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Craigslist: Essay by a Teacher in a Black School
Saint Louis Craigslist (Rants & Raves) ^ | June 28, 2013 | Unknown

Posted on 07/01/2013 3:45:59 AM PDT by MCF

Edited on 07/02/2013 5:15:38 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: wrencher

What Ole Abe wanted to do(had he lived) was to ship ALL of the Freed Slaves back to Africa. Ols Abe wasn’t NEAR the “friend” of slaves as Revisionist Historians have painted him out to be.


101 posted on 07/01/2013 9:27:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: aberaussie
I really hate to take your bait, but I have to ask you a question. If for some reason your child was zoned for a school like this and you could not move into a better district for whatever reason, would you consider homeschooling an option? Just curious....

I intentionally moved out of an urban district so that I would not have to worry about teaching in an environment like this.

Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?

102 posted on 07/01/2013 9:28:39 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: MCF

BUMP FOR LATER


103 posted on 07/01/2013 9:30:22 AM PDT by semaj
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To: Blueflag

That was a great post. Thank you.


104 posted on 07/01/2013 9:37:02 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: grania
What's the answer? Assimilation and job-market expectations.

Assimilation only works where there is a majority white school system and the blacks have to fit into the white norms. How many blacks do you need for them to gang up and start acting the way they do in this essay? Probably not too many.

There is also a moral question: even a small number of blacks in a school who are there to "assimiliate" are there to take (socialization) from whites, and presumably slowing down the rate that whites would learn at if they weren't paying a "tax" in accomodating blacks.

Is it really moral to give some kids a lesser education so that others (the less teachable) get a better one? The black kids are getting extra resources, the whites extra burdens. At some point this becomes manifestly unfair.

105 posted on 07/01/2013 9:37:52 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black
Isn't the black population of the US approximately 15%? Clssrooms can contain that many black students with no decline in standards. The problem happens when educators make allowance for bad behavior and poor accomplishment.

I've encountered EXCELLENT all-black classrooms and programs. Again, the problems start emerging when the students aren't held to the strictest standards of behavior and accomplishment, no excuses, no warnings, no second chances.

106 posted on 07/01/2013 9:42:29 AM PDT by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It sounds a lot like prison.”

Zoo-prison-circus was how my son described his high school before I transferred him to an online program.


107 posted on 07/01/2013 9:43:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Our parents: The Greatest Generation. Their kids and grand kids: The Stupidest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It sounds a lot like prison.

Many schools in the Los Angeles area look like prisons.

108 posted on 07/01/2013 9:43:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wrencher; SpinnerWebb
Yep, 25, and they’d been agitating for a good part of it.

The boomers have coasted on the affluence won by the greatest generation, they are presiding over the decline.

Ah, the all inclusive "they" again. Like I said in my first response, moronic, stereotypical tripe (I added "moronic" for your benefit).

If by coasted on the affluence won by the greatest generation you mean got drafted, served my country honorably and after my discharge from the Army came home and got up every morning for over 40 years to go to the same job while my wife and I raised 3 kids .... then, yeah, I coasted.

I don't have any more time to waste on whiney assclowns like you who think that boomers are responsible for all of the shortcomings in their own miserable lives.

Granted, every generation has its share of idiots, mine included. If the best you've got is to bitch and moan about how "we" screwed you ... count yourself in the idiot class of whatever your generation is.

Me ... because my parents taught me the value of perseverance and I took it to heart ... I'll be leaving behind 3 more responsible adults who are doing just fine in the "miserable" world I left to them ... what value have you added?

109 posted on 07/01/2013 10:04:31 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: MCF

thanks for posting this. Years ago a parent on one of my childrens soccer team would tell me stories about how burnt out she was from trying to teach in Washington DC. This woman was black and very middle class... I was still a liberal and couldn’t understand why she was so negative about these children. I definitely judged her, and thought how sad she was pouring all this negativity on these poor forsaken kids... her stories mirrored this one on Craigs list.


110 posted on 07/01/2013 10:20:50 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I spent 20 years with these kids and their parents while working in different prisons. The 15 year old black kid is no different then the 25 year old black man. They don't care about anything but their shoes, music, rims and ho’s. Ignorance, rudeness, laziness and lawlessness are celebrated as virtues. It's a self destructive culture that won't change until it is forced to. Treating them like children doesn't work.
111 posted on 07/01/2013 10:20:54 AM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I agree with you, but people shriek in horror when I say it. I don’t think it will ever happen.

Used to be in England, (maybe it still is this way,) you could leave school legally at age 14-1/2 if you had an apprenticeship. To me that makes sense. Bring back apprenticeships and trade schools. Not everybody’s meant to take up space in a classroom until age 17 or 18, keeping others from learning.


112 posted on 07/01/2013 10:36:31 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: MCF

bfl. Interesting perspective. From a quick glance (will read later when I have time), the question comes to mind, “why don’t you go teach somewhere else that is not such a beat-down?”


113 posted on 07/01/2013 10:40:12 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: verga

Indeed, it’s almost 100% on the parents and their culture.
And I don’t want MY kids around THEIR kids unless they train them right, and they won’t and can’t.


114 posted on 07/01/2013 11:21:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Indeed, it’s almost 100% on the parents and their culture. And I don’t want MY kids around THEIR kids unless they train them right, and they won’t and can’t.

So then why are you blaming the schools for this poor behavior when you say: We already know that public schools are detrimental to the health, morals, and liberty of humanity,?

How can the schools be expected to do the job of the parents and at the same time provide a quality education?

Please keep in mind I have my students for 90 minutes a day 5 days a week in an average size class of 15 students. Parents have them (not counting sleeping time) 5-6 hours a day 7 days a week.

Who has a better chance and more opportunity to teach them civility and decorum?

I will tell you straight out that having met some (not all) the answer would be me, but that does not abrogate them of the responsibility.

115 posted on 07/01/2013 11:52:49 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
I intentionally moved out of an urban district so that I would not have to worry about teaching in an environment like this.

Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?

Well, you did not answer my question, but I will answer yours. Yes, the parents bear the majority of the responsibility of making sure their children are ready for school, including teaching them civility and decorum. The breakdown is the culture, which they bring with them to school, and which the authorities apparently want all children exposed to by making sure our schools are "diverse."

I tutor and substitute in the public schools in FL. It affirms our decision to homeschool every day. I would still like to know the answer to my original question: If you were in a school district like the one described in the article, and for whatever reason had to stay there - you could not move to a better district, would you homeschool your child to get him or her out of that environment?

116 posted on 07/01/2013 11:53:27 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

I grew up in NYC in the 60’s. One day it was white, the nex day it wasn’t. It was highly charged where I grew up. A close friend of mine was in the school yard talking with a black girl, a minute later he was covered in blood from the pen her friend shoved in his ear.

For about three years it got progressively worse. Then the Russians moved into the area and all of a sudden there were no more blacks or Puerto Ricans..


117 posted on 07/01/2013 11:59:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: verga

We’re talking past each other - I’m not expecting the schools to do the parents’ job. Got it? I never said such a thing that you keep saying I’m saying.

What I do know is that the parents aren’t and won’t do the job, and I’m not putting MY kids with THOSE kids.

Public schools are where the parents who don’t care send their untrained children.


118 posted on 07/01/2013 12:00:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: aberaussie
If you were in a school district like the one described in the article, and for whatever reason had to stay there - you could not move to a better district, would you homeschool your child to get him or her out of that environment?

I am sorry your question is a complete non sequitor. Any parent that says they can't move out of a bad district isn't trying. A good parent will do what ever it takes, if that means homeschooling until you can move to a better district, or enrolling them in a parochial/ Christian school then that is what you do.

Several years ago my wife and I were in the process of adopting three siblings. We lived in a rural district with a very good system, but we were considering homeschooling because the principal of the high school was a complete A-Hole.

119 posted on 07/01/2013 12:08:16 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: MrB
Public schools are where the parents who don’t care send their untrained children.

Are you saying lousy parents that just don't give a d@mn about the kids, or are you including parents that circumstances prevent them from homeschooling or affording a private school?

120 posted on 07/01/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: IronJack
What I don’t get is why we (whites) put up with this crap.

The same reason we put up with the IRS targeting conservative groups, the NSA (+ however many other federal agencies and corporations) monitoring every email, phone call, and banking transaction, and the fact that some type of extra tax, fee, or surcharge waits around every corner when we wish to do something with our own property or in the pursuit of our own happiness.
121 posted on 07/01/2013 12:14:22 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: verga

Oh, I knew that would get your back up, considering the tenor of this exchange.

What I said was EXACTLY what I said -

the parents who don’t care and won’t train will send their kids to public schools.

If you care and train your kids, you wouldn’t be included in that statement, now would you?


122 posted on 07/01/2013 12:15:46 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MCF
Mr. X asks: "Do you think I really hate black people?"

By your words, Mr. X, you have it very clear that you do.

123 posted on 07/01/2013 12:21:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Misterioso

Let’s just say that last year I was escorted from a school board meeting for going on an extended tirade that asked the musical question “Why are more EXPENSIVE schools equated with BETTER schools in your greedy little minds?”


124 posted on 07/01/2013 12:26:42 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: MrB
If you care and train your kids, you wouldn’t be included in that statement, now would you?

For the record it didn't "get my back up" I was asking for clarification because your statement could have been taken either way. And please remember that reading another person's mind is against the rules here, which is why I was very specific in my question.

Well my wife and I don't have any natural children, but have had 16 or so foster children and whether they were with us a weekend or several years we did our best to undo the damage that had been done by the natural parents.

125 posted on 07/01/2013 12:29:16 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: oh8eleven

I blame white liberals for destroying the black education system ...


Surely you jest. No black liberals had a thing to do with the demise not only of the education system, but all of “black america?”

Nope. My mom who is black and in her 70s had a totally different educational experience. Back then, from what she told me, all black schools then had not yet been destroyed by liberals.

Ofcourse now, she is sending my niece to a private Christian school where none of what described in that rant will happen.


126 posted on 07/01/2013 12:44:44 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: verga

Good on you for doing what you could.


127 posted on 07/01/2013 12:45:03 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MCF

“”Mama is chocolate . . . Daddy is vanilla “

Like heck.

Most often the other way around, black daddy and white mama. Hardly EVER a white daddy and black mama.

Hmmm. . .why is that?


128 posted on 07/01/2013 12:48:44 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: RginTN

Yes, liberalism destroyed the Black family. Sad.


129 posted on 07/01/2013 12:49:33 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: kabumpo
The American blacks had the violent disruption and eradication of their history and identity via slavery plus decades of suppression and ill-treatment after “freedom” ....

I have to disagree. Blaming it on slavery is a dodge.

In the segregated school Bert High School, the four time Olympic gold winner Wilma Rudolph went to school was one of the best run schools in Clarksville, even with a lesser budget than similar white school in town. The children that went to Bert were well behaved and got a good education.

This is because although their parents were mostly drawn from (hard working, God fearing) poor tobacco farmers they instilled great value in their children "getting as good book learnin' as any white folk"

Sadly many of their descendants aren't as insistent as their predecessors...
130 posted on 07/01/2013 12:56:41 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RginTN
I think that what your mom told you is true for a great many communities. The tragedy is that the cult of "Diversity", serves the interest of no group. It undermines the ability of each group to deal with problems in a realistic way. Does any of this make much sense?

William Flax

131 posted on 07/01/2013 1:03:45 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Hulka

Yes, liberalism destroyed the Black family. Sad.


Exactly. Liberalism influenced home training where lack of parenting drives out of control children in school.
Parents these days are more interested in being friends with their children. Then children don’t get taught how to act cause their parents haven’t taught them.


132 posted on 07/01/2013 1:07:33 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Ohioan

I think that what your mom told you is true for a great many communities. The tragedy is that the cult of ”Diversity”, serves the interest of no group. It undermines the ability of each group to deal with problems in a realistic way. Does any of this make much sense?William Flax


Well there was an effort to create all male and all female public schools. They were excelling. As usual liberals shut them down.

Yes you have a point about diversisty.


133 posted on 07/01/2013 1:13:16 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: livius
Culture is definitely the problem.

Part of the "culture" issue is low income housing. Housing projects ensure that children from dysfunctional families are surrounded by other dysfunctional families. There are no role models. There are no men of strong character and good habits. All the young children see are druggies, pimps and losers.

134 posted on 07/01/2013 1:15:37 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: MCF

bttt


135 posted on 07/01/2013 1:26:37 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Rutabega
Whenever we hear of any type of liberal placating behavior to low class blacks, my husband and I just say the word “pets".

I have held the belief that liberals adore abortion because it decimates (God help us) the population growth of the "pets". I have also held the belief that America is largely non-racists but the biggest collection of racists are in the Democrat party.

136 posted on 07/01/2013 1:34:14 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: RginTN
all black schools then had not yet been destroyed by liberals.
You first said it was white libs who destroyed black schools - I disagreed saying it also included black libs and you say no ("nope") it didn't.
And now you say it was just plain liberals.
Quite frankly, I don't think you have a clue, you just like to stir the pot.
137 posted on 07/01/2013 1:37:10 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RginTN

Chairman for a local Native American tribe told us the following in a business meeting:

“Worst thing the white man ever did to the red was give him money for being red. It killed us. I have enough jobs for every one of the 950 members in the reservation, but I can’t get 700 of them to take any job at all.”

Liberalism is slavery, which is pretty Orwellian upon reflection.


138 posted on 07/01/2013 1:41:45 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Senator_Blutarski
Housing projects ensure that children from dysfunctional families are surrounded by other dysfunctional families.

They sure do! But I grew up in NYC in the 50s and 60s, and then the housing projects were just replacement housing for people who had lived in tenements. You had to be married to get in and you had to be employed. The buildings weren't beautiful, but they were functional and safe.

Welfare recipients lived in what we called "welfare buildings" that were horrible. These were large buildings that the NYC welfare dept had rented out and which were inhabited mostly by blacks from the South. They had fires, people being thrown out of the windows, and ambulance calls at least three times a night.

I will never forget when the city declared that unmarried women with children could get apartments in the projects. This was under Lindsay, btw, after the Harlem riots and Lindsay bumped these people up to the top, over people who'd been on the list for years.

A coworker, who was black and lived in the projects (that is, black, married, employed and married to somebody who had been employed until his death a few years earlier) was very distressed because her daughter had fallen in with a bad crowd, gotten pregnant, and then came to see her mother and boasted that she could now get her own apartment. My co-worker said, "Liz, I just don't know what's going to happen now."

How right she was.

139 posted on 07/01/2013 1:46:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: oh8eleven
You first said it was white libs who destroyed black schools - I disagreed saying it also included black libs and you say no ("nope") it didn't. And now you say it was just plain liberals. Quite frankly, I don't think you have a clue, you just like to stir the pot. ---- Oh. Then I will edit that. all black schools then had not yet been destroyed by white liberals.
140 posted on 07/01/2013 1:49:01 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: MCF
My grandmother, who at age 104, descended from slaves and Native Americans, received a high school education, worked as a nurse and a school teacher in a one room school house. She is better educated and more literate than most of today's college grads. Somewhere in between, something awful happened to the blacks in this country, and I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics.
141 posted on 07/01/2013 1:49:05 PM PDT by semaj
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To: RginTN

Like I said - clueless.


142 posted on 07/01/2013 2:25:25 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: verga
I am sorry your question is a complete non sequitor. Any parent that says they can't move out of a bad district isn't trying.

I don't completely disagree with you, but I do think it is a fair question. There are a lot of reasons that people choose not to sell their homes and move. My daughter is an example. They live in a nice neighborhood, convenient to her husband's work and many other amenities. They are not completely happy with the floor plan of the house, but they could not get a better house without moving quite a distance away from work, church, etc. They had already decided to home school their teenage son (my daughter's step-son) for other reasons when the school system redrew the lines and they went from being zoned for the "good" high school to being zoned for the "bad" high school. That just made their decision that much easier.

So I think you answered my question - yes, but you would rather move. I like the option of homeschooling because it worked for us and then my kids' school lives were not disrupted every few years by rezoning (like mine was...)

143 posted on 07/01/2013 2:28:52 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: verga
...are you including parents that circumstances prevent them from homeschooling or affording a private school?

Why is not being able to move to a better district a non-sequitur, but this is not? Hmmmm.

144 posted on 07/01/2013 2:34:42 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: A_perfect_lady

I remember coming across this article a few years ago on the Marty Nemko site. It was written by Christopher Jackson.
(It’s since been scrubbed from the Nemko site http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html )
This article turned up on numerous sites and caused Libs heads to explode.
(screaming ‘racist’)

I remember it well. The article that turned up on Craig’s list is mostly the same article with some embellishments.
Don’t know if somebody copied it and added to it or what.

Probably you don’t have enough blacks to start any real trouble. They’re not too brave unless there’s a mob of them-and black supervisors to back them up.


145 posted on 07/01/2013 3:02:28 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: oh8eleven

Like I said - clueless


About my family history in the 50s & early 60s...nope.


146 posted on 07/01/2013 3:08:26 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Then the Russians moved into the area and all of a sudden there were no more blacks or Puerto Ricans..

__________________________

What happened? Were they afraid of them or what?


147 posted on 07/01/2013 3:10:51 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: knarf

I attended a majority black high school in the 90’s, and it wasn’t as bad as this, but it was a “magnet” school. So, they had to meet some standards to get in, and could be kicked out at pretty much any time and sent back to their local ghetto school. Mostly, this meant they would not be too disruptive in class, and save the behaviors described in this article for the hallways and lunch periods. Still, even going to school with the smarter black kids, on their best behavior, nothing in this article was unfamiliar or unrealistic to me.

There was a contingent that didn’t do this stuff at all, but even at the magnet school that seemed like less than 10% of the black kids, so I surmise they were probably not from the ghetto, but the few upscale black neighborhoods, or maybe they just had good parents.


148 posted on 07/01/2013 3:53:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RginTN

Yeah, the liberals sometimes remind me of the old Looney Tunes character, you know the one who says “I’m going to hug him, and squeeze him, and call him ‘George’”. They decided that they needed to protect blacks from racism, which was nice of them, I suppose, but then they decided that some things which are actually good and necessary are “racist”. They’ve ended up protecting blacks from the formula for success.


149 posted on 07/01/2013 3:59:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: wrencher
Johnson just tried to corral the vote, not make or change a culture.

To Johnson, all blacks were nigga's and he really was not too careful about hiding that.

The culture came from Africa over here via the muslim slave traders. Very pissed off nigga's that other nigga's would sell to white folks. ... um ... cracka's

150 posted on 07/01/2013 4:26:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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