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Vanity: Civil War Sesquicentennial Alert (July 4): The Union Capture of Vicksburg
justiceseeker93 | July 4, 2013 | justiceseeker93

Posted on 07/04/2013 2:28:45 PM PDT by justiceseeker93

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Just a historical reminder this July 4 of the 150th anniversary of the Union capture of the Confederate fortress of Vicksburg, overlooking the Mississippi River. Seems as if it is getting little attention in the media, especially in comparison to Gettysburg. Vicksburg, nonetheless, was also a critical turning point in the Civil War, since it enabled the Union to control transportation on the Mississippi, effectively cutting the Confederacy in two. The fall of Vicksburg was the culmination of a siege of six weeks duration.
1 posted on 07/04/2013 2:28:46 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

These threads seem to disappear. Expect the “War of Northern Aggression” types to swarm here and turn it into a pissing match.


2 posted on 07/04/2013 2:31:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: justiceseeker93

I have always wondered what is was that caused God to decide that the north must win resulting in His taking Thomas Jackson home.


3 posted on 07/04/2013 2:33:08 PM PDT by SilverMine (ever member of congress should be horse whipped)
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To: justiceseeker93

BTTT


4 posted on 07/04/2013 2:33:50 PM PDT by ContraryMary (Barack Obama = Neville Chamberlain)
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To: justiceseeker93

In 1863 my ancestor with 24th Wisconsin fought at Stones River, Murfreesboro, TN and at Battle of Chickamauga in GA.


5 posted on 07/04/2013 2:48:07 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Homer_J_Simpson; F15Eagle; 2ndDivisionVet; unkus; celtic gal; dfwgator; ...
Ping!!!
6 posted on 07/04/2013 2:50:00 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: UB355
Heard of Murfreesboro and Chickamauga, but never Stones River. What state is Stones River in?
7 posted on 07/04/2013 2:52:19 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Check out both sides of this: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm114.html


8 posted on 07/04/2013 3:04:12 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: justiceseeker93

Supplies were so low that they printed the newspaper on wallpaper. God bless America.


9 posted on 07/04/2013 3:05:36 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: WKB; justiceseeker93
I live here. Today's front page of the Vicksburg Post.
Up until recently, this city didn't celebrate the 4th of July.



VICKSBURG'S DARKEST DAY

10 posted on 07/04/2013 3:07:54 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx
Oh, the The Link
11 posted on 07/04/2013 3:09:22 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: justiceseeker93
"Vicksburg, nonetheless, was also a critical turning point in the Civil War, since it enabled the Union to control transportation on the Mississippi, effectively cutting the Confederacy in two."

It also brought Grant to prominence. Love him or hate him, there's no arguing that was also a result of Vicksburg that changed the entire course of the war.

12 posted on 07/04/2013 3:10:41 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: justiceseeker93
The Federal Army tended to name battles after local landmarks and the Confederacy after the nearest town.

Examples include:
Bull Run and Manasses
Antietam and Sharpsburg
Stones River and 2nd Battle of Murfreesboro.

13 posted on 07/04/2013 3:13:41 PM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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To: justiceseeker93

It my be Store River. I have a reproduction of his dishcharge papers. They say Stone River Tenn(Murfreesboro) Dec 31-1862-Jan 1-2-1863


14 posted on 07/04/2013 3:25:36 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: UB355

Sorry, Stone River


15 posted on 07/04/2013 3:26:39 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: onyx

Thanks for the info and photo. I’m sure you folks there would remember. I’d also guess that you have an unusually high number of visitors there today.


16 posted on 07/04/2013 3:27:09 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

nice national battlefield park to drive through, there are several other battlefield sites in Mississippi too. Raymond Mississippi. Interesting time to be had in Vicksburg. Civil War No it was the War Between the States. Has been 17 years since I have been in Mississippi.


17 posted on 07/04/2013 3:27:49 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: justiceseeker93

Yes, loaded with visitors. I’m sorry I can’t link y’all to the story. I refuse to sign-up for all newspaper sites.


18 posted on 07/04/2013 3:31:58 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: justiceseeker93; onyx
This siege and battle does not get the attention that it deserves

The Battle of Vicksburg Summary & Facts | Civilwar.org May 18 - July 4, 1863

In May and June of 1863, Maj. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant’s armies converged on Vicksburg, investing the city and entrapping a Confederate army under Lt. Gen. John Pemberton. On July 4, Vicksburg surrendered after prolonged siege operations. This was the culmination of one of the most brilliant military campaigns of the war. With the loss of Pemberton’s army and this vital stronghold on the Mississippi, the Confederacy was effectively split in half. Grant's successes in the West boosted his reputation, leading ultimately to his appointment as General-in-Chief of the Union armies.

19 posted on 07/04/2013 3:38:45 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: RedMDer; justiceseeker93

This town is loaded with history.
My house is historical.
Trees, plaques, statues, brick and stone roads everywhere.
It’s actually very lovely.
The Military Park is something to treasure and behold.


20 posted on 07/04/2013 3:43:45 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: KingLudd

Vicksburg should never have fallen.Pemberton should never have allowed Grant to sneak up on him, and that idiot Jefferson Davis should have sent support to prevent it. Yes, I know, many troops were busy in the East, but Vicksburg was a vital position. In my opinion, Pemberton lacked the will to stop the assault. Had he had the troops sent to encounter Grant as he crossed the Mississippi below Vicksburg, Grant would have been a sitting duck. Of course, it is always easy to be a back seat commander. If Joe Johnson had been in command, I think the results would have been different, but Davis disliked Johnson. As soon as Pemberton saw the gunboats passing by his fortifications, he should have taken the troops in the city and sent them south to encounter Grant as he crossed the river.


21 posted on 07/04/2013 3:47:12 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: hondact200
We used to skip school and drive over to that park, the display of the USS Cairo provided a nice shelter on rainy winter days.


22 posted on 07/04/2013 3:52:40 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: justiceseeker93

During the Siege of Vicksburg, resident Emma Balfour kept a diary…"What is to become of all the living things in this place when the boats begin shelling – God only knows. Shut up as in a trap, no ingress or egress – and thousands of women and children who have fled here for safety…”

...As she wrote in her diary... “The general impression is that they fire at the city…thinking that they will wear out the women and children and sick, and Gen. Pemberton will be forced to surrender the place on that account...”

... [T]he civilians trapped in Vicksburg were learning firsthand the horrors of war. The men, women, and children, both black and white, were exposed to the same hail of bullets and shell fragments as the soldiers, only they did not have the consolation of fighting back against their tormentors. They literally had to face incoming fire from all directions – Union artillery shells from the siege lines outside the city often skimmed over the Confederate earthworks and slammed into the city. The Union navy also fired thousands of rounds of artillery into Vicksburg from the Mississippi River.

Source: http://mississippiconfederates.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/civilians-during-the-siege-of-vicksburg/

23 posted on 07/04/2013 3:53:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: justiceseeker93; WXRGina; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; ...

Ping


24 posted on 07/04/2013 4:11:26 PM PDT by WKB
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To: justiceseeker93

What excuse will Vicksburg come up with to not have fireworks this year? They took it personally when Grant laid siege.


25 posted on 07/04/2013 4:15:01 PM PDT by stboz
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To: onyx
This town is loaded with history.

Cool. We love history. We should come calling.... Do you have A/C? :)

26 posted on 07/04/2013 4:23:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: onyx

Last time I was there and went to the military park , I bought this book by a woman who wrote a diary during the siege about living in caves that were dug in the hills around Vicksburg. Very interesting reading!


27 posted on 07/04/2013 4:26:16 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: RedMDer

Separate A/C units upstairs and downstairs.
Come on down!


28 posted on 07/04/2013 4:32:51 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: penelopesire

Several of those caves are still visible.
See you tomorry?


29 posted on 07/04/2013 4:33:29 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: stboz

We’re heading down to the River in an hour.
Fireworks at 9:00PM.
We like to sit in front of the Water Park by the railroad tracks.


30 posted on 07/04/2013 4:35:31 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: WKB

WOO-HOO!
Thank you so much.
Happy Independence Day!


31 posted on 07/04/2013 4:36:29 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: jonascord
The Federal Army tended to name battles after local landmarks and the Confederacy after the nearest town.

Another for your list:

Sabine Crossroads and Mansfield (La.)

32 posted on 07/04/2013 4:39:23 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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To: onyx

A few buddies and I drove over to Vicksburg last fall. During the trip we went down to Lorman and had fried chicken at Arthur Davis’s place. Good stuff!


33 posted on 07/04/2013 4:42:11 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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To: onyx

I am having a pain episode tonight, so it may be Saturday. Would that be ok? I am hoping it doesn’t get worse, but if it does, I may be at the emergency room by end of night. Just laying down reading now hoping it settles down.

I would love to see the caves that are visible still. Might have to do a drive by...lol.


34 posted on 07/04/2013 4:43:45 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Texas Mulerider

Shiloh and Pittsburg Landing is another.


35 posted on 07/04/2013 5:23:04 PM PDT by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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Last evening hubby and I attended a service, REMEMBERING GETTYSBURG at a small country, church that is from the Civil War era..it is 152 years old church still with original pews, and wavy glass in the original windows..it served as a school, church and now is a church for special events only..located in Somerset, County Pennsylvania...small community of Markleton...

directly across the road is a small beautiful, peaceful cemetery, Mt. Union Cemetery, lovingly cared for by a small group of people...this is a cemetery of the Civil War era also...my husband and I both will be buried there one day...there is a wonderful website...Mt union.com

last evening’s program was very moving, as people portrayed individuals from that date and gave moving stories of how they died for their country...


36 posted on 07/04/2013 5:55:00 PM PDT by haircutter (,,,)
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website is Mt.UnionChurch.com.
(on Turkeyfoot Trail)

church was recently professionally painted, so it is more than beautiful..we even have a
CATS MEOW MINIATURE..Just recently available.

if you have time..its a nice site to visit..truly country, from an era gone by but not forgotten here in Somerset County, PA.


37 posted on 07/04/2013 6:07:05 PM PDT by haircutter (,,,)
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To: justiceseeker93
...a critical turning point in the Civil War, since it enabled the Union to control transportation on the Mississippi, effectively cutting the Confederacy in two. The fall of Vicksburg was the culmination of a siege of six weeks duration.

It was much more important as another event that allowed Lincoln to discover US Grant. IMO Grant was the most important man to ever put on a uniform for the United States. He was also the greatest general this country ever produced.

38 posted on 07/04/2013 6:14:21 PM PDT by stevem
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It was much more important as another event that allowed Lincoln to discover US Grant.

I'm not sure that Lincoln wouldn't have heard about Grant before Vicksburg. He had commanded Union troops in quite a number of victorious earlier battles through Kentucky and Tennessee, including Shiloh, and was the commander, IIRC, of just about all Union troops in what was then called the western theater.

And I believe that Grant didn't get command of the Grand Army of the Potomac (eastern sector) until about a year after Vicksburg. IIRC, after Vicksburg, Grant joined up with Sherman in the Union campaigns eastward through the Confederacy.

[Grant] was also the greatest general this country ever produced.

That's one opinion, but there are a number of others who could be considered. I'm not knowledgeable enough on the issue to be of much help there.

39 posted on 07/04/2013 7:00:23 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
He had commanded Union troops in quite a number of victorious earlier battles through Kentucky and Tennessee, including Shiloh, and was the commander, IIRC, of just about all Union troops in what was then called the western theater.

And I believe that Grant didn't get command of the Grand Army of the Potomac (eastern sector) until about a year after Vicksburg. IIRC, after Vicksburg, Grant joined up with Sherman in the Union campaigns eastward through the Confederacy.

Indeed, he won several earlier battles major and minor. He made a name for himself while his jealous boss tried to open a trap door under him.

He dodged a bullet...literally...at Shiloh. (So did Sherman and how different our world would look if Grant and Sherman were both killed at Shiloh.) Sherman let Grant know at least as early as Fort Henry that he wanted to be on Grant's team. At Shiloh they formed a partnership that moved forward to save the nation.

At Vicksburg Grant swallowed one of the three Confederate armies he devoured in that war.

He went on to win major victories in Tennessee before he was finally promoted to his rightful spot.

Take Grant away and the North would have been routed at Shiloh and would not have taken Vicksburg to this day. The Union had extremely capable generals as Sherman matured to become. None but Grant had the temperament to tie it all together. Sherman at his most competent could never have survived personality clashes in DC without Grant providing the needed cushion.

Lincoln "discovered" Grant, for real, probably at Shiloh. Even then a very jealous Halleck tried to cashier him. Then an extremely clear eyed Lincoln promoted Halleck to get him out of the way.

Grant was one of those right men God places on Earth in the right place at the right time with the right platform so the Good Guys (The United States) has an outside chance to survive for later important work. If God is listening, we need someone like him today.

40 posted on 07/04/2013 7:44:03 PM PDT by stevem
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To: logitech

Vicksburg Civil War PING!


41 posted on 07/04/2013 8:35:08 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Ok folks, was this the turning point in the Civil War or was Gettysburg ? I do believe the South never recoved from the battle of Gettysburg.
42 posted on 07/04/2013 9:03:47 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: justiceseeker93

The lose of Thomas “ Stonewall “ Jackson at Chancellorsville was the beginning of the end for General Lee.


43 posted on 07/04/2013 9:07:39 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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If God decides who wins wars maybe you wanna tell me why he thought North Vietman should win.

The far logistically inferior South never had a chance to win unless they could convince Europe to stick their nose in an help them or unless the North lost it’s political will and some pansy peace democrat got elected President in 1864.

And Jackson was “called home” because some jittery moron on his own side couldn’t keep his finger off the trigger. “It’s a damned Yankee trick! Fire!” I hope that idiot was shot for incompetence. Guns are for responsible people only.


44 posted on 07/04/2013 9:14:09 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: DManA; BillyBoy

You must be a “damn Yankee” like me.

You see we “don’t get it” because “Yankee Schools” “fed us lies” about the sainted Confederate “patriots”.


45 posted on 07/04/2013 9:15:22 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: stevem
Lincoln "discovered" Grant, for real, probably at Shiloh.

Grant first got Lincoln's attention with his Paducah Proclamation.

Even then a very jealous Halleck tried to cashier him.

Yes, and without Lincoln's favor, Grant probably would have quit after Shiloh. Lincoln's quote about Grant was, "I can't spare this man, he fights."

Grant finished in the middle of his West Point class, and was a Quarter Master during his first stint in the army. When the Civil War broke out he was a clerk in father's store, and was turned down for multiple commissions. When he finally got one he was given a very difficult group of men to command.

He dodged a bullet...literally...at Shiloh.

He came within inches of having his head blown off a couple of times at Belmont.

Anyway. I'm a big fan of Grant since reading his memoirs some years ago which I recommend. While being very talented in many areas, he had close to zero ambition. He went from being a nobody to the most famous man in the world within the span of a few years.

46 posted on 07/04/2013 9:47:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Driving from Memphis to Houston around 1995 on July 4 , went through Vicksburg at sunrise.I took the exit to go through that Civil War park. I didn't realize the significance of the date until reading the signs in the park. Beautiful place to view the Mississippi River
47 posted on 07/05/2013 1:45:30 AM PDT by Figment
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To: Moonman62
Anyway. I'm a big fan of Grant since reading his memoirs some years ago which I recommend.

Personal memoirs usually bore the bejeebers out of people. Grant's captures the reader like a fine novel.

48 posted on 07/05/2013 4:10:33 AM PDT by stevem
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To: NotTallTex

Actually General Joseph Johnson was in Command. President Davis had named him the Western theater commander. Johnson had 6,000 men at Jackson MS, when Grant attacked the city with two corps. Johnson withdrew and ordered Pemberton to try and join up with him. Pemberton army losing the battles of Champion Hill and Black River bridge to Grant, withdrew toward Vicksburg. President Davis told Pemberton that defending Vicksburg was to be his primary mission. Pemberton, caught between Johnson (his immediate commander) and Davis followed Davis’s orders and fell back to Vicksburg.


49 posted on 07/05/2013 4:17:26 AM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: justiceseeker93

Actually Grant never commanded the Army of the Potomac. General Meade remained in command of the AOP until the war was over. In March of 1864 Grant was promoted to Lieutenant General and given command over all of the armies of the United States. Because of its importance, Grant chose to make his headquarters close to the Army of the Potomac for the Spring campaign in 1864. Because of his proximity to that army, some folks believed he commanded it but the command remained with Meade.


50 posted on 07/05/2013 6:35:57 AM PDT by X Fretensis
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