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Zimmerman's injuries 'insignificant,' medical examiner testifies
Reuters ^ | 7/2/13 | Barbara Liston

Posted on 07/02/2013 4:56:51 PM PDT by RC one

(Reuters) - Volunteer watchman George Zimmerman suffered "insignificant" injuries in the fight in which he shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, a medical examiner testified on Tuesday, as prosecutors attempted to undermine Zimmerman's claim he feared for his life.

Testifying for the prosecution at Zimmerman's trial, Medical Examiner Valerie Rao said she reviewed Zimmerman's medical records and 36 pictures of his injuries taken at the police station after the fight.

"They were not life-threatening. They were very insignificant," Rao told the Seminole County criminal court jury.

Zimmerman, 29, has said Martin, 17, punched him in the face and repeatedly slammed his head into a concrete walkway. Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, could face life in prison if convicted.

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So, how many blows to the head does a man have to take before he can defend himself? How many blows to the head does a woman need to take before she can defend herself? Does it change?
1 posted on 07/02/2013 4:56:51 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

Yeah, it was insignificant because he shot that thug promptly.


2 posted on 07/02/2013 4:58:12 PM PDT by sagar
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To: RC one

If some guy did it to her she would not call it insignificant.


3 posted on 07/02/2013 5:00:25 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: RC one

Any injury to the head can be significant. You can’t tell just by looking at pictures.


4 posted on 07/02/2013 5:00:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RC one

The fix is in. Z may be a sacrificial lamb to please the ‘hood boyz.


5 posted on 07/02/2013 5:03:06 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: RC one

The fix is in. Z may be a sacrificial lamb to please the ‘hood boyz.


6 posted on 07/02/2013 5:03:07 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: RC one

“Medical Examiner Valerie Rao said she reviewed Zimmerman’s medical records and 36 pictures of his injuries taken at the police station after the fight.”

Pure medical malpractice !


7 posted on 07/02/2013 5:04:28 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: RC one
This wins the stupid, irresponsible MSM report of the day award.

Implication - Zimmerman is GUILTY because his skull wasn't fractured and gray matter wasn't oozing out. Simple lacerations and abrasions of the kind one gets from having their head slammed against the pavement in an assault obviously aren't enough.

Its clear the assorted perverts in the MSM want Rodney King style riots badly.

8 posted on 07/02/2013 5:06:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: RC one

“Ms. Rao, if Trayvon Martin had continued to reign blows down upon Mr. Zimmerman’s face and slam his head into the concrete, would he eventually have suffered injuries that you would consider significant?”

“Ms. Rao, can a person who is being beaten accurately determine at what point he will lose consciousness and be rendered incapable of defending himself?”

“Ms. Rao, did your mother have any children that lived?”


9 posted on 07/02/2013 5:07:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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10 posted on 07/02/2013 5:08:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sagar

“Yeah, it was insignificant because he shot that thug promptly.”

Bingo! You beat me to it!

Just think about this for a minute: she is the Medical Examiner. She looks at a lot of dead bodies. All the time. What makes her think she can adequately judge the significance of injuries on a live person?


11 posted on 07/02/2013 5:08:59 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: RC one

Thank God they were insignificant....the only REASON they were insignificant was because he had a gun.


12 posted on 07/02/2013 5:11:44 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: RC one

The injuries would have been significant if Martin had pinned Zimmerman on the sidewalk and continued banging his head into the concrete. Once he causes a brain hemorrhage, it would have been light out for Zimmerman. However, Zimmerman, knowing some martial arts skills shifted his body over to the grass. When he did that, his shirt hiked up exposing the gun. When Martin spotted the gun, Zimmerman knew if he didn’t get control of the gun, Martin would be grabbing for it. A fight for the gun was something Zimmerman could not afford to lose. So, he shot Martin because it was his last chance to save his own life.

The medical examiner should have been asked if her experience as an examiner has had people who died from head trauma from having someone bash it into a concrete surface.


13 posted on 07/02/2013 5:12:28 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: skeeter

She herself testified that Zimmermans nose was broken.
I guess that is to be interpreted as a “love tap”.


14 posted on 07/02/2013 5:12:35 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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Valerie Rao has been the subject of recurring complaints from her co-workers dating back to 2009
15 posted on 07/02/2013 5:12:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RC one

Someone should knock her to the ground and punch her in the nose. Then she can tell us how insignificant that kind of attack is.


16 posted on 07/02/2013 5:14:05 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: RC one

The only insignificant injuries are someone else’s.


17 posted on 07/02/2013 5:14:47 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: RC one

Wow! What a loaded answer, or was it a loaded question? Either way, BIAS! And a crock of poo!


18 posted on 07/02/2013 5:14:59 PM PDT by vpintheak (We are the the God blessed chosen few! Be thankful for it!)
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To: RC one

Here ... read this.

More complaints on Medical Examiner Valerie Rao

http://www.news4jax.com/news/more-complaints-on-jacksonville-medical-examiner-dr-valerie-rao/-/475880/20640256/-/rurvpcz/-/index.html


19 posted on 07/02/2013 5:16:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: RC one

Just ONE leftard comment there. What it got to say? “I just keep going back to the fact that he was told not to follow him. that is all I keep hearing and remembering. Everything else is mute to me.”

Yup, that’s all they got even at al-Reuters!


20 posted on 07/02/2013 5:16:17 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: RC one
Testifying for the prosecution at Zimmerman's trial, Medical Examiner Valerie Rao said she reviewed Zimmerman's medical records and 36 pictures of his injuries taken at the police station after the fight.

But she did not examine Zimmerman directly. Which makes this testimony garbage.

21 posted on 07/02/2013 5:18:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Well since he wasn’t a corpse I can see where an ME might consider his injuries insignificant. But how is she qualified to determine the seriousness of his injuries without actually examining him?


22 posted on 07/02/2013 5:19:16 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: piytar
When Zimmerman related that he was following Martin, the 911 operator told him: "We don't need you to do that".

That is NOT being "...told not to follow him."
23 posted on 07/02/2013 5:24:36 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: RC one
Latest from Legal Insurrection Blog...

A quick Google search disabused me of that notion. Indeed, not since the Frye hearing was an expert in the case perhaps as subject to questioning on such issues than Dr. Rao. Indeed, at her previous State appointment as medical examiner in a different part of the state, there were years of complaints about her unsanitary procedures, including such [STOP IF EATING DINNER] pleasantries as Dr. Rao washing her feet in the autopsy sink, using her bare hands during procedures, and even accusations of exposing doctors to deadly diseases. Ultimately she was removed from that position. To read the original news article, see: Former employee speaks out about medical examiner (NOTE: Unless the above facts are somehow introduced into evidence, the jury will not be aware of them, and even if aware will be instructed to not take that knowledge into consideration in evaluating Dr. Rao’s testimony.)

But Dr. Rao got a very lucky break, indeed, in the form of the favor of State Prosecutor Angela Corey, a powerful figure in State politics. Corey provided Dr. Rao with an interim appointment as Medical Examiner in Jacksonville, a position later changed to a permanent appointment by the Governor.

Then Corey’s prosecution team asked Dr. Rao to testify in Florida v. Zimmerman. She couldn’t very well re-do the long-ago completed autopsy, and indeed they focus wasn’t on Trayvon Martin at all. Instead, they asked her if she could express an opinion on the severity of the injuries suffered by George Zimmerman at the hands of Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26, 2012. She would be constrained, they cautioned her, by not actually having access to the patient himself, but would have to work from photographs and written medical reports from doctors that had examined Zimmerman.

As evidenced by her appearance as a State witness today, Dr. Rao was more than happy to help out.


I hope the jury gets to hear some of this...

24 posted on 07/02/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: jonrick46

I’m guessing that will come up if it hasn’t yet.


25 posted on 07/02/2013 5:27:14 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Darteaus94025

And a 911 operator has NO Authority to tell you to do anything.


26 posted on 07/02/2013 5:27:17 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: RC one

More complaints on Medical Examiner Valerie Rao

Rao’s term ended 2012; still running Jacksonville ME office

Click Orlando
July 2 2013 04:12:12 PM EDT

Jacksonville, Fla. - Jacksonville Medical Examiner Valerie Rao has been the subject of recurring complaints from her co-workers dating back to 2009, WJXT-TV reports. According to letters sent to the the city, “Rao has been seen touching cadavers with her bare hands, washing her feet in the autopsy sink, and performing unnecessary autopsies on inmates to create a revenue stream.”

WJXT learned that Rao actually has a history of complaints dating back 10 years, while she was Medical Examiner for Citrus, Hernando, Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. Dr. Rao was the Medical Examiner there from 2000 to 2003. 

WJXT uncovered the minutes from the Medical Examiner’s Commission meeting on May 15, 2003, that revealed concerns about Rao from funeral homes, organ donor organizations and law enforcement agencies.  

In the minutes officers expressed disapproval of Dr. Rao’s “propensity to classify virtually all prison deaths as homicides, and lack of expertise by office personnel in the management of crime scene investigations.”

Funeral directors complained that Dr. Rao’s office lacked consistency when dealing with funeral homes.  The documents from the 2003 Commission meeting also specified that virtually all the complaints about Rao concerned her “administrative skills”, not her “abilities as a forensic pathologist.”

In that same meeting, the commission voted unanimously not to recommend her re-appointment. 

After she left Florida, Dr. Rao took a Medical Examiner position in Missouri. When WJXT dug deeper into her time in Missouri, we uncovered more complaints. 

In 2006, a television station in Columbus Missouri indicated that some of the pathology residents from the University of Missouri were, “glad to see her go.”  According to the story, Rao didn’t work enough with the residents.

Eventually Rao returned to Florida and was appointed Medical Examiner of Duval, Clay and Nassau counties in late 2011, a term, that according to Governor Rick Scott’s Office, expired in July 2012.

WJXT called the governor’s office Wednesday afternoon in hopes of  learning more about Rao’s career and why she is still working as the Medical Examiner in our area if her contract expired in 2012. The press officer was not able to get that answer for us. 

WJXT also reached out to the agencies who made complaints about Rao; only one person returned calls and did not want to comment.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/more-complaints-on-jacksonville-medical-examiner-dr-valerie-rao/-/1637132/20809628/-/37ivkqz/-/index.html


27 posted on 07/02/2013 5:28:25 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Darteaus94025

Oh I agree.


28 posted on 07/02/2013 5:28:52 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: RC one
Is this the same moron who initially said Martin didn't have any injuries to his knuckles?
29 posted on 07/02/2013 5:30:32 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: RC one

As far as I’m concerned, this is another big screw up by the prosecution to focus on those pictures. What has to be made apparent is what most likely was going on in Zimmerman’s mind about his immediate safety to the jury, and those pics make it pretty obvious he took a good thrashing and nose break. Even one scratch should be plenty for any defense lawyer. I sure hope the jury already understands this unless the fix is already in.


30 posted on 07/02/2013 5:34:35 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

the prosecutor just told every woman on that jury that cramps are “all in theirhead”.


31 posted on 07/02/2013 5:38:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: smokingfrog

why is she wearing the psuedo flag?

was it to convey some imagined patriotism?


32 posted on 07/02/2013 5:39:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RC one; All
The issue is;

Fear for your life;

Some people snowboard down Kilamanjaro but won't get up on a leaky roof.

33 posted on 07/02/2013 5:40:07 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: RC one

None. You must be in fear of death or serious bodily injury. You aren’t required to sustain a blow, but you must be able to justify a fear of receiving one.

FYI, in Texas, a blow to the head or neck is considered aggravated assault, due to the potential for death or serious injury.


34 posted on 07/02/2013 5:40:34 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: RC one

Don’t have to take any really. If someone says they are going to kill you, and they show intent, then you can defend yourself.


35 posted on 07/02/2013 5:41:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LaRueLaDue
So

For someone that is so documented,

She can't speak a single sentence without prefixing it with;

So.


That was the most difficult testimony to listen to ... after dee dee.

36 posted on 07/02/2013 5:41:49 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: RC one

A broken nose is insignificant? Ms. Rao is an awful person.


37 posted on 07/02/2013 5:48:40 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: RC one
Please tell that to Natasha Richardson's family (Liam Neeson's wife)

On 16 March 2009, Richardson sustained a head injury when she fell while taking a beginner skiing lesson at the Mont Tremblant Resort in Quebec, Canada about 80 miles (130 km) from Montreal. The injury was followed by a lucid interval, when Richardson seemed to be fine and was able to talk and act normally. Paramedics and an ambulance which initially responded to the accident were told they were not needed and left.[19] Refusing medical attention twice, she returned to her hotel room and about three hours later was taken to a local hospital in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts after complaining of a headache.[20][21] She was transferred from there by ambulance to Hôpital du Sacré-Cœur, Montreal, in critical condition and was admitted about seven hours after the fall.[22][23] The following day she was flown to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, where she died on 18 March at the age of 45.[24][25] An autopsy conducted by the New York City Medical Examiners Office on 19 March revealed the cause of death was an "epidural hematoma due to blunt impact to the head", and her death was ruled an accident.

38 posted on 07/02/2013 5:49:54 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: RC one
Saw some of the playback of her testimony...
She's kinda old for a prostitute...
39 posted on 07/02/2013 5:54:42 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: ALPAPilot

All they need is a medical professional to testify about the number of people left dead and/or permanently brain damaged from “insignificant” blows to the skull and that argument is done for. I have personally seen plenty of such cases myself.


40 posted on 07/02/2013 5:57:05 PM PDT by RC one
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To: smokingfrog

Caption is - “Duherrrrrr!”


41 posted on 07/02/2013 5:57:21 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: RC one

Significance often depends on context. From pics I have seen Zimmerman had a very bloodied and battered nose....makes one wince just to look at it. And he had blood running all down the back of his head from gashes. This is quite significant in that it bolsters his story of being on the ground being beaten up and having his head knocked into concrete. Now in regard to Zimmerman suffering irreversible brain damage or death I think we should be grateful that the Martin did not yet achieve such damage. Perhaps the prosecution regrets this, and would prefer that innocent neighborhood watchman be more significantly and permanently injured or killed.


42 posted on 07/02/2013 6:01:00 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: varmintman

there were years of complaints about her unsanitary procedures, including such [STOP IF EATING DINNER] pleasantries as Dr. Rao washing her feet in the autopsy sink,


Is she a moslem? I’ve read that they have to wash their feet if they fart.


43 posted on 07/02/2013 6:02:05 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: RC one

What a pig.


44 posted on 07/02/2013 6:08:34 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Lancey Howard

“Ms. Rao, if Trayvon Martin had continued to reign blows down upon Mr. Zimmerman’s face and slam his head into the concrete, would he eventually have suffered injuries that you would consider significant?”

“Ms. Rao, can a person who is being beaten accurately determine at what point he will lose consciousness and be rendered incapable of defending himself?”


Too bad the defense didn’t ask those questions. The judge would have disregarded them as speculative, though.


45 posted on 07/02/2013 6:08:48 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: AndyTheBear

That’s the thing about self defense, you do it to prevent yourself from sustaining significant injuries with the belief that you will if you don’t act. Democrats seem to think you need to have actuallu suffered brain damage before you act. That isn’t how it works.


46 posted on 07/02/2013 6:12:31 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

lol


47 posted on 07/02/2013 6:15:14 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Given what else they wash with hoses, I wouldn’t want to use any facilities after she is finished.


48 posted on 07/02/2013 6:15:21 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: smokingfrog

Means nothing as far as this trial goes. The jury will never hear it, and the defense will never be permitted to show it.


49 posted on 07/02/2013 6:17:44 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Darteaus94025

That has been exactly my point from the beginning!


50 posted on 07/02/2013 6:18:53 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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