathedral of Christ the Savior (храм христа спасителя) in Moscow. There are other churches and cathedrals in Russia....
172 posted on 06/26/2013 5:29:04 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varyouga
Question: What did Genghis Khan (Чингисхан), Tamerlane, Hitler, Stalin, and Attila the Hun have in common?

Answer: None of those guys ever shut down a major agricultural region for the sake of a fish or a lizard...

173 posted on 06/26/2013 5:31:37 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: golux

Mongolia! Yurts are cool, and it would be a great place to be a cowboy and get in shape!


174 posted on 06/26/2013 5:40:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Bon mots

I tried the Pimsleur German.

Not so great.


175 posted on 06/26/2013 5:44:35 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: sauropod
I tried the Pimsleur German. Not so great.

I know a little German.....he's sitting over there.


176 posted on 06/26/2013 5:49:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

We are so far gone that I can’t imagine a single US “leader” saying even one of those lines in defense of the USA


177 posted on 06/26/2013 5:49:10 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: dfwgator

Wonderbar!

Eine hefeweizen auf mi rechnung, bitte!


178 posted on 06/26/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Mears

bfl


179 posted on 06/26/2013 6:04:32 PM PDT by Mears
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To: varyouga
I’d say we are almost equal to Russia now.

LOL--If you like Russia, why not Mexico? It's closer. And practically light-years ahead of it.

180 posted on 06/26/2013 6:18:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: varmintman

And Mexico has churches. /s


181 posted on 06/26/2013 6:18:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: csb; dfwgator

“On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma...”


Putin’s supposed speech you received in email is likely made up. You can check here if you like. . .

http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts?page=12


182 posted on 06/26/2013 6:31:47 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks

Likely penned by Ted Nugent.


183 posted on 06/26/2013 6:41:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
You'll never see Russians coming here to pick lettuce for $7 an hour.

Russians are very cultured educated people just waiting to be set free from the reigns of corruption. They are immune to the PC disease eating away at the West. Heck, Russians also HATE socialism/communism more than anyone. The only people for communism during Soviet times were the party members.

The very word “communism” has been a private joke among Russians since the 60s.

The bottom line is that Russia is going in the right direction while we are on a rocket car going backwards into socialism.

184 posted on 06/26/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: sauropod
I tried the Pimsleur German.

Not so great.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I tried a number of different methods but for me two things worked well:
1.) Pimsleur
2.) Listening to music in the target language (and looking up the lyrics)

I discovered Pimsleur years ago and it is the best method I have found to date - besides moving to a country where the language is spoken and getting into an intimate relationship with one of its locals. (The fastest way to learn is on a pillow they say, and I can confirm this too.)

Later, I read the book, "How to Learn Any Language" by Barry Farber and just before the end of the book, he too discovered Pimsleur and thought that it was like magic. He did speak 25 languages.

A few of my friends are linguists and I introduced them to Pimsleur, they too love it.

If you have a better method that you can learn while driving, walking or without reading along with a manual, please let me know, I would love to try it. I've been meaning to brush up on my lousy Russian.

:)

185 posted on 06/27/2013 12:57:13 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: dfwgator
It's those darn cases. Actually once you learn the basics, it's a fairly easy language to read...speaking it is a whole other matter.

The hardest sound for us to say is the slavic 'Szcz' as seen in the city name, "Szczecin", or at the end of the word "barszcz" (borscht or beet-root soup).

When I first learned, they said to pronounce it like the sound in 'Danish Charter.

Then the other one people have trouble with is km as in "kminek" (fennel). Think of saying c'mere (come here) in English without a space between the c and m.

186 posted on 06/27/2013 1:03:29 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: golux

>> I am tired of arguing with European (Jews, mainly)

GFY.


187 posted on 06/27/2013 1:08:23 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Does GFY mean what I think it means? I have no idea what you’re talking about. You and another person on this thread seem to believe I am an Antisemite? The point is that I am a Jew and in Europe I tend to socialize with other Jews, Europeans, unlike myself, but conservatives, like myself, who are staunchly critical of what has become of the “American way of life.” I said I am tired of arguing with them, which is to say, I am tired of defending America all the time.


188 posted on 06/27/2013 2:30:29 AM PDT by golux
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To: varmintman

That’s pretty funny.


189 posted on 06/27/2013 2:31:10 AM PDT by golux
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To: Bon mots
The idea of trying to pronounce the shch in 'fresh cheese' as a first approximation to the Russian Щ strikes me as overkill. All the thing really amounts to is pronouncing sh and bringing air OVER your tongue instead of under it.
190 posted on 06/27/2013 5:55:10 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: golux

“But what to do? Where to go?”

Come back and fight.


191 posted on 06/27/2013 6:14:08 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: mikeus_maximus; UCANSEE2; All

” - - - All that’s left for them is the mopping up action against the powerless. - - - “

Gollly Lee! I had no idea that all this was so EASY!

Yup, all yah gotta do is tuck your tail and run whenever a foe of Liberty stands in your way.

BTW m.m., don’t let the door hit yuh where the Good Lord split yuh.


192 posted on 06/27/2013 6:58:19 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: thorvaldr

One needs millions to move to Switzerland...or just about anywhere else in the world.


193 posted on 06/27/2013 7:03:11 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: School of Rational Thought

It is very difficult to get into New Zeland. People here are behaving as if one can just pick up and move, like going from New Jersy to Florida.

Other countries don’t want others. Not at all. It is very difficult.


194 posted on 06/27/2013 7:15:32 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: matginzac
Must be another part of Panama (like, say, Darien). I'm in Cocle province, and the lizards around here seem to be mostly skinky/geckoish little dudes who chow down BIG time on the bugs. Haven't seen a lizard in a tree yet.

No need for "eeeks" yet.

;^)

195 posted on 06/27/2013 8:24:28 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: marron
I believe that DOES count. Many expatriates set up what are called "foundations" here, business or otherwise, that have a sorts of benefits at law. Sorry, but this is not yet my thing (it might become so at some point), and I cannot inform very well on the process of and benefits of setting up such a foundation.

I do think, however, that this would certainly qualify one for the 16 May residencia visa. You can very likely find good info on this at sites like sovereignsociety.com and so forth.

If you need the name of a good (and honest!) Panamanian lawyer, I can surely provide one. FReepmail me.

Best, SAJ

196 posted on 06/27/2013 8:35:00 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: marron

Sorry — prev mssg should read “all sorts of benefits”, not “a sorts of benefits”.


197 posted on 06/27/2013 8:36:45 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SMARTY
I intend to stick it out right here, and if there is any opportunity to turn this mess around I am going to be for it. Every time that we elect a Banana for president we lose people who support our American lifestyle. Twenty years ago we still looked like the USA, after that the Chimpanzees took over.
198 posted on 06/27/2013 9:14:57 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Edward Snowden?

Someone get a rope.

199 posted on 06/27/2013 9:16:29 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: varmintman
Yes, Russian has letters designed to represent Slavic sounds like Щ (shch or the Polish equivalent szcz).

The Slavic and other languages have the sound represented by Ж or ż or in English pronounced like the "J" in the French name "Jacques".

The other hard ones to distinguish are Ч, Ц, and Ш (ts, ch, and sh in English...)
But my Russian sucks...

200 posted on 06/27/2013 1:36:00 PM PDT by Bon mots
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