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USS "THE SULLIVANS"
Vanity ^ | 12/2005 | Dick Bachert

Posted on 07/03/2013 7:22:33 PM PDT by Dick Bachert

As we gather our loved ones around us to celebrate July 4th, we should all say a silent prayer for all those who paid the final price so that we might -- albeit imperfectly and hopefully more perfectly in the future -- continue the unique experiment in human freedom we call America.

I awoke one morning during a September, 2005 cruise as we pulled into Nassau and looked out the porthole to see two US Arleigh Burke class destroyers next to us.  After breakfast, I strolled out onto deck 7 and got goose bumps when I noticed the shamrock on the stack of one of them.  Walked aft to catch a view of the transom of that boat.  It was the USS “THE SULLIVANS!"  The goose bumps intensified as I recalled the story of the five Sullivan brothers who INSISTED that they be allowed to serve together and, persisting in the face of a naval reg prohibiting it, were assigned to the USS Juneau when she was sunk on November 13, 1942 at Guadalcanal.  4 boys died instantly and the 5th son died at sea either from his injuries, a shark attack or exposure.  

THEIR MOTHER RECEIVED ALL 5 TELEGRAMS FROM THE NAVY ON THE SAME DAY!!!! 

I related the story to several of those on deck with me who were also checking out the destroyers.  I was greeted with BLANK STARES of disinterest.  I wanted to grab one guy by the stacking swivel, hoist him off the deck and scream that it was men and ships such as that which make it possible for A**HOLES like him to enjoy a peaceful cruise around the Caribbean. Not wishing to spend the rest of the voyage in the brig, I contented myself with muttering "a**hole" as he wandered off in search of another buffet.

And in a sign of the times, both ships had armed sentries posted fore and aft in Nassau, an ostensibly friendly and safe port.  But then, Aden was also considered safe at the time the USS Cole (also a Burke class destroyer) was attacked.  And I believe that, unlike the guards on the Cole -- and the Marine sentries in Beirut years earlier -- THESE guys were locked and loaded with orders to fire for effect!

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: freedom; independence; sacrifice
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1 posted on 07/03/2013 7:22:33 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

War is hell. It doesn’t get much worse than the story of the Sullivans.


2 posted on 07/03/2013 7:26:31 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Dick Bachert

Saw the movie when I was a kid and never forgot the story. Tragic.

Bless the Five Sullivans - both the brothers and the ship that bears their name.


3 posted on 07/03/2013 7:26:31 PM PDT by llevrok (We are in a new Cold War. At home.)
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To: Dick Bachert

There is an old B&W movie about the Sullivans.

It was so sad that I don’t think I would want to watch it again.


4 posted on 07/03/2013 7:26:35 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Dick Bachert

5 posted on 07/03/2013 7:27:47 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Dick Bachert

thanks for posting this.

the 5 sullivans hailed from Waterloo, Iowa, which is where I currently live..(well, really close to waterloo, anyway). The convention center in the downtown is aptly named Five Sullivan Brothers convention center.

Inside, they have a tribute to the brothers, pictures, life stories, etc. they also have a scale model of the Juneau, and the ship in your post.

It is a neat display to see, if you are ever in the Cedar Valley.


6 posted on 07/03/2013 7:27:49 PM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Dick Bachert

“I wanted to grab one guy by the stacking swivel, hoist him off the deck and scream that it was men and ships such as that which make it possible for A**HOLES like him to enjoy a peaceful cruise around the Caribbean.”

Too bad you let yourself get frustrated. It sounded like a great opportunity to teach. What happened to the Sullivan’s mom should never happen to another American mom, so help our nation.


7 posted on 07/03/2013 7:28:04 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: yarddog

Those guys deaths helped save Private Ryan you know.

:/


8 posted on 07/03/2013 7:28:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: gorush

War is hell. It doesn’t get much worse than the story of the Sullivans.


No, it doesn’t.


9 posted on 07/03/2013 7:29:53 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: GeronL

I remember a story of WWI. At that time the British Army would let guys from the same town all serve together. I think it probably had something to do with morale.

The problem was that some towns had their entire population of young men wiped out in some battles.


10 posted on 07/03/2013 7:34:29 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Dick Bachert

Thank you for the post and the reminder of what Independence Day has cost some.


11 posted on 07/03/2013 7:35:23 PM PDT by NV Lawdog (In God I trust; Everybody else keep your hands where I can see them!)
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To: yarddog

The movie was The Fighting Sullivans made in 1944.


12 posted on 07/03/2013 7:36:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Dick Bachert

It is apparent to me that history is lost on those that just believe they don’t have time for it...

Therefore they are indifferent, and their attitude is an affront to those that do their best to learn history, tradition, and honor the sacrifices of those that have served before us...

So the best we can do is keep on doing what we know best...And maybe, just maybe, our resilience will rub off on at least one other person in our lives...


13 posted on 07/03/2013 7:37:32 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Thanks for posting this, though very sad it shows the true sacrifice made by many during WWII.


14 posted on 07/03/2013 7:41:32 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: yarddog; Dick Bachert; llevrok

The Five Fighting Sullivans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBssrsmuW1A

Sad, but inspirational movie...


15 posted on 07/03/2013 7:42:39 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBssrsmuW1A


16 posted on 07/03/2013 7:43:25 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: QualityMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBssrsmuW1A


17 posted on 07/03/2013 7:44:09 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Saw the movie on TV when I was 10 and didn’t know the ending.
Only time I cried at a movie. I’m a Sullivan.


18 posted on 07/03/2013 7:53:49 PM PDT by AU72
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To: AU72

Any relation to Pat?


19 posted on 07/03/2013 8:05:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: QualityMan

we might be going sort of kinda of that area in next week.....is there a statue or memorial?...


20 posted on 07/03/2013 8:10:24 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Dick Bachert

Great movie!


21 posted on 07/03/2013 8:11:18 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Dick Bachert
I was fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to teach at the Sullivan's Elementary school at the Yokosuka Naval Base in Japan. The school was named in honor of the Sullivan brothers.
22 posted on 07/03/2013 8:11:29 PM PDT by WesternPacific (The herded sheep have finally arrived at the slaughter house.)
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To: Dick Bachert

I love the movie right up to the end. Watching the kids make mom a woodbox through the side of the house is great. But man, seeing dad check his railroad watch and go to work crying rips a hole right through me every time.


23 posted on 07/03/2013 8:13:58 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Dick Bachert

Myself and two of my brothers were on the same ship in 1965. (the USS Goodrich) It wasn’t an issue then...


24 posted on 07/03/2013 8:16:20 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: eartrumpet

That scene really caught my attention too as my grandparents house was built with one of those doors to stick firewood through.

When they got married Grandmother’s Daddy built them a nice large house and gave them 40 acres. He did that for all his children. As he was a sawmill owner it wasn’t that difficult.

Those little boys were trying to make the exact same thing.


25 posted on 07/03/2013 8:19:39 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Dick Bachert

Your post, and this thread, gave me goosebumps.

I’m proud to be Irish, hearing stories like that.

And you know how Mom probably took it - it broke her heart, but they died fighting with each other for a land that hated their guts to start, but embraced them later.

Love the shamrock on the stack. I have a shamrock hat I wear everywhere.


26 posted on 07/03/2013 8:19:54 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: AU72

I know some very, very good Sullivan’s, and they are fighters. Some of the most upbeat, toughest, most God-fearing people I know.

You come from excellent stock. It’s clear you’re no Fitzgerald.


27 posted on 07/03/2013 8:23:23 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

I remember a Sullivan who won the Heisman Trophy around 1971 give or take a year or so,

Pat Sullivan played for Auburn. I think Terry Beasley had a lot to do with Pat’s winning it.


28 posted on 07/03/2013 8:26:32 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Dick Bachert
From the New York Times, April 5, 1943.

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29 posted on 07/03/2013 8:34:02 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

bump


30 posted on 07/03/2013 8:34:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
From the New York Times, June 17, 1943.

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31 posted on 07/03/2013 8:45:56 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Dick Bachert

I slip my little sailboat across the harbor from the Sullivans in Buffalo NY. When returning to port, I usually take passengers along side Sullivans, for a perspective on relative size of our vessels. Most are impressed by the magnitude of the old iron boat. More so, after telling the story of the Sullivan brothers service and their sacrifice. They don’t make ‘em like that any more.

Non sibi sed patriae!


32 posted on 07/03/2013 9:01:05 PM PDT by pgobrien (Independence Day.....not 4th of July!)
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To: Dick Bachert
My uncle Joe Hartney USN, was the signalman on the Juneau and one of the ten survivors [out of 700] of the tragedy.

Fortunately, his amazing story was recorded for posterity: http://www.ussatlanta.com/stories/Juneasstoryfay.htm

You will weep, witness miracles, share his joy with the help he received from natives and be amazed at the courage and grit of this All-American hero. I think his story is worth the read.

An aside: He makes mention of looking at a photo of his wife in the linked account, before the torpedo hit; as a child, I recall him saying, that for some reason he uncharacteristically put his wallet in his shirt pocket. After the explosion and fire, his pants were blow away, and he would have lost his wallet; but as fate would have it, part of his shirt with his wallet remained.

Lue C. Hartney & Joseph Patrick Francis Hartney Sea2c Nov 1941

God Bless you Uncle Joe. Wherever you are.

33 posted on 07/03/2013 9:31:16 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: AU72

You never saw Ol’ Yeller?


34 posted on 07/03/2013 9:54:22 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: llevrok

It has special meaning to my family - a branch is from Kerry.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 10:00:15 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: babygene

IIRC There was a father and son killed in the fire on the Forrestal (sp).


36 posted on 07/03/2013 10:01:25 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Dick Bachert
The elementary school at Yokosuka Naval Base in Japan is named for the Sullivan brothers. I was a student there from 1-3 grades.

FYI: The high school is named for Nile C. Kinnick, 1939 Heisman Trophy winner, naval aviator in WWII, lost in a training flight on 2 June 1943. Mark Hamill [of Star Wars fame] is an alumnus ...


37 posted on 07/03/2013 10:01:53 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Dick Bachert
I see them every day. I collect WWII posters (they are the artwork in my house).

The Sullivan "Missing in Action" poster has always had prominent placement.

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38 posted on 07/03/2013 10:15:10 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: Dick Bachert

As I recall, the USS The Sullivans almost suffered a terrorist bombing in Yemen in 2000, but AQ wasn’t able to coordinate the attack, and the Cole ended up being bombed.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 10:22:16 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Dick Bachert

You can blame ignorant people for not appreciating the freedoms they enjoy without being aware of history and sacrifice.

Don’t blame the a**holes for the blank stares, blame the education system for never exposing these people to stories like the Sullivan Bros. People who grew up with no knowledge of WWII or other wars and amamzing stories like these brothers don’t have a clue.

The Revisionist trend which bends facts and history like saying Hiroshima was American barbarism brought down on (say with Elmer Fudd accent) liddo Japanese poor diddums is more of a threat than general ignorance.

Nowadays most people learn history from Hollywood movies and do not read books.

Our only hope is that those in Hollywood that care, like Tom Hanks, will continue to enlighten us with historical period films because kids certainly are not going to learn about the Sullivan Bros. in the classroom.


40 posted on 07/03/2013 10:22:52 PM PDT by Netz
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To: Figment

“IIRC There was a father and son killed in the fire on the Forrestal (sp).”

Yes I know. Another brother was on the USS Forrestal when it blew.


41 posted on 07/03/2013 10:23:30 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: yarddog
"I remember a story of WWI. At that time the British Army would let guys from the same town all serve together. I think it probably had something to do with morale."

In WWI when the US Army was going to a formalized combined arms division structure a many of the new divisions were formed from troops from the same state and a lot of national guard unit patches still reflect this regionalism (i.e. 28th Infantry Division being a Pennsylvania Keystone).

A bunch of "leftovers" from all 48 states were combined into another division which was the 82nd Infantry Division which of course, became the 82nd Airborne Division in the early days of WWII. Because of its early constitution of soldiers from all over the country, the unit became known as the "All American" Division which is still reflected in the "AA" on the unit patch...


42 posted on 07/03/2013 10:31:47 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Daffynition

I read your Uncle’s account of his experience. How absolutely amazing that he made it through.


43 posted on 07/03/2013 11:34:25 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: Daffynition

Thanks for that link on your uncle’s experience. They could have made an exciting movie just on his story of survival. Unbelievable!


44 posted on 07/04/2013 12:14:49 AM PDT by willk
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To: babygene

My Old Man and his step-brother were on the WARRINGTON in the early 60s.


45 posted on 07/04/2013 12:19:04 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: garandgal

Ordinary men, doing extraordinary things.

Our Veterans endure many events that change them and history. Holidays, such as this are to remember them, and their valor. God have Mercy on their souls.


46 posted on 07/04/2013 12:19:35 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: willk
Well, I was just a child, when he visited the east coast...and he appeared to little me to be just an ordinary guy. But his stories kept us kiddos spellbound. I'm glad someone recorded his oral story.

His daughter wrote:

Hi Paul, Thank you for all of the work you have done to assure these heroes be remembered. It has been huge task, I'm sure, and please know how tremendously your efforts are appreciated. I have attached a photo [above]of my mother and father taken in Nov 1941. The photo was taken on the farm in Connecticut where she was born and raised. She and dad were married in march of 1942 and moved to California in 1950 after the Port Chicago, CA disastrous explosion. Dad taught classes to Navy personnel there and they decided to settle here and raised 5 children. He died of leukemia in Dec 1981 and mom will be 85 this June. His remains were cremated and sprinkled at sea as he wished. He said he wanted to rest with his buddies and "maybe kick the sh_ _ out of some sharks". Gratefully, Dona Hartney

47 posted on 07/04/2013 12:28:12 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: yarddog

I remember a story of WWI. At that time the British Army would let guys from the same town all serve together. I think it probably had something to do with morale.

The problem was that some towns had their entire population of young men wiped out in some battles.


Read the “Bedford Boys”..19 young men from one small town in Virginia died together in the first wave at Omaha.


48 posted on 07/04/2013 1:10:52 AM PDT by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: Daffynition

My Great Uncle was wounded & captured at Anzio. He rarely talked about it, BUT when he first returned home after the War was over he was interviewed by the local paper...thankfully, my Grandmother kept a copy.

After he was taken prisoner, he and others were eventually put on a train to be taken to a German camp. As they traveled through Italy, sympathetic women would hand them food through the open windows. Of course, the young men eagerly reached out to take it. Until a guard shot a woman point blank in the head to “teach them a lesson.”

Later, as prisoners, they were given gruel and potatoes...barely enough to sustain them, of course. However, a couple of the younger guards who were on duty at night would bring them chickens.

I always found it fascinating that the two things he specifically mentioned had to do with food...similar to your Uncle mentioning how hungry they were rather often in his account. Puts things into perspective as we all plan our picnics for later today does it not?


49 posted on 07/04/2013 1:23:56 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


50 posted on 07/04/2013 1:27:33 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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