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The Flags of the American Revolution
Various ^ | July 4, 2013 | The People of the US

Posted on 07/04/2013 7:59:30 AM PDT by Pharmboy

I thought this would be an appropriate reference for today. God Bless America.


Franklin's Woodcut from 1754...not a flag


Bunker Hill


The Bedford Flag


First Troop Philadelphia City Cavalry


First Pennsylvania Rifles


The Gadsden Flag


Navy Jack


The Hanover Associator's Flag


General Sullivan's Flag


Flag of General Washington's Life Guard


General Washington's HQ Flag


The Culpepper (VA) Minute Men


Bennington


Flag of the Grand Union


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: flags; revwar
Please feel free to add your own favorites to this thread. Maybe we can get all of them...
1 posted on 07/04/2013 7:59:30 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

I love those historical flags. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 07/04/2013 8:02:06 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; mainepatsfan; timpad; ...

The RevWar/Colonial/History/General Washington ping list

Happy Fourth, Freepers!

3 posted on 07/04/2013 8:03:05 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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4 posted on 07/04/2013 8:06:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Pharmboy

Green Mountain Boys Flag

Flag of new England

Serapis Flag (JPJ)

Pine Tree Flag

Taunton (Mass) Flag

5 posted on 07/04/2013 8:10:24 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Pharmboy
I read the other day that Betsy Ross's flag was made of sail cloth which was likely woven of hemp.

BTW, I still think that is the most beautiful version of the Stars and Stripes. We have a Flag Museum here with examples of every American Flag they could gather in this little town. The genesis is that this was the home of an immigrant (Swiss, I think) who spent his life getting Flag Day recognized as an American Holiday.

6 posted on 07/04/2013 8:11:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Pharmboy
I read the other day that Betsy Ross's flag was made of sail cloth which was likely woven of hemp.

BTW, I still think that is the most beautiful version of the Stars and Stripes. We have a Flag Museum here with examples of every American Flag they could gather in this little town. The genesis is that this was the home of an immigrant (Swiss, I think) who spent his life getting Flag Day recognized as an American Holiday.

7 posted on 07/04/2013 8:11:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NonValueAdded

Excellent additions! I did not want to take all the pleasure of posting these treasures...thanks!


8 posted on 07/04/2013 8:12:15 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Diogenesis

Thank you...excellent reminder that the fight goes on.


9 posted on 07/04/2013 8:13:01 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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10 posted on 07/04/2013 8:13:09 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Very interesting...I did not know that. And the Swiss have a very simple and elegant flag.


11 posted on 07/04/2013 8:14:42 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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http://www.nationalflagday.com/Today.asp

Sorry. The instigator of National Flag Day was NOT from Switzerland. He was from Luxomberg.


12 posted on 07/04/2013 8:15:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tomkat

Standing on that bridge a few decades ago was an incredibly moving experience.


13 posted on 07/04/2013 8:16:12 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

No problem...I did not know that, either! Thanks for the correction.


14 posted on 07/04/2013 8:17:42 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: All

We still need the Guilford Courthouse flag and the Cowpens flag. For extra credit, describe the significance of the Cowpens flag over the Betsy Ross flag.


15 posted on 07/04/2013 8:19:21 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Pharmboy

Bernard CiGrand was the child of Luxombergian immigrants who paid his way through dental school by teaching at the Stony Hills School in Waubeka, WI. The Flag Day Museum is located in the old Stony Hills School. He was a remarkable man who loved this country and loved our flag.

http://www.nationalflagday.com/bjc.asp


16 posted on 07/04/2013 8:20:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: NonValueAdded
An early Great Seal of the USA design. It was turned down but Franklin adopted it as his own personal seal. Note the burning bush and Egyptians drowning in the sea with the Israelites on the far side.

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Washington before it was called "Tebowing"

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17 posted on 07/04/2013 8:21:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pharmboy
From the web page:

Father of Flag Day

Bernard J. Cigrand was first and foremost an American patriot. From the 1880s through the 1930s, he preached respect and honor for the nation and its flag.

In 1885, however, Cigrand still a teenager and only at the beginning of his journey. He entered dental college later that year, mixing his professional studies with the promotion of the flag.

In June 1886 he made his first public proposal for the annual observance of the birth of the flag when he wrote an article titled “The Fourteenth of June” in the old Chicago Argus newspaper.

In June of 1888, at the same time he was graduating first in his class from dental college, Cigrand addressed a Chicago organization known as the “Sons of America”. In his speech he emphasized the good that would come from a flag holiday. In response, the organization undertook to publish a magazine called the “American Standard” to inculcate reverence for American emblems, and appointed Cigrand its editor-in-chief. Cigrand’s articles in this magazine helped direct public attention to the Flag and the date of its birth.

In the years that followed, Cigrand authored hundreds of other magazine and newspaper articles advocating recognition of the June 14th adoption of the Stars and Stripes.

In the third Saturday in June, 1894, , the first general public school children’s celebration of Flag Day in Chicago was held in Douglas, Garfield, Humboldt, Lincoln, and Washington Parks, with more than 300,000 children participating. These observances were held in the five parks again the next year, also on the third Saturday of June.

In the years that followed, 36 Governors, scores of mayors and five Presidents of the United States sent delegates and credentials agreeing that Flag Day should be observed in all states of the Union on the actual June 14 anniversary of the adoption of the flag .By 1916 flag ceremonies on June 14 had become so prevalent that President Woodrow Wilson issued a proclamation establishing Flag Day as an annual national event.

Books by Bernard J. CiGrand

“Story of the American Flag” Profusely illustrated.
“The Real Abraham Lincoln”
“The Life of Alexander Hamilton”
“The Real Robert Morris” (A Pennsylvania banker known as “the financier of the American Revolution.”)
“Story of the Great Seal of the United States.”
“History of American Emblems”
“The History of American Heraldry”

Cigrand died of a sudden heart attack on 16 May 1932

President Harry S. Truman signed the legislation in 1949 and June 14th was properly designated Flag Day. On June 14th, 2004, the 108th U.S. Congress voted unanimously on H.R. 662 that Flag Day originated in Ozaukee County, Waubeka Wisconsin, 60 years after Truman.

18 posted on 07/04/2013 8:34:25 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Pharmboy
They forgot one (and it's my favorite), the Civil Flag of the United States:

This flag is still legally in use, but what is its purpose? Well, it is the flag of peacetime. The reason we never see it is that the United States is legally in a state of constant war, with the citizens of the United States as the declared enemy per the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1933. The flag we recognize of the United States, Inc. is a MILITARY ENSIGN; in fact, the gold fringe was added as a result of the bankruptcy of 1933 and the adoption of Admiralty Law in our courts. Effectively, when we enter a court room and see that flag, we are being told that the common law no longer applies. The judge is king.

Don't think this doesn't have consequences. It has everything to do with rules of evidence and jury instructions, especially as regards jury nullification.

I've often wondered what would happen if I ever had a case in Federal court and brought a small civil flag into the room with a little extendable stand so that my flag was higher than the one behind the judge... what would he do? If he understood it, my guess is that I'd be arrested on the spot.

19 posted on 07/04/2013 8:43:18 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Pharmboy
What Americans Used To Know About The Declaration Of Independence
20 posted on 07/04/2013 8:45:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: Carry_Okie

More likely, you would be laughed out of the place. Modifying the U.S. Customs Service Flag by placing stars in the canton in lieu of the U.S. Coat of Arms does not a legal flag make. Moreover, the nonsense story that you include with it is even more laughable. Don’t drink to excess on this wonderful day.


21 posted on 07/04/2013 8:54:35 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Pharmboy

There is a Culpeper Flag on the wall behind me, and on the wall I’m facing, there us a 4x6’ US Flag that was flown over the Capitol.


22 posted on 07/04/2013 9:00:32 AM PDT by real saxophonist (If something is TRULY 'common sense', then a law about it is unnecessary.)
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To: real saxophonist
A cool company, for anyone who's interested:

http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/

23 posted on 07/04/2013 9:02:37 AM PDT by real saxophonist (If something is TRULY 'common sense', then a law about it is unnecessary.)
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To: centurion316
Modifying the U.S. Customs Service Flag by placing stars in the canton in lieu of the U.S. Coat of Arms does not a legal flag make. Moreover, the nonsense story that you include with it is even more laughable.

"Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces." Every courtroom in the United States uses a gold fringed flag. Are you denying that our courts are under Admiralty Law?

I offered sources. They are solid. You didn't; instead playing the usual game of epithet. Read the sources and then refute the sources. That's how it's done here.

24 posted on 07/04/2013 9:14:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Pharmboy

25 posted on 07/04/2013 9:16:13 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Pharmboy


My Bedford Flag

26 posted on 07/04/2013 9:18:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Beautiful, it is, my love!


27 posted on 07/04/2013 9:56:59 AM PDT by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: Carry_Okie

A better source can be found here:

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/UniformedServices/Flags/US_Flags.aspx

The source that you cite, applies ONLY to the military, as it was issued by the President in his role as Commander in Chief. It does not apply to the Judicial Branch, you would need to find another source for that.

I don’t care to argue with someone who does not know what he is talking about and is clearly an adherent of some crazy conspiracy theory, so I bid you a very happy July 4th.


28 posted on 07/04/2013 10:00:09 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Pharmboy

Thank you for this. I plan to print them out and display them on my office walls.


29 posted on 07/04/2013 10:05:10 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Pharmboy

Thanks for later review


30 posted on 07/04/2013 10:09:21 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Pharmboy

My paternal ancestors came from Switzerland. Landed in Philadelphia on November 9, 1750. Came to York Township, York County, PA where Hans Sigrist received warrent rights to 50 acres of land. Around 1805 his when his name was entered into land records by the Recorder of Deeds his name was “English-ized” to “John Sechrist”. And the rest is history, as they say.


31 posted on 07/04/2013 10:13:59 AM PDT by Tucker39
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....received warrent rights to 50 acres of land....from the Penns.


32 posted on 07/04/2013 10:16:21 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: reed13

bfl


33 posted on 07/04/2013 10:27:49 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
BTW, I still think that is the most beautiful version of the Stars and Stripes.

I'm flying the Betsy Ross flag today. I think it's the most appropriate version for Independence Day and wish more people would display it.

34 posted on 07/04/2013 11:37:10 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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35 posted on 07/04/2013 1:59:23 PM PDT by Rodamala
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Thanks, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this one before.


36 posted on 07/04/2013 3:47:04 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Pharmboy; snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor; Valin; alfa6; Iris7; ...

Good morning ladies and gents. Flag-o-Ping.


37 posted on 07/04/2013 5:41:53 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (No one expects the Sephardic Invitation!)
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To: OldNewYork

Yep...new one on me too.


38 posted on 07/04/2013 6:00:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks for the ping

Happy 4th to you and the family

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


39 posted on 07/04/2013 6:12:56 PM PDT by alfa6
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mark


40 posted on 07/04/2013 11:15:36 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: centurion316
The source that you cite, applies ONLY to the military, as it was issued by the President in his role as Commander in Chief. It does not apply to the Judicial Branch, you would need to find another source for that.

Unfortunately, all district courts are admiralty courts, see the Judiciary Act of 1789 From the link you apparently didn't read:

John Adams talking on his state's Constitution:

"Next to revenue (taxes) itself, the late extensions of the jurisdiction of the admiralty are our greatest grievance. The American Courts of Admiralty seem to be forming by degrees into a system that is to overturn our Constitution and to deprive us of our best inheritance, the laws of the land. It would be thought in England a dangerous innovation if the trial, of any matter on land was given to the admiralty." -- Jackson v. Magnolia, 20 How. 296 315, 342 (U.S. 1852) That would not be such a problem as long as land and maritime courts were kept separate. Unfortunately, they are not: "It is only with the extent of powers possessed by the district courts, acting as instance courts of admiralty, we are dealing. The Act of 1789 gives the entire constitutional power to determine "all civil causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction," leaving the courts to ascertain its limits, as cases may arise." -- Waring ET AL,. v. Clarke, Howard 5 12 L. ed. 1847 That's a lot of discretion. Did it happen? Slowly... "This power is as extensive upon land as upon water. The Constitution makes no distinction in that respect. And if the admiralty jurisdiction, in matters of contract and tort which the courts of the United States may lawfully exercise on the high seas, can be extended to the lakes under the power to regulate commerce, it can with the same propriety and upon the same construction, be extended to contracts and torts on land when the commerce is between different States. And it may embrace also the vehicles and persons engaged in carrying it on (my note - remember what the law of the flag said when you receive benefits from the king.) It would be in the power of Congress to confer admiralty jurisdiction upon its courts, over the cars engaged in transporting passengers or merchandise from one State to another, and over the persons engaged in conducting them, and deny to the parties the trial by jury. Now the judicial power in cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, has never been supposed to extend to contracts made on land and to be executed on land. But if the power of regulating commerce can be made the foundation of jurisdiction in its courts, and a new and extended admiralty jurisdiction beyond its heretofore known and admitted limits, may be created on water under that authority, the same reason would justify the same exercise of power on land." -- Propeller Genessee Chief et al. v. Fitzhugh et al. 12 How. 443 (U.S. 1851)

And kept going...

"The idea prevails with some indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise."

"I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will be the result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism."

"It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution." -- Downes vs Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)

Then came the bankruptcy "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 63) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency." - Senate Report, Special Committee On The Termination Of The National Emergency United States Senate, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973

You say this only applies to military matters under the CIC. Unfortunately, pursuant to the continuing state of emergency that has existed since 1933, we are under martial law with the CIC as the appointed trustee and executor of the bankruptcy. It is at the discretion of the district judge as to which body of law applies, Admiralty or Constitutional. Hence the flag.

Hope you had a nice Independence Day.

41 posted on 07/05/2013 9:24:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Do you guys hold meetings?

What are the dues and is there a club jacket or a T Shirt?

How is this body of nit wits governed and who rules on disputes of interpretation of Admiralty Law and Martial Law?

Be careful what you say, they are watching you, you know.

Thanks for the laughs.


42 posted on 07/05/2013 9:37:31 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
How is this body of nit wits governed...

Apparently by money.

...and who rules on disputes of interpretation of Admiralty Law and Martial Law?

Federal judges.

Thanks for the laughs.

Thanks for an argument devoid of content.

43 posted on 07/05/2013 12:19:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I’m not arguing, I’m just thoroughly amused by the complete absurdity of the whole thing.

As such an expert on Admiralty Law, you must know that there is one very important exception to those who are subject to its jurisdiction. Under the Law of Sovereign Immunity, warships of our own and other sovereign nations are not subject to Admiralty Law. Admiralty Law only applies to civil matters. That could be why your argument and your movement have been laughed out of every courtroom where this silly nonsense has been mentioned.


44 posted on 07/05/2013 12:46:34 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Professional Engineer

wow. I miss those old foxhole days.


45 posted on 07/05/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: snippy_about_it

I was trying to remember the last flag-o-ping I did. Must of been 4 years or so. Yeeesh.


46 posted on 07/05/2013 6:18:41 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (No one expects the Sephardic Invitation!)
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