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Victim in I-4 shooting in Tampa ID'd as Orlando man
BayNews 9 ^ | Sunday, June 30, 2013, 7:30 AM | Staff

Posted on 06/30/2013 5:40:16 AM PDT by rarestia

The motorist killed in a shooting that closed eastbound Interstate 4 in Tampa for nearly eight hours Saturday has been identified as a 47-year-old Orlando man.

Fred William Turner Jr. was fatally shot while he was on a cell phone telling a 911 dispatcher someone with a gun was pursuing him, authorities said.

The shooting happened around 3 p.m. and prompted authorities to close I-4 at I-75 while they examined the scene and searched for clues. The closure eventually stretched west to U.S. 301 and didn't end until nearly 11 p.m.

Turner, who was driving a newer model Ford Mustang, told the dispatcher he was being followed by a man with a gun in the area of North 50th Street and East Columbus Drive. The pursuer drove a gray Ford Taurus with tinted windows, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said.

Turner told the dispatcher that before the man had started following him, he had pulled up next to him, rolled down a window and brandished a semi-automatic handgun. He didn't know the man or why he started following him.

Turner stayed on the phone with the dispatcher while he drove onto I-4 and headed east toward Orlando. As he approached the I-75 overpass, shots rang out and Turner was hit, authorities said.

Turner pulled his car over and died at the scene, deputies said.

Three law enforcement agencies - the sheriff's office, Tampa police and the Florida Highway Patrol - participated in the investigation Saturday. Authorities are asking that anyone who has relevant information call Crime Stoppers of Tampa Bay at 1-800-873-8377.


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KEYWORDS: florida; i4; interstate; orlando; shooting; tampa
Normally this would fall under "everyday criminal behavior," but I've spoken with a member of Tampa PD who used this event as an example to illustrate that even though Florida is a "Stand Your Ground" state, the thugs will still behave like thugs. They are not as intelligent as we give them credit.

This will come out as being a black-on-white crime, the media will stop covering it, but it should send a chill down everyone's spine that evil people will continue in their evil regardless of the force of good.

1 posted on 06/30/2013 5:40:16 AM PDT by rarestia
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To: rarestia

I live in Tampa heard about this but really didn’t follow it..Thanks for posting


2 posted on 06/30/2013 5:44:20 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Joe Brower; MinuteGal; SoFloFreeper; left that other site; Joe Boucher; SeminoleCounty; ...

Harbinger of things to come.

The eyes of the nation are on Sanford.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 5:44:55 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Popman

The Bride and I were out in that. We were in a warehouse shopping place when the shooting went down.

We got back under cover before the traffic snarled.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 5:46:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Old Sarge
North 50th Street and East Columbus Drive.

I actually work literally a hundred yards away for that intersection...

Seems like a hotbed of criminal activity occurs around that area...even though it's not residential...

Two police officers was shot and killed near there a few years ago...

5 posted on 06/30/2013 5:53:07 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: rarestia

I take your point but for the record I never gave them credit for intelligence.

Death is a serious business but an eight hour closure of one of the busiest Interstates in the nation is ludicrous. I call it the CSI effect where common sense yields to all the police busybodies fancying themselves Dr Gil Grissom with unique insight that will solve the crime.

Even more ludicrous is a multiple-hour closure for garden variety accidents.

For me, it’s another illustration that ‘public servants’ are oblivious to the private sector commerce that ultimately pays their salaries.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 6:01:51 AM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: Old Sarge

Thankful you are both okay and have good instincts.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 6:02:58 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: rarestia

I’m curious as to what happened before the Taurus pulled up beside the Mustang and flashed the weapon. Had there been any driver interaction before that? Some sort of aggressive driving by one or both of the drivers?


8 posted on 06/30/2013 6:09:28 AM PDT by moovova
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To: relictele

Even more ludicrous is a multiple-hour closure for garden variety accidents.

For me, it’s another illustration that ‘public servants’ are oblivious to the private sector commerce that ultimately pays their salaries.


Maybe so, maybe no.

Pistol spitting out brass over maybe several hundred yards...

I expect that the cops wanted every single piece of brass.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 6:12:39 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Popman

According to local contacts, that is a BAD place to be at any time day or night.

Seminole Heights and College Hill have burned in the past from copycat riots. I have absolutely no doubt that they will burn again, when “The Verdict” is announced.


10 posted on 06/30/2013 6:13:05 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Old Sarge

It’s the riot before the post-Zimmerman verdict riot.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 6:14:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: rarestia

“He didn’t know the man or why he started following him.”

Duh....slavery.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 6:16:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: moovova

50th Street and Columbus is sort of on the outskirts of some unsavory parts of Tampa. I used to work out there in the industrial parks, but I made swift ingress and egress, never put my windows down, and I would never go there after dark.

I’m guessing the driver was either taking surface streets to get to the interstate (there’s a ramp to I4 right at 50th and Columbus) or had gotten off to get gas. This is not an area known for heavy drug activity due to its proximity to the interstate, but there are a lot of vagrants in the area.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 6:23:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Fair enough. Considering every black glove hotdog on the force showed up with lights twinkling how long should it take them all?


14 posted on 06/30/2013 6:23:59 AM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: Popman

I was raised in Tampa and that has always been a bad area, even when was county.


15 posted on 06/30/2013 6:28:19 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Old Sarge

Seminole Heights is about 5 miles northwest from 50th and Columbus. College Hill is about 3 miles to the west.

I do not, however, disagree with your assessment on the area. This part of Tampa is rife with gangbangers and vagrants.

Officers Jeffrey Kocab and David Curtis were killed less than a mile north of 50th and Columbus on 29 June 2010.


16 posted on 06/30/2013 6:28:42 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: moovova

In any situation, the first one to call 9-1-1 is the victim.


17 posted on 06/30/2013 6:29:22 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: rarestia

To all you folks familiar with the area thanks for your information.


18 posted on 06/30/2013 6:41:12 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: rarestia

Thanks for the geography lesson... I can almost picture it on my mind. It’s scary to think someone from out of town could take an exit... and become a target just because they were unfamiliar with the area.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 7:03:23 AM PDT by moovova
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To: rarestia

Maybe there wasn’t time, but I wonder why the dispatcher didn’t help direct the man to a location where a police cruiser might be in a good position to intercept.


20 posted on 06/30/2013 7:29:06 AM PDT by omni-scientist
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To: rarestia

“...The pursuer drove a gray Ford Taurus with tinted windows, the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office said....”
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Hopefully the cops aren’t ruling out the possibility that the shooting was done by an off-duty, but armed, law enforcement officer who somehow felt that the victim “dissed” him as happened in Maryland recently. Any officers driving a gray Ford Taurus with tinted windows down there?


21 posted on 06/30/2013 7:36:28 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Old Sarge

Not a racist thing, just common sense, but when I’m driving in an unfamiliar city, I look for the street named MLK Blvd. as an area I should avoid.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 7:37:33 AM PDT by omni-scientist
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To: omni-scientist

23 posted on 06/30/2013 7:39:40 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: House Atreides
Any officers driving a gray Ford Taurus with tinted windows down there?

Not so much. The newer vehicles are generally Chevy Impalas. The squad/interceptor vehicles are still Crown Vics.

This part of town is replete with old beaters. The biggest "tell" that you're in the ghetto is that all of the cars are circa 1995 with 22" rims and tinted windows.

24 posted on 06/30/2013 7:46:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: omni-scientist

In the picture, they’re coming up on the 301 overpass. Once you’re past this point, it’s pretty much nothing but swamp and farmland for 25-30 miles until you hit Lakeland. He could’ve taken the exit to 301 by the Florida State Fairgrounds, but even there, he wouldn’t have been safe. The speed limit in that area is 65, so he was likely driving at a decent clip if not faster given the circumstances.

Being pursued, shot at, and trying to communicate with a 911 dispatcher, the brain is likely to be so frazzled that getting off the interstate didn’t even present as a valid option.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 7:49:23 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: omni-scientist

MLK is just a few blocks over from Columbus, so you would be wise to avoid the area anyway.


26 posted on 06/30/2013 7:49:56 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: moovova
It’s scary to think someone from out of town could take an exit... and become a target just because they were unfamiliar with the area.

The I4 corridor between Tampa and Orlando has grown very fast but is dotted with podunk towns that used to be "off the beaten path." Now they're overrun by thugs and criminals due to proximity to a major travel artery.

Take Seffner for example. Seffner used to be sleepy farming community dotted with lakes. When the I4 corridor expansion started in the late 90s, people started buying up tracts of land and building houses. There are parts of Seffner that are still rural, but it's become a bedroom community complete with marijuana grow houses and meth labs. The crime in Seffner has gotten so bad that many of the farmers boarded up their family homes and moved away. I can't say I blame them.

Lakeland's also turned into a bit of cesspool. It was once considered a quiet mid-point stop for a trip from Tampa to Orlando, but now it's one of those areas where you make one wrong turn and you're likely to be shot. It's sad how much transportation hubs, once considered a life-giving artery for an old rural town, are turning towns into ghettos with rival gangs fighting for turf and residents cowering in their homes.

27 posted on 06/30/2013 7:55:56 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: omni-scientist
"Not a racist thing, just common sense, but when I’m driving in an unfamiliar city, I look for the street named MLK Blvd. as an area I should avoid."

That's one of the "warning signs" when one of the main streets changes -- I've often wondered if this was done by local governments deliberately.

28 posted on 06/30/2013 8:13:35 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rarestia

Right, it’s just too bad he didn’t know the area - there is a police station just N on the Orient Rd exit. And the Orient Rd jail is to the south about a mile. There are always some sheriff presence there.


29 posted on 06/30/2013 8:16:04 AM PDT by omni-scientist
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To: omni-scientist

To be honest, he’d probably have been safer at the Hard Rock right there, but given where he was on the interstate, getting to the Hard Rock from eastbound I4 near 301 would’ve been difficult if not impossible while being pursued.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 8:19:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: relictele

And damn near every one of them drawing OT! Looks like the rush when Fresh Hot Donuts are ready.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 8:45:28 AM PDT by X-spurt (I'm copywriting creepy ass cracker, send royalties to BR549)
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To: rarestia
TBO.com reports the perp began following Turner after he left a store.

More local coverage:

Tampa Bay Times
WTSP (CBS affiliate)
WFLA (NBC affiliate)
WFTS ABC Action News
WTVT My FOX Tampa Bay
Orlando Sentinel

32 posted on 06/30/2013 9:03:34 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: old curmudgeon

“I expect that the cops wanted every single piece of brass.”

Thanks to the present CommiesR’Us Regime, usable brass is hard to find. If it were once fired 10mm brass, closure might be justifiable - if and only if the brass is sent to me for careful testing.


33 posted on 06/30/2013 9:17:12 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: NautiNurse

From your linked TBO.com article:

“...Turner died at the roadside crime scene. He is from another county, Carter said, and deputies will release his name after his relatives are notified of his death.”
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Nice clear writing. The article says they will release the deceased’s name after they notify his relatives; meanwhile the article lists the deceased’s full name. Judging by the accuracy I suspect the writer was taking a bit of time off from writing about the Zimmerman case.


34 posted on 06/30/2013 9:35:09 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: rarestia
I've started carrying a different type of Taurus in my car - The Judge - mainly for the one-in-a-million-parking-lot carjack situation, but THIS video points out, quite visually at 1:41 why this guy could have used one, albeit from the driver's side.

It nestles quite comfortably on my rights side, near the center console. I believe this ammo:

ideal for either situation as it is less of a long range threat to bystanders.

35 posted on 06/30/2013 10:04:08 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: House Atreides

LOL. Nice catch. This is what happens when spell check is the sole edit function.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 10:07:51 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: rarestia

I’d think it would times like this I’d say to hell with the auto insurance and floor it/slam the brakes.

If there is a CHANCE I would be in fear for my life, I’d at least make it that much easier to find the other car, if I could not disable it in the process.

Plus, the ramming would throw off the shooters aim :)


37 posted on 06/30/2013 10:28:42 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: i_robot73

Meekly rolling down the road while someone quite obviously is intending to kill you is not going to end well no matter what. A dashcam would be a godsend in court, but I’d ram them too, if I had no other option.


38 posted on 06/30/2013 10:42:25 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: X-spurt

It reminds me of DUI checkpoints under the ‘Governor’s Highway Safety Program’....except the governor has **** all to do with it. Uncle Sam pays the police overtime and all funds are strictly for DUI...all other crime is off limits. In the end, it’s more cash funneled to a union with a veneer of do-gooderism.


39 posted on 06/30/2013 3:13:17 PM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: i_robot73

We as a society have been programmed to wait too long to save ourselves. We’re programmed that the police will help us. This man’s final moments were likely spent fleeing and not trying to elude or overtake.

I’d like to think I’d have the presence of mind to take aggressive maneuvers, but in this litigious society, it’s possible that I’d be sued by some business idiot who wound up being late to a meeting in Orlando because I clipped his car while trying to flee for my life.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 5:37:30 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Meekly rolling down the road while someone quite obviously is intending to kill you is not going to end well no matter what.”

Agreed...criminals are extremely skilled at lying compared to law-abiding people, and will cast themselves as victims, and you as the aggressor!


41 posted on 06/30/2013 8:07:26 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: rarestia
This will come out as being a black-on-white crime

Setting the record straight: Your prediction was flatly incorrect, and it isn't clear what you hoped to accomplish by your unsubstantiated assertion.

42 posted on 07/02/2013 3:05:13 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: NautiNurse

Are you from the area, ma’am? Do you know ANYTHING about this part of Florida? Are you aware that this part of east Tampa is over 80% black? Are you aware that this part of Tampa is less than 2 miles from the Ybor City district, known as “Little Havana” by many in the area?

I made a judgement call based on what I know of the area having lived here for over 30 years. White people make it a point to avoid this area. The fact that the perp is a white guy indicates that he falls well outside of statistical probability for a criminal in this area.

I wasn’t hoping to accomplish anything. You’re implying that I’m trying to stoke some sort of racial flames, and you could not be more misguided in that assumption.


43 posted on 07/02/2013 4:50:41 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
You explicitly introduced your false statement by implying that you had insider information: "I've spoken with a member of Tampa PD who used this event as an example to illustrate..."

Your "judgment call" did not stipulate that you were providing unsubstantiated wishcasting, "This will come out as being a black-on-white crime..."

44 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:03 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: NautiNurse

Umm... I never implied that I had insider information. I said I spoke with a member of TPD who used this event AS AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE that even though Florida is a “Stand Your Ground” state, the thugs will still behave like thugs.

I never anywhere implied that I had insider information. That TPD officer, who happens to be family, would’ve put their career on the line by giving me any information about the crime. Thus, I introduced nothing false, I provided a factual recollection of one responding officer’s OPINION, and that opinion wasn’t even related to race! The officer said THUGS, not blacks. Sheesh.

Wishcasting? Again, if you’re not from the area, you’ve got absolutely ZERO frame of reference.


45 posted on 07/02/2013 7:37:45 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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