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The Old West: When Men Were Men and Women Knew Their Place
The Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, June 26, 2013 | Paul Mountjoy

Posted on 06/26/2013 7:25:55 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Old West Gunfighters

The Old West: When men were men and women knew their place

How many times have we heard men declare of the days of the old West, ‘men were men and women stayed at home and knew their place’? This is a common refrain after folks watch a movie based on the period.

A peek behind the myths reveals difficult and trying lifestyle most modern men would never concede to and when a seeming minor health issue that would be easily cured today would take lives by the thousands.

The ‘cool’ concept of a man that stands tall for all that is good and right drawing a gun at sundown against a man of wrong and all things bad may appeal to modern guys who puff their chest full of air and momentarily feel courageous with the thought of yesteryear opportunity. The fact is, gun drawing is a myth and rarely happened. When it did, it was usually a couple of drunks full of liquid courage. The events at the O.K Corral were rare and more a slaughter than we would like to believe.

The term ‘cowboy’ does not apply to all men of the era. Cowboys were and are the guys who herded cows across the country under the worst of circumstances. The sign-on’s had to pay for their supplies and made little money. The whole ‘sleeping under the stars’ bit included torrential rains, snow, freezing temperatures, insects and vermin. The hours were incredibly long and the free chow was barely palatable. In other times of the year, the dust from the plains came in clouds and bathing was at best, sporadic.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: 1800s; americanfrontier; americansettlers; cowboy; hardlife; modernhistory; oldwest; oped
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1876:  Grave - "Eaten by mountain rats", Colorado Graveside in Colorado ... "Eaten By Mountain Rats In The Year 1876"
1 posted on 06/26/2013 7:25:55 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 06/26/2013 7:27:16 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

who duh gunfighters?


3 posted on 06/26/2013 7:28:31 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: DogByte6RER

Man, I gotta tellya - “eaten by mountain rats” is NOT what I’d want on my gravestone.


4 posted on 06/26/2013 7:29:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: morphing libertarian

San Francisco gunfighters.


5 posted on 06/26/2013 7:31:41 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

LOL

But for some reason I’d bet they’re the real deal. Looks like Hitchcock left of center


6 posted on 06/26/2013 7:33:50 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

I thought he looked a bit like Hickok as well, but maybe it is just the hat.


7 posted on 06/26/2013 7:37:12 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: morphing libertarian

Uh-huh, and the dude next to him has a rifle with the business end pointed at his own crotch!


8 posted on 06/26/2013 7:38:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Here’s a good photo of Wild Bill.
http://troytaylorbooks.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-murder-of-wild-bill-hickok.html


9 posted on 06/26/2013 7:38:38 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: DogByte6RER
How many times have we heard men declare of the days of the old West, ‘men were men and women stayed at home and knew their place’?

The second part I only hear from idiotic libtards who use it as a strawman (and on rare occasion in jest by others).

10 posted on 06/26/2013 7:39:01 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Billthedrill
> Man, I gotta tellya - “eaten by mountain rats” is NOT what I’d want on my gravestone.

Seems that there weren't many good ways to go out, back then. But yeah, those mountain rats were (hell, probably still are) one of the worst. Tonight I sleep with one eye open.

11 posted on 06/26/2013 7:39:58 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Kirkwood
Left to right: Elisha Green, Wild Bill Hickok, Buffalo Bill Cody, Texas Jack Omohundro, and Eugene Overton.

The real deal, all right.

12 posted on 06/26/2013 7:41:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DogByte6RER

My Great Grandfather was asked once if he knew Calamity Jane.

“I never slept with her, if that is what you mean.” At that time C.G. Meaker was a grocer, and Wild Bill would stop by his old friend “Charlie” to get provisions for his Wild West Show.

CG didn’t like cats. He would shoot them off his back fence with an old .45 Colt pistol.


13 posted on 06/26/2013 7:41:41 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Billthedrill

...but I’m thinking that credit of Elisha Green might be in error...


14 posted on 06/26/2013 7:42:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Kirkwood

thanx second from left


15 posted on 06/26/2013 7:43:11 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Billthedrill

Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar


16 posted on 06/26/2013 7:44:10 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: DogByte6RER

I never heard that phrase and I watched all the old western TV shows and films when growing up in the 50’s and 60’s. Women were treated with respect in those old shows. It was made clear that life was hard and everybody worked together on the frontier, both men and women, because they had to in order to survive.


17 posted on 06/26/2013 7:44:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks! So this was likely taken when Hickok was touring with Cody’s show.


18 posted on 06/26/2013 7:44:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: DogByte6RER

Code of the West
by James P. Owen

1.Live each day with courage
2.Take pride in your work
3.Always finish what you start
4.Do what has to be done
5.Be tough, but fair
6.When you make a promise, keep it
7.Ride for the brand
8.Talk less and say more
9.Remember that some things aren’t for sale
10.Know where to draw the line

One thing the online digital age has brought is the frequency and the easy for one man to call another a lair. It wasn’t so then and a man chose his words more carefully as he may be call to back them up.


19 posted on 06/26/2013 7:44:52 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kirkwood

I am familiar with the circumstances of Mr. Hitchcock’s death. But, as I told the Marshal, I was with my wife at prayer services that night.


20 posted on 06/26/2013 7:45:26 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Billthedrill

Hickok was in a gunfight with two men, each approaching him at two corners of an equilateral triangle with him at the third. He fired two revolvers simultaneously, and took them both down at once.


21 posted on 06/26/2013 7:45:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
He fired two revolvers simultaneously, and took them both down at once.

He must have killed more men than Cecil B. Demille.

22 posted on 06/26/2013 7:46:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER

Oh, I’d guess there was plenty of killin’ back in the day. A book I read long ago detailed much of the kind of killing that went on. Contrary to film westerns, much of the killing was with knives and clubs and such. Lead and powder were scarce and expensive. But, make no doubt, there was killing. Imagine a world that truly was free - no fences or land ownership to a large degree. On top of that, the frontier was a magnet to the bold, the hopeful and the outcasts - many of whom were on the run and only lived to ply their trade in a land of little consequence. Come to think of it, it sounds a little like modern America and foreign born criminals coming to do crime Americans are too lazy to do and for which they will not be penalized.


23 posted on 06/26/2013 7:46:53 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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To: DogByte6RER

and nowadays, men are men and women are men too


24 posted on 06/26/2013 7:47:20 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SatinDoll

eead further real deal


25 posted on 06/26/2013 7:47:51 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: SatinDoll

sd looks like three of them may be going crotchless


26 posted on 06/26/2013 7:48:46 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: donmeaker

Yeah, I’m trying to figure just how good you’d have to be to do that. Damn.


27 posted on 06/26/2013 7:50:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dfwgator

His moniker was “Prince of Pistoleers” In another gunfight, he and his opponent started toward each other from opposite ends of town. The other man fired first. Hickok waited, and fired from 72 feet, and his .36 caliber ball pierced his opponent’s heart.


28 posted on 06/26/2013 7:50:25 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SatinDoll

If you’re talking about the guy on the far left, I think that’s a long rifle and the muzzle is sticking out behind his elbow.


29 posted on 06/26/2013 7:51:42 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: piytar

My recollection is a young Annie Oakley worked in the Wild West Show, as well as reputed (former) prostitutes like Calamity Jane.


30 posted on 06/26/2013 7:53:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Billthedrill

Modern day variant: Eaten by Democrats..


31 posted on 06/26/2013 7:54:03 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: DogByte6RER

O’Keefe claimed he buried all that was left of Erin (her skull) under a pile of rocks with a marker and this inscription, “Erin O’Keefe, daughter of John and Nora O’Keefe, who was eaten by mountain rats in the year 1876.” The grave became a popular tourist attraction, and O’Keefe charged 50 cents for tourists to have their picture taken at the site. O’Keefe was eventually revealed as a fraud. He didn’t have a wife or daughter, and probably buried his dead burro under the rocks.

http://www.newfalconherald.com/DisplayArticle.php?ArticleID=7248


32 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:25 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: sauropod

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33 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:10 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: DogByte6RER

In Europe, [Annie Oakley] performed for Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom, King Umberto I of Italy, Marie François Sadi Carnot (the President of France) and other crowned heads of state. Oakley had such good aim that, at his request, she knocked the ashes off a cigarette held by the newly crowned German Kaiser Wilhelm II.

The Annie Oakley Foundation suggests that she was not the source of a widely repeated quip related to the event: “Some uncharitable people later ventured that if Annie had shot Wilhelm and not his cigarette, she could have prevented World War I.” After the outbreak of World War I, however, Oakley did send a letter to the Kaiser, requesting a second shot. The Kaiser did not respond.


34 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:34 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Kartographer

Can’t improve on that.


35 posted on 06/26/2013 8:02:56 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: piytar

Bingo!

“I would like to see every woman know how to handle [firearms] as naturally as they know how to handle babies.” - Annie Oakley


36 posted on 06/26/2013 8:07:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: donmeaker

Ha! Great story.


37 posted on 06/26/2013 8:07:56 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: DogByte6RER

I once lived in Dodge City. There were plenty of old photos of cattle drives which ended in Dodge and of cowboys on the range and also in town.

Now I recently saw the beginning of a movie by some Black guy where it had writing on the screen at the beginning, saying that over one third of all cowboys were Black. Well I know there were some Black cowboys but in all those pictures I never saw the first one. Certainly not over a third of them.

That “over a third” figure is clearly a modern PC made up claim and most people will believe it.


38 posted on 06/26/2013 8:12:14 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: donmeaker

Annie Oakley fan here. The real history is so much better than the silly stage play. She and Frank Butler, the guy she beat in that shoot-off at which they really did fall in love - she was 15 at the time - were married for 50 years. For their entire time together she accused him of deliberately missing his last shot, and for their entire time together he stoutly denied it. When at last she died, he just stopped eating and died himself 18 days later.


39 posted on 06/26/2013 8:15:07 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: WorkingClassFilth
As the article implies, the Western frontier was less violent than a number of present day cities. In most bars for example, guns were forbidden. The Long Branch Saloon and it's daily shootouts was a Hollywood myth.

Many of the "desperadoes" and cowboys of the west were Civil War veterans with PTSD who couldn't get along in civilized society, so they headed for the wide open spaces. Johnny Yuma "The Rebel" was closer to the historical truth than Marshall Dillon, even though he probably never shot anybody.

As for women, they were scarce on the prairie frontier but where they were found they were treated respectfully.

40 posted on 06/26/2013 8:24:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Yes. The violence of the West has always been distorted by movies and the media. Sure, there was danger. But, it mostly came from the climate, bad water, etc.

Though, I still think of the Apache and other tribes. Some say some Apache were still running around doing what Apache do in the mid 30's in Mexico. Pretty amazing.

41 posted on 06/26/2013 8:37:42 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: DogByte6RER

Calamity Jane comes to mind.....women in the west knew their place all right....it was hunting and shooting and fishing and farming and doing what it took to keep family going....


42 posted on 06/26/2013 8:40:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DogByte6RER
How many times have we heard men declare of the days of the old West, ‘men were men and women stayed at home and knew their place’?

Including this article, once.

43 posted on 06/26/2013 8:43:19 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I think the gunfight next to the OK Corral probably became legendary because Earp lived long enough to try to get a movie made about his life.

He left AZ because he knew it would be best for him if he did. When a LEO is paid for each arrest you just have to know there were some trumped up charges and lots of enemies made.


44 posted on 06/26/2013 8:45:01 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: eclecticEel

Exactly. The first place that women had the vote was Wyoming, well before it became a political enthusiasm back East. The reason was simple: they earned it.


45 posted on 06/26/2013 8:46:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Theoria

***Some say some Apache were still running around doing what Apache do in the mid 30’s in Mexico.***

Earl Stanley Gardner, who invented Perry Mason, loved to roam the deserts of the US and Mexico.

In one of his books, he said the last Apache raid took place in Mexico back in 1939. Yes, 1939. The Apaches were tracked down and killed out by Vaqueros after the Apaches raided a ranchero.


46 posted on 06/26/2013 9:14:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ciexyz

The 1951 movie Westward the Women is an interesting portrayal of the strength and determination some women had to make a new life in the West.


47 posted on 06/26/2013 9:22:25 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: DogByte6RER
How many times have we heard men declare of the days of the old West, ‘men were men and women stayed at home and knew their place’?

Uh...never?

In fact the stories out of my family made it plain that no one messed with granny. She might have looked sweet but you threaten her family and you might as well just dig a hole pull it in after you.

48 posted on 06/26/2013 9:30:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Kirkwood

Thanks..


49 posted on 06/26/2013 9:45:08 PM PDT by united1000 (You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich- Abraham Lincpoln)
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To: DogByte6RER
Best epitaph ever...


50 posted on 06/26/2013 10:09:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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