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Where does one go when one doesn't want to be an American anymore?
Vanity | 6.26.13 | golux

Posted on 06/26/2013 12:13:06 PM PDT by golux

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To: golux

Where does one go when one doesn’t want to be an American anymore?....Renegade. Think about it.


51 posted on 06/26/2013 12:29:54 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: golux

I pray that some of the states can secede and we all like minded people can move there. I’m so sick of all this and sick of our side never getting a break.

I told my husband I keep picturing a toilet being flushed, and our country in the middle of it.


52 posted on 06/26/2013 12:30:03 PM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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To: varmintman

Yah, if you dislike freedom, Russia should be at the top of anyone’s list . . . but hey, it’s an (allegedly) Christian nation.


53 posted on 06/26/2013 12:30:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SMARTY

Great line!


54 posted on 06/26/2013 12:30:49 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: Bon mots
Poland is good, but the language is difficult

It's those darn cases. Actually once you learn the basics, it's a fairly easy language to read...speaking it is a whole other matter.

55 posted on 06/26/2013 12:30:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: golux

Agree with you.

New Zealand

As US becomes more and more socialist and authoritarian, then it is just a matter of picking the best of like countries.


56 posted on 06/26/2013 12:31:46 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: SMARTY
“Where does one go when one doesn’t want to be an American anymore?”

Congress

Or SCOTUS,

or the White House Staff.

57 posted on 06/26/2013 12:32:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Amen. Let me know if you find one.


58 posted on 06/26/2013 12:32:47 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: SMARTY

“”Where does one go when one doesn’t want to be an American anymore?”

Congress”

I vote that answer to be the greatest response of the week. Maybe even month.


59 posted on 06/26/2013 12:34:26 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: red-dawg
NO! It's HORRIBLE here. There are NO jobs, No women, No water, No air, the people are rude and we ran out of food years ago.

You sly red-dawg, you.

60 posted on 06/26/2013 12:36:10 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: red-dawg

“Go To Texas.
NO! It’s HORRIBLE here. There are NO jobs, No women, No water, No air, the people are rude and we ran out of food years ago.”

But Texas, or New North Mexico, is going to be home to 11 million new immigrants. Then there really will be no jobs, no water, no air, and no food.


61 posted on 06/26/2013 12:36:59 PM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: golux; All

Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag!

It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation!

For example:

While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to “get a bill passed this year,” nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA.

llegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages.

1.) End the Anchor Baby Law.

2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA).

3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens.

4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien.

5.) Spend NO money on “securing the border.” It is a bottomless money pit.

6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once.

7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and US Coast Guard.

8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever.

9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement.

Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!


62 posted on 06/26/2013 12:40:02 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: golux

Five years ago I might have attacked you, not today.


63 posted on 06/26/2013 12:40:11 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: golux
I cried while reading this. It's apparent that we are headed for civil war and most of us who understand what is lost are too old to fight it. The only thing that may bring us back is the monetary implosion that is inevitable. When people have to put there minds to survival, they will pay attention and will want retribution for the stupidity and criminal behavior that brought a once great country to her knees.
64 posted on 06/26/2013 12:40:37 PM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: golux
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65 posted on 06/26/2013 12:41:57 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Proud2BeRight

It seems like a natural place to be if you really hate America and don’t want to BE American!


66 posted on 06/26/2013 12:43:30 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

LOL


67 posted on 06/26/2013 12:43:45 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: red-dawg

Yep. And worst of all, we also ran out of beer.


68 posted on 06/26/2013 12:45:20 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: 1rudeboy

I’m not going anywhere. I may be middle aged and crippled but I’m man enough to stand and fight for what I believe in.


69 posted on 06/26/2013 12:45:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: golux

I’m not trying to pimp my podcast, but I interviewed Fernando Aguirre (FerFAL) yesterday and he has some really good insights into relocation. Uruguay is the only South American country he would recommend. Others have moved to Costa Rica, and there is quite a large American contingent there. Ultimately, he believes America is the best choice and suggests moving to the state(s) that are most freedom minded.

Also, buy the book Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen for some very good information and suggestions.

I do understand how the Pilgrims felt when they first moved to Holland and realized the culture there was corrupting their kids. I feel exactly the same way and would love to find my own Mayflower.

Link to my interview with Fernando: http://radio.thesurvivalmom.com/survival-mom-radio-hour-fernando-aguirre-ferfal/


70 posted on 06/26/2013 12:45:45 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: golux

What difference does it make? All of them will have their own set of problems, none will be “good enough.” Just roll the dice ... close your eyes and stick a pin in a map.


71 posted on 06/26/2013 12:46:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world understands that Putin means it and Obama doesn't." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: SpinnerWebb

I vote for all liberals and whiney bitches to move to California.


72 posted on 06/26/2013 12:47:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: golux

I’ll stick it out here. When I retire it will be way up in northern New England. Already have a place built in a small, beautiful village.....but, I get what you are saying. I have a grandparent that was born in Ireland. So yup, I went & got my Irish passport, not so much for me unless things go crazy, but for my kids if they need to get out of here since they will also become Irish citizens through me.


73 posted on 06/26/2013 12:47:47 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: SMARTY

How utterly dispiriting. [and true]


74 posted on 06/26/2013 12:47:52 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: dfwgator

I speak and read it without any trouble.
Not everyone has the capacity for learning languages though... it is my sixth, so after the first four, they all come a lot easier.


75 posted on 06/26/2013 12:48:34 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: RoosterRedux
Go to Texas!;-)

Texas will be blue in 10 years and part of Mexico in 20

76 posted on 06/26/2013 12:49:00 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: central_va; golux
All conservatives meet in Texas. Make the lives there so unfortified that they leave. They are mostly in Austin so move there.

Yep, come on down to Austin where conservatives thrive. The more, the merrier....and pay no attention to those few libs around here. They'll be moving on to New Mexico shortly.

77 posted on 06/26/2013 12:49:07 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: dainbramaged
M'FRiend --

I live in Panama, and have visited Belize several times within the past year. English is the **official** language, but the real language is Kriol, an unusual admixture of French, assorted native tongues, and English. Easy to learn pidgin Kriol -- BRUTAL to speak it fluently (i.e. talk easily with most Belizeans).

Perhaps 20% (and that's a guess) of Belizeans speak English comprehendibly.

Secondly, Belize -- while trying like mad to attract expatriates to its shores -- shot itself in the foot very badly with the highly fraudulent "economic citizenship" programme that blew up in 2008. The story goes that there were more fraudulent "Belizean" passports in circulation than official ones. I've no dog in this fight, and thus no opinion...but I do have two friends who were burned by the abuse of this scheme to the tune of several thousands of dollars. Es lo que es, eh?

Belize appears to be going down the road of that old Star Trek episode, "The Cloud Dwellers". There is VERY distinctly an economic dichotomy in society. The poor (and that would be somewhere above 70% of the population) live not quite hand-to-mouth, but not far away. The wealthy are in two groups: the traditional oligarchy (every Latin nation has one) and the newly-minted expatriados class, living in sealed communities like Ambergris Cay and Orchid Bay. A **VERY** unhealthy long-term development.

Belize, despite the official pronouncements, spends almost exactly NOTHING on its own infrastructure, roads, sewers, pest control OTHER THAN what it can get (for which word, read: extort) from foreign developers. Belize City, particuarly, is -- unfortunately -- a dump with a fairly serious crime problem to boot.

I'm not posting this to piss on Belize; the nation is beautiful and the people are very friendly. Rather, I'm posting this to combat some of the rainbows-and-unicorns propaganda about Belize that one sees these days, both from the goobermint and from private sites such as International Living.

Simply inform yourself as fully as possible about Belize before even CONSIDERING a move there, or even an extended stay. That's all I ask, ok?

FReegards!

78 posted on 06/26/2013 12:49:34 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I’m going down with the ship. There’s plenty of space in this country where I can lose myself if I have to . . . .


79 posted on 06/26/2013 12:50:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: golux; All

As you start narrowing down your choice, I think you’ll be unpleasantly surprised to learn that most countries don’t WANT us! Australia is one country that has an age limit. Sure, you can go to these countries for fairly short periods of time but then you have to leave, and I wouldn’t bet on their policies toward illegals as being as insane as ours.

Visit Simon Black’s website, www.sovereignman.com for a very good education into what options are out there.


80 posted on 06/26/2013 12:50:15 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: Bon mots

I really wish I had learned it as a kid. I think my grandfather could speak it a little.


81 posted on 06/26/2013 12:50:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: golux; a fool in paradise
Paraguay, if you like German cooking. And Freddy.


82 posted on 06/26/2013 12:50:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: golux

California. It’s no longer part of the United States.


83 posted on 06/26/2013 12:50:54 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Bon mots

Actually most of the Polish I pick up comes from listening to Polish music. I have an Internet station I listen to.


84 posted on 06/26/2013 12:51:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Da Coyote
I don't know about CW II, but when you steal everything the hard working taxpayers have and squander it for nothing... then you just reduced fully half of the citizenry to a mob with NOTHING at stake any longer.

It is a blueprint for wholesale poverty and social discord... we won't even talk about the gratuitous class warfare that this ‘President’ has encouraged.

85 posted on 06/26/2013 12:51:31 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: varmintman

LOL. The leader in abortion rates in hardly a Christian nation. You have fallen for Putin’s lies.


86 posted on 06/26/2013 12:52:30 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: golux
Don’t come to Canada, where free speech is in peril. Not to mention the action the RCMP is taking against legal gun owners.

Possibly Switzerland?

87 posted on 06/26/2013 12:53:22 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: ScottinVA

A friend of mine checked out Belize, planning on moving there. While there he visited a church and met a number of its members. A young girl who attended the church with her dad was kidnapped and a few days later found dead. The local police barely seemed interested in investigating, and my friend decided Belize wasn’t for them.

Now, far more egregious crimes happen in America daily and there are plenty of corrupt LE departments and agencies, so who’s to say Belize LE is worse than ours?

At any rate, my friend gave up on the idea of Belize and now lives in Costa Rica.


88 posted on 06/26/2013 12:53:32 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: qam1
Texas will be blue in 10 years and part of Mexico in 20

Yeah, but we'll be the good part.
89 posted on 06/26/2013 12:54:10 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: golux

One more thing. No matter where you live on this planet, the IRS has the legal right to claim its share of any money that you make. America is one of the few countries of the world that views its citizens as permanent property.


90 posted on 06/26/2013 12:54:39 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: golux

Russia is dead set against homo rights. Christianity is experiencing a monumental resurgence. Their borders are secure. They do not tolerate mudslime terrorists and call them what they are. They are pretty much energy independent and don’t follow the cult of gorebull warming. They mine minerals and use them to create wealth and opportunity.

Oh, but their government is tyrannical. Ours isn’t?

Life in the owebamanation has become completely upside down and backwards. All I see is dark times coming.

Maybe Ed Snowden has a good idea. I thinks its time to start learning the Russian language and get a visa.


91 posted on 06/26/2013 12:56:47 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: SAJ

Thanks for the lowdown - I saw some pretty expensive Belize real estate online, and some reasonably priced. We have considered other Central and South American countries as well, my Spanish is pretty good and we are retired. No Mexico, though.


92 posted on 06/26/2013 12:57:43 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I used to get irritated with the moderates who said Reagan wouldn’t recognize the conservatism of today.

Today I agree with them for the opposite reasons. Reagan was an optimist, a builder, and a fighter. Today’s “conservatives” seem to have nothing but despair, anger, and a desire to destroy. I doubt God will treat them any differently than the liberals.


93 posted on 06/26/2013 12:58:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: puppypusher

I’m no expert by any means, but isn’t Australia actually worse with climate/censorship/gun rights/taxes?


94 posted on 06/26/2013 12:58:53 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: golux

If it were only a language thing, Canada or Australia would not present much of a problem. There are a few inconsistencies in the doctrine of self defense (i.e., no equivalent guarantee comparable to the Second Amendment), and there have been some more paralyzing applications of restrictions of speech, association, and to some extent, assembly. There is also the troubling fact that increasingly, their policy in regards to Islamic immigration borders on surrender to an invasion.

The concept of a nation of laws, united behind shared beliefs, and inspiring individual initiative, while recognizing achievement, seems to be fading in the consciousness of a growing number of the human population on this planet. It would not be difficult to envision a dystopia, or a plethora of dystopias, being the future of the world.

The American Experiment was great while it lasted. But extinction looms, and nothing much seems to be there to take up the flame.

My proposal (which seems to have little chance of being put into action) is for the portions of the territory once known as “the United States of America” that were designated as “red” districts on the most recent electoral maps, split off from the “blue” districts. The “red” district has the advantage of being almost contiguous across the territory, while the “blue” districts are badly fragmented. The “blue” districts would be allowed to set up whatever kind of cockamamie set of rules they want to live under, while the “red” district would return to application of the founding documents, the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, with certain of the Amendments deleted (16th, 17th, 18th and 21st).

Then a very firm immigration policy to the “red” district would be set up, and citizenship would have to be reaffirmed upon reaching the age of majority, before being allowed to exercise the franchise of voting.


95 posted on 06/26/2013 12:59:29 PM PDT by alloysteel (Unattended children will be given a Red Bull and a free Kazoo. Reminds me of Congress...)
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To: golux

We could invade Mexico. haha


96 posted on 06/26/2013 1:00:37 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: golux

Nowhere. This is our story and we’re stuck with it.


97 posted on 06/26/2013 1:00:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: golux

I agree with you that we are mortally ill, but I don’t think there is another nation on this planet to which we can escape. I prefer to do what Bill Whittle suggests: retreat to the countryside, connect with like-minded people, lead a more simple life, and preserve a knowledge of what was great about America. We can create an entire subculture of conservatives.

The monks of the Middle Ages laboriously wrote to each other, preserving classical scholarship and discussing their faith. Others preserved or advanced art and literature. They kept the knowledge of civilization alive so that when mankind was ready once again to be reborn, the structure was there; no one had to re-invent the wheel of civilization.

We must do the same. Even if America falls into a new Dark Age, we must pass on our knowledge to those who come after us. There were universities and artists and writers and travelers during the Dark Ages, and life went on. We can do the same. Someday another Renaissance may come, unless the Lord returns before then. Let us be ready in either case.


98 posted on 06/26/2013 1:01:58 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: onedoug

Exactly, its ours and we’re the ones who have to fix it.


99 posted on 06/26/2013 1:02:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

I’m no expert by any means, but isn’t Australia actually worse with climate/censorship/gun rights/taxes?

It may be worse with firearms controls,But I don’t think I’ve seen any leaders there trying to turn their country into a third world cesspool either.
Unlike Resident obama.


100 posted on 06/26/2013 1:03:12 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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