Skip to comments.Aviation Expert Tells KCAL9 ‘Pilot Error’ Might Be Cause Of Deadly Plane Crash
Posted on 07/07/2013 1:20:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin
CAMARILLO (CBSLA.com) Investigators were immediately dispatched to San Francisco to try to determine what caused the crash of Asiana flight 214.
KCAL9′s Cristy Fajardo spoke to one of the nations leading aviation experts for insight into the crash.
Fajardo spoke to pilot and author Barry Schiff and asked his opinion on what might be the likely cause, or causes, of the deadly accident.
To the average person, the runway is now filled with pieces of twisted and burned metal. To Schiff, he sees pieces of a puzzle. He listened to numerous witness accounts and looked at images of the twisted wreckage.
Schiff believes he already has a bead on what went wrong. In all probability, he says, this is a classic case of pilot error.
He believes the pilot knew the landing wasnt feeling right.
The pilot undoubtedly knew and recognized he was too low and he was going too slow and he tried to correct at the last minute but the corrective action he took was too late and too late, says Schiff.
The pilot was landing in clear skies. The airports Instrument Landing System was reportedly down and he also believes this was a factor.
Pilots have to make whats called a visual approach, they have to look at the runway and judge their descent and land accordingly. Thats what people were doing all day long today. But these pilots did not do it properly. They landed short.
On a clear day, a visual approach should not have been a problem especially for an experienced pilot, said Schiff.
Schiff says pilots rely too much on using the instrument landing system.
Pilots have become accustomed over the years to using the instrument landing system, and pilots are developing what is called Automation Complacency, says Schiff, They arent as good in some cases at making manual landings, compared to the automated kind and this might be that case.
Schiff wants to emphasize that he is making educated guesses and says, in time, we will know exactly what actually happened.
The National Transportation Safety Board will comb through all the wreckage and evidence, study the black box recordings before making a final determination as to the cause and Schiff says that is the way it should be.
And he is right, it MAY be pilot error. It MAY also be hardware or systems error.
Oh there’s the newsflash of the Century. :-)
On the info available right now, I suspect that the pilot came in too low/short, recognized his problem, started a go-around with nose up, full power. The aircraft rotated about its center of gravity, sending the tail downward, to contact the sea-wall/berm.
Thanks for posting this article. Following the author’s example, it is too soon to pinpoint the reason for the crash. The information is still incoming.
Here is video just released of the plane crash occurring
This chart is very interesting: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2357502-1AB1F276000005DC-926_964x613.jpg
Tip of the hat to Nuconvert for posting the article from which this came.
Speculation is almost as brilliant as ASSumption!
Oh, my God... those two little girls.
And it “might” have been something else.
Actually, THAT is the only way that the tail could make contact, and break off precisely where it did.
Even with the NOSE UP during NORMAL landing , the underbelly of the tail is parallel and above the groundline.
Here's a takeoff photo showing an angle that would cause tail impact, were it that 'high' (angle of attack) during landing.
Notice where tail is torn.
Wow, I heard people disregarding an eyewitness that reported the airplane cartwheeled, but it looks like there was definitely a post impact vertical component. That is amazing more people weren’t killed.
It came close to flipping over.
You should post that as its own thread on NewsActivism.
For example, take the GPS navigator out of the car of anybody who is under 30 and watch the results as they attempt to get around. It will be comical.
Its amazing after seeing that, that only 2 people died..and I feel horrible for those two little girls who were coming here to LA to attend a summer camp, they were probably thrown out of the plane on impact. From the looks of it it looks like pilot error, which was the theory from the beginning. He went too low to the ground, realized his mistake and was trying to push the plane back up but the tail hit the runway causing it to skid
SEE LINK IN post #6.
Thank you Sarah. I’d say that those who survived this crash were very, very lucky. The witnesses who said it cartwheeled were correct. That there were only two deaths seems a miracle.
I dont know how to post a thread, if you could post the video I would really appreciate it. Someone posted this video linked up to CNN
She is speaking to everyone like they are special needs 1st graders.
I swear, what is it with democrats and talking to us like we are stupid children?
She's a fool, and talks to everyone like they are fools.
From what I can gather it sounds like their approach speed was to low and either it stalled, or the crew attempted to go full throtle and pull up, which lead to a stall.
I can see why witnesses said cartwheel now.
BTW, Hersman is a registered rat. I figured that's why she is speaking to everyone like they are all stupid. It just gets on my nerves, that's all.
Check out her profile on Wikipedia.
For some reason the CNN video doesn’t play for me. Here’s the video on youtube
Classic situational awareness issues, along with the Asian Never-question-the-captain thing, I now believe.
If you can’t land an aircraft without electronic aids under almost perfect conditions, on a straight-in approach, with no wind issues, you don’t belong in the cockpit.
Something distracted the crew. IMHO, they’ll find they were buried in the tech, (it has happened before) and didn’t notice the problem until it was too late.
You can fix a lot of things, but you just can’t fix the human issues.
They also have the PAPI lights. I know the pilots are busy in the cockpit, but I wonder if they paid any attention to them? An accident is not usually caused by one thing, but by a whole chain of events.
PAPI was also out according to several reports
yeah at first I never believed that it cartwheeled but now I see why many believed that it did..basically from that press conference that the pilot was a moron, this was pilot error, he wanted increased speed even though he was so low to the ground
Maybe she is going slow for people who don’t speak English as their first language?
It that’s no the reason, then it is just plain insulting.
If you have ever seen video of the United 232 crash, it also appears to cartwheel, but that was just part of the plane that broke off the fuselage.
Ping to actual crash footage:
I see. I did not know that. I was an air traffic controller for 20 years, so I saw my share of aircraft on final. We had VASI lights, but they are not much different from PAPI. I would not be surprised to see the FAA require that either VASI/PAPI or ILS glide slope be operational at all times. We shall see. Thanks for the info.
watchin the fireman’s procession home
The fuselage stayed mostly intact, though I have no idea how. That saved HUNDREDS of lives.
A case of premature de-elevation.
Just gut-wrenching. RIP, ‘HotShots’...
This looks it's going to be a lot like the Costa Concordia in Italy -
The captain was sightseeing right before the incident.
That was just amazing, considering the initial and secondary impacts. I posted on yesterday’ crash thread, several witnesses decribing “cartwheeling’, and now I see it! So lucky it didn’t flip-over and disintegrate/explode completely, on secondary impact.
God was truly on-scene...
"The fuselage stayed mostly intact, though I have no idea how. That saved HUNDREDS of lives."
Yeah, she skimmed the water a bit it seems.
That thought occurred to me as well. I imagine the cockpit recorder might answer the question,
Excuse me if this is a silly question, but didn't the flight crew survive? Has anyone asked them what happened?
They are probably answering lots of questions right now.
I swear, what is it with democrats and talking to us like we are stupid children?
That level is probably appropriate for speaking to the press, (D) or (R)...
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