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San Francisco 777 Crash: Why Did So Many Passengers Evacuate With Bags?
forbes ^ | 7/07/2013 @ 10:19PM

Posted on 07/08/2013 7:55:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin

When seconds can mean the difference between life and death in escaping an aircraft accident, it was startling to see so many photographs from the crash of Asiana Flight 214 at San Francisco International Airport of people carrying out bags, including roll aboards that must have come out of the overhead luggage bins. At least one man interviewed in the New York Times indicated that he grabbed his bags and then his child. In that order. All I can say is that it was very fortunate that the fire was slow to spread.

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Glad I'm not the only one to have this question.
1 posted on 07/08/2013 7:55:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Selfish me me me attitudes or they had no idea how bad it was i know i could they not know


2 posted on 07/08/2013 7:57:12 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: BenLurkin

Just a guess.....you couldn’t evacuate but so quickly anyway...you’re crammed into the aisle...not moving...why not grab your bag - especially if it contains a laptop with key info, etc. Again, just a theory...I was not there and thank God have never been in that situation.


3 posted on 07/08/2013 7:57:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: BenLurkin

If there is time to grab your bag, you grab your bag

I dont see why anyone is making it an issue


4 posted on 07/08/2013 7:58:46 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Somewhere I heard that you are not supposed to do that. I think it was in one of those pre-flight safety briefings.


5 posted on 07/08/2013 7:58:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Asian culture related?

Don’t know.


6 posted on 07/08/2013 7:59:25 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: BenLurkin

Factor into this, the fact that it takes a number of people a fair amount of time to get out the exits. While waiting, the natural response based upon exiting a plane dozens of times is to stand up and grab your bag.

To try and get people to leave their bags is counter to the training that they have received and acted upon dozens to hundreds of times on prior flights.


7 posted on 07/08/2013 7:59:31 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: BenLurkin

People do weird things in life or death stress situations. Especially if its their first time in such a situation. Don’t expect anyone to act rationally in times like that.


8 posted on 07/08/2013 8:00:10 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Mr. K

Somewhere I thought I heard that airliners need to be evacuated in 90 seconds. That way everybody has a chance to get out before deadly smoke fills the cabin.


9 posted on 07/08/2013 8:00:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Sounds reasonable to me. You can't move until the people in front of you move. If they're not moving...
10 posted on 07/08/2013 8:00:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (This is a sarcasm tag for the retards unable to recognize sarcasm.)
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To: BenLurkin
Or...they looked around themselves as they were waiting in line to go out the escape slide, saw that the fire either had not started yet or was slow to spread, and simply pulled their bag out of the overhead bin as they passed by...probably figuring they the luggage would either be destroyed or never be seen again.

That's all I can figure.

If it was an orderly evacuation, that took a few minutes for people to proceed in line to go down the slides, I bet that is probably what happened.

11 posted on 07/08/2013 8:00:59 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: taxcontrol

The fact that people had time to grab a bag is either a symptom of a slow evacuation or some people thought the risk or grabbing their bag was worth it, even if it harmed them and others.


12 posted on 07/08/2013 8:01:33 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: BenLurkin

Looking at the picture from inside the cabin, the overhead bins may have popped open on impact and spilled their carryons.


13 posted on 07/08/2013 8:05:25 AM PDT by red-dawg
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To: Mr. K

I would grab my bag, too. I definitely don’t carry anything of value in luggage because you can replace clothes. But the personal and carry-on with your passport, etc., those are hard to replace and a hassle. It’s become natural and instinctive to protect your hand-carry. However, if the choice truly comes down to it, I’m prepared to lose the hand-carry.


14 posted on 07/08/2013 8:05:32 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Mr. K

> If there is time to grab your bag, you grab your bag

> I dont see why anyone is making it an issue

I tend to agree. While you are standing there in the queue, you get your bag. The plane is not on fire at this point. You are safe on the ground at this point.

Also... on a slightly different topic....

Which is worse? .... a crash landing and evacuating the plane in a crowded queue via the sliding board ramp thingy, or a normal TSA security checkpoint? Both carrying baggage?


15 posted on 07/08/2013 8:06:49 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: All
Yeah, the passengers are the true villains. < /sarc >
16 posted on 07/08/2013 8:07:00 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: BenLurkin

because they are conditioned sheep?


17 posted on 07/08/2013 8:07:52 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Hulka

I’ve read ancient Asian texts that tell you to grab your bags before leaving a crashed aircraft, so you are probably correct. It’s in the I Ching.


18 posted on 07/08/2013 8:07:55 AM PDT by mindburglar (It must be noon, because I'm drunk somewhere.)
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To: BenLurkin
Were they grabbing their under seat luggage or did they take time to pop open the overhead bin and search through it for their luggage? I might be tempted to grab the bag under my seat on the way out, by reflex if nothing else. I would never waste time digging through the overhead.
19 posted on 07/08/2013 8:07:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: BenLurkin

When I traveled my carry on contained everything I needed to do my job as well as a change of clothes. I’m still not sure I’d grab it but I guess if I had the time why not.


20 posted on 07/08/2013 8:08:12 AM PDT by KirbDog
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To: BenLurkin
I read several reports that said that during the Katrina rescue operation it was common for people to insist on taking their pets with them in the lifeboats that came for them and that many refused to get in without the pets.It was said (by rescuers,IIRC) that many people couldn't be rescued because pets took up the room that people could have used.

Stupid ain't the word for that...or this.

21 posted on 07/08/2013 8:08:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Hulka

“Asian culture related?”

Save the cameras...


22 posted on 07/08/2013 8:10:18 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!)
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To: Theoria

Part of the slow evacuation (and daily slow exiting) comes from the fact that the airlines have significantly reduced the space between the seats. I am of the opinion that for safety reasons, there needs to be at least 12” between the front of one seat and the back of the seat in front of it.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 8:15:12 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Right. But the reason the people in back are not moving is because people in front are opening up the overhead bins and grabbing their bags. This is typical of the flight culture today. Me first. Let me cram as much stuff in my enormous suitcase and shove it in the overhead because I sure don’t want the hastle of checking my bag. And damn right I am going to retrieve my precious bag of clothes in a crash. Screw those people in back - let em roast. It’s like the scene in the Focker movie. People are nuts about their stupid bags.


24 posted on 07/08/2013 8:16:30 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Hulka

Did anyone grab a live chicken?


25 posted on 07/08/2013 8:16:56 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: plain talk

I just heard about a passenger in the back saying she grabbed her bags and went out the hole in the back.


26 posted on 07/08/2013 8:18:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Korean airlines...cats.


27 posted on 07/08/2013 8:18:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: BenLurkin

You play like you practice. Have these passengers ever practiced an emergency evacuation where they are taught to NOT take their bag? No. Have they practiced normal evacuations (i.e. normal exiting of planes) where they DO take their bags. Yes.

If you want this not to happen you’d have to train people do behave in a particular way it seems to me. And I don’t see a practical way to accomplish this.


28 posted on 07/08/2013 8:19:09 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: BenLurkin

This has been common in air disasters. People operate unthinking on automatic. When they get up they’re trained to pick up their baggage. I only recall one stewardess addressing this in her safety speech.

This is why I always try to sit in the exit row. In essence, people are unthinking automatons.


29 posted on 07/08/2013 8:21:43 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: red-dawg

“Looking at the picture from inside the cabin, the overhead bins may have popped open on impact and spilled their carryons.”

This sounds like a pretty logical thought. If the bags fell out of the bins you might have needed to pick them up anyhow to unblock the aisle. Instead of placing them in the seats it might have been easier to evacuate the plane by holding on to them as you left the plane instead of maybe re-blocking the aisle.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 8:25:10 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Did anyone grab a live chicken?

I saw a live goat while sitting in the transit lounge at Cairo Airport about 30 years ago.With God as my judge!

31 posted on 07/08/2013 8:26:25 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Mr. K
If there is time to grab your bag, you grab your bag
I dont see why anyone is making it an issue.

Ditto. If I have time to grab my bag, I'll grab my bag.

32 posted on 07/08/2013 8:27:42 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: BenLurkin

And they were probably staring at their cell phones as they slid down the emergency exit ramp.


33 posted on 07/08/2013 8:29:36 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: al baby

Before you condemn these people, why don’t you question the accuracy of the reporting? It’s the New York Times. Their Sunday Corrections column is bigger than the magazine section.


34 posted on 07/08/2013 8:29:46 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: BenLurkin

Who knows how any one would react in an emergency? Besides that, isn’t it possible the bags got tossed into the aisles in an emergency landing?


35 posted on 07/08/2013 8:30:59 AM PDT by grania
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To: BenLurkin

Everybody doesn’t exit immediately - there’s a queue, and I’d probably grab my bag, too, if I had a chance to without delaying the evacuation.


36 posted on 07/08/2013 8:31:22 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: BenLurkin

On the same line of thinking, how many of those passengers took a little longer doing something—getting out of their seats, moving through the cabins, sliding down the ramps or otherwise exiting the planes, or even evacuating the area afterwards because they were texting, talking, or videoing something on their phones?


37 posted on 07/08/2013 8:31:44 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Given the hard landing, I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the overhead bins popped open and scattered bags into the aisles and on top of the people sitting in aisle seats. In fact, evacuation tests are done with bags scattered in the aisle. Why not take the bag in your lap or lying in the aisle with you with you? Are we going to make this a federal crime, too?


38 posted on 07/08/2013 8:32:53 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: BenLurkin

If I were the King of Airlines carry on luggage would be banned.


39 posted on 07/08/2013 8:34:45 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Lou L

The best way to fundamentally change this is by means of drills - like fire drills, cruise ship “muster” drills and the like. No individual airline could ever do this because they don’t have the time and also it would send the wrong message.

What *could* be done would be a mandatory “flyers ed” course (by analogy) with drivers ed - where you practice evac procedures on a mock up plane in order to be permitted to fly. Which sounds like incredibly “nanny state” but from a purely practical standpoint *could* save a life or two over time.


40 posted on 07/08/2013 8:35:04 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: BenLurkin

On US domestic flights, I have seen passengers to avoid the checked bag fees bring everything short of steamer trunks as carry on bags... some so heavy they have to get help to cram them into the overhead bins. I have yet to see any airline strictly enforce the carry on bag size rules. I have often thought that in a crash or even severe turbulence these bags could become lethal missiles. It is a miracle that more people weren’t killed in this crash especially if some nitwits were struggling to evacuate with their carry on bags.


41 posted on 07/08/2013 8:36:33 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: plain talk

And to use this opportunity to rant —

Airlines charge for checked bags, and lose them. And the TSA always wanting in your panties and bags ....

So people carry on instead. No Brainer.

Then there is a safety issue of these bags all over during passenger loading and unloading. And the ‘cabin door’ checking, where they take larger carry ons and put them some where. But they are stacked by the passenger entry door (with wheel chairs and baby strollers, etc.) to plug up things during loading and unloading.

Meanwhile, some ‘smart, seasoned’ travellers stash their carryon (carry on, not carrion) in the overhead up near the front, as they proceed to their seat in the back. This is very convenient for them, but a PITA for all else.

I consider this a recipe for disaster, caused by greedy airlines.

With this mindset of ‘protect your stuff’, and the ‘prepare for landing’ stress to get out of the plane — I would predict that people are thinking that Number 1 priority = get my bag!

So taking their bags is to be expected.

Not smart, not safe, but expected given the circumstances.


42 posted on 07/08/2013 8:38:42 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: BenLurkin

Is this deliberately intended to be a stupid question?

The bags were in the aisle, and had to be carried out to speed the exit from the plane.

Even the food from the pantry was in the aisle.


43 posted on 07/08/2013 8:39:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: The Great RJ

On US domestic flights, I have seen passengers to avoid the checked bag fees bring everything short of steamer trunks as carry on bags


Funny. And true.


44 posted on 07/08/2013 8:40:55 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Mr. K

>> “I dont see why anyone is making it an issue” <<

.
Because the world’s average IQ is headed down the same steep, slippery slope as freedom!


45 posted on 07/08/2013 8:41:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Steve_Seattle
"And they were probably staring at their cell phones as they slid down the emergency exit ramp."

LOL! I think I heard that the Caucasians slid faster than the Koreans did. /s

What shocked me was hearing about the girl who survived the plane crash, only to be struck and killed by an emergency vehicle. Must have been the smoky runways, mixed with urgency to get to aircraft.

46 posted on 07/08/2013 8:42:01 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Mr. K

Grabbing your bag is a bad idea - you may believe there is time or that it won’t get in the way - Seriously stupid to worry about your bag in a crash - why - one word - JET FUEL


47 posted on 07/08/2013 8:42:21 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Personal Responsibility

Would it be “rational” to leave the bags in the way?


48 posted on 07/08/2013 8:42:49 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BenLurkin

They didn’t want to leave their wives behind!


49 posted on 07/08/2013 8:43:14 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: al baby

I think they may not have known. The stewardess said the fire did not start until everyone left.


50 posted on 07/08/2013 8:44:07 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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