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To: Strategerist; bigdaddy45
This, and other similar sorts of unconstitutional behavior, most definitely trancend politics. However, as you mentioned Strategerist, people on either side will give things a free-pass as long as it is the other side that is affected. Or, to give it a more macro feel and apply it to the presidency, most Liberals will give a Democrat president a free pass that they would never have given to a Republican, and most Conservatives will give a Republican president a free pass that they would never have given to a Democrat.

Case in point?

Exhibit A: President Obama has killed far more people using Predator and Reaper drones than President Bush ever did. In his FIRST TERM, Obama authorized over SIX TIMES as many drone strikes as Bush did over TWO terms. Apologies for the capitalizations, but that is truly amazing. Yet, the same Liberals who were protesting Bush's 'murder by drones' are largely quiet over Obama's.

Exhibit B: Remember the Patriot Act? Imagine the furor on the Right had it been created under Obama. 'nuff said.

The thing is that the attrition of freedoms and rights, and what makes America America, has little to do with Right or Left. Those are just delivery vehicles for ideologies from Republicans and Democrats, one of which can be bad for the country and the other being far worse for the country faster. There is a difference between being a Republican and a Conservative, and being a Democrat and a Liberal. Nowadays both main parties are just altered versions of each other the difference between a Jaguar and a Leopard. Different species, different types of spots, and the jaguar is somewhat larger than the leopard, but both will easily kill you and eat you, and for the matter the leopard has killed more people!

The country has been on a slippery slope for quite some time. Again, compare the average Democrat from the late 1970s to the average Republican today. The 1979 Democrat would be far more conservative in a number of areas than the current Republican.

There are many things Conservatives and Liberals can hit each other on - very many - but they shouldn't forget about the greatness of the country that enables them to do so, and they should both be against certain things. Be it cops feeling they can have B-movie actors drive armored vehicles into living rooms, or presidents passing decrees that are patently unconstitutional.

12 posted on 07/09/2013 6:54:16 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz; All

The conservatives in this country simply do not have the media to “create a furor”.

Nough said.

19 posted on 07/09/2013 7:38:50 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: spetznaz
I hate big government no matter which innocent citizens big government is targeting at the moment. Twelve years ago on this site, I argued that parts of the Patriot Act gave too much power to the government:

To: Registered

Keep in mind that the new law’s definition of “domestic terrorism” is so broad, as we shall see in future columns, that entirely innocent people can be swept into this surveillance dragnet.

President Hillary would like to know which of you have friends in the NRA, or the pro-life movement, so your communications can be monitored by the CIA, for the children.

I guess we’re all OK with Echelon, Know Your Customer, and National ID cards now as well. If you have nothing to hide...

This Patriot Act stinks to high heaven. If you don’t think this will eventually (if not currently) be used to stifle political dissent in this country, you are mistaken.

15 posted on 11/28/2001 7:05:56 AM by dead

23 posted on 07/09/2013 8:19:15 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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