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Microsoft Is Down 8.6% As The World Realizes The Windows Business Has Collapsed
Business Insider ^ | 07/19/2013 | Jay Yarow

Posted on 07/19/2013 7:38:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Microsoft is down 8.6% this morning. The stock has been doing worse and worse since the company released earnings. Initial reaction to the release sent the stock down 2.5%. Then it was 5%, then 6% ... and now it's down over 8%.

Microsoft's Windows business is finally feeling the effect of the collapse of the PC industry, and the failure of Windows 8 to slow the iPad.

The Windows division's operating income was down 55% on a year-over-year basis, which dragged down the company's EPS. It also took a $900 million charge on the Surface RT, its iPad-wannabe tablet.

After posting earnings, Microsoft CFO Amy Hood told Dina Bass at Bloomberg, "it will take a long time" for Microsoft to make enough off tablets to erase the losses in the traditional PC market.

Microsoft's enterprise businesses remain strong, but that's not enough to keep investors happy.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: microsoft; msn; windows
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1 posted on 07/19/2013 7:38:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I know a lot of people are quite furious at Microsoft for working with NSA and DOJ on spying on Americans. I will never buy another Microsoft product because of that. I hope they take that into account because I know they’ve lost at least one customer because of it.


2 posted on 07/19/2013 7:40:42 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: SeekAndFind

OH no! Bill Gates is now only worth $64 billion! Now he is going to have to sell the boat.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 7:40:47 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am, right now, sitting in a building with thousands of people at computer workstations. All of them use Windows 7 and IE 9.

I’m no fan of Windows, per se, but it is not going away any time soon. Not even close.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 7:41:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

He may actually reach that point in time where it is worth the time and back wear to pick up a thousand dollar bill on the sidewalk.


5 posted on 07/19/2013 7:42:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

They still have tons of cash, expect them to start looking for companies to buy out.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 7:43:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

...expect them to start looking for companies to buy out.


Has that not been their MO since day one?

;-)


7 posted on 07/19/2013 7:45:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

computers these days are so good ,you can go 5 + years without an upgrade


8 posted on 07/19/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by molson209
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To: BCR #226

RE: I will never buy another Microsoft product because of that.

I gather you’ll refuse to buy another Google, Apple, Verizon or AT&T product as well?


9 posted on 07/19/2013 7:46:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 certainly didn’t help. It is awful. I can’t imagine trying to upgrade a medium to large sized office enviroment to this version. The staff would revolt having to relearn everything they’ve figured out about Windows over the years. Major fail.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 7:47:24 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

I am so glad! I used Microsoft products for years and always was frustrated with all the virus’ and other maladies. I purchased an Apple MacBook in 2008 and never looked back. Screw Microsoft! Apple all the way. Well that is if you would rather spend your time getting your work done rather then having to deal with the numerous virus’ that you get from Microsoft products.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 7:47:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think windows is done. I think MS is paying the price for Windows 8 and the Surface. They wasted too much money on both.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 7:48:34 AM PDT by tje
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 is a amazing mistake. IE 10 is crap.


13 posted on 07/19/2013 7:49:03 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: molson209

I’m in the industry and have two laptops that are 7+ years old. Both running Windows 7. I want to upgrade, but probably won’t until something fries. It’s not really Microsoft’s fault that PC’s reached a good enough to do most anything except play the latest game plateau 7 or 8 years ago.


14 posted on 07/19/2013 7:51:29 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve started limiting who I do business with based on their willingness to infringe on my Rights. I’ve found many alternatives out there to the big names that work quite well.


15 posted on 07/19/2013 7:53:25 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coming to a conclusion about a stock price is about as dumb as anyone can get, and biased, too. If that were the case then we could jump to conclusions about every company with a downward stock price: GE is down, means no one wants to wash clothes anymore and aren’t buying their washers. GM is down, means no one wans to drive cars anymore.


16 posted on 07/19/2013 7:54:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind

The business world runs on PC’s. The business world is on hold due to Obamascare. No business is upgrading or adding new people due to lack of growth.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:02 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: circlecity

Windows 8 sucks! Everyone under the sun has been screaming that it sucks, and Microsoft hasn’t cared.


18 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:17 AM PDT by MNDude (The system worked!)
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To: SeekAndFind

One point that tends to get ignored - hot money and stock options. If there is real money to be made in stock options - smart people will flock there to work - really smart people - and that eventually will filter into the product quality and innovation.

If it becomes clear that there is no real money to be made there then the smart people will go work where there is money to be made.

Thus creates a natural cycle of rise and fall of company dominance in the tech field. Follow the hot money. Right now it’s not at MS and likely never will be. But it was at one time.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:25 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SeekAndFind

I keep reading articles about the ‘collapse of the PC’ and now they are declaring the same for Microsoft? The mobile market has clearly encroached upon the PC but as someone whose job is intrinsically tied to a ‘machine’ there are things that are non-negotiable where hardware and OS are concerned - display size, interface, power. Too small and they’re a problem. As I see it the PC market is rapidly evolving but there are some fundamental features that remain the same. My money is on Microsoft and the PC-hardware players adapting... but is it really too late - is their demise eminent? Ask Apple.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:26 AM PDT by Frapster (Clear the mechanism)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

XP and Windows 7 are still “good enough”.


21 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tje

Coworker of mine bought a Surface. Really nice tablet, but just doesn’t have the app availability of the iPad. If I had money to burn, I’d own one.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:46 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, when they put out a crap product like WIndows 8, there will be a reckoning...

Didn’t know about the NSA thing. That pisses me off. However, I agree with above poster that Windows won’t be going away any time soon.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 7:55:48 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: cuban leaf
Give MSFT 3 days or so then buy '15 calls.

Easy win.

24 posted on 07/19/2013 7:57:37 AM PDT by what's up
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To: isthisnickcool

Unfortunately I had to go back to (and switch all my family’s computers back to) IE10

The New Version Of Firefox 22 can’t size webpages correctly (the way too big) and Opera for some God only knows reason removed the drop down button from the address bar so common recent websites have to be typed in.

The fixes in Config don’t work and are too complicated for my family to be playing around with

I won’t use anything by Google

So I am stuck with IE10


25 posted on 07/19/2013 7:57:41 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: napscoordinator
I am so glad! I used Microsoft products for years and always was frustrated with all the virus’ and other maladies.

I find it odd that you used an apostrophe to indicate pluralization most people would use -es... though the correct plural of virus is virii.

I purchased an Apple MacBook in 2008 and never looked back. Screw Microsoft! Apple all the way.

Um, Apple is involved in the NSA spying too. Just as Google is.

Well that is if you would rather spend your time getting your work done rather then having to deal with the numerous virus’ that you get from Microsoft products.

Actually I've only had a few virus infections (maybe 3 in the past decade; all exactly due to my actions), seriously not enough time wasted to say that it impairs the ability to work. The fragility of Unix/Linux (esp file permission/ownership) is far more of a work-stopping irritant.

26 posted on 07/19/2013 7:58:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Aside from my personal feelings about Microsoft the evil borg...

* Their shares yield 2.8% at the current price
* Their payout ratio is in the 35% area
* They have bucketfuls of cash
* They made bucketfuls of money last quarter (just not as much as the analysts expected)
* They have some “issues” to work out, but it’s far from clear they don’t have the corporate resources to work ‘em out
* Their return on equity, return on assets, and return on investment are all three in the stratosphere... a sign of a company that knows what to do with its resources

I think I’m gonna pick up a hundred or so at this price. It’s been a long time since I have traded MSFT.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 8:02:43 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: cuban leaf

lol I know right! We just finished our yearly MS licensing true-up and I wonder how their stock could dropped after that lol. We pay that company seven figures a year...


28 posted on 07/19/2013 8:02:45 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: BCR #226

But they are not furious at google or FB or others?


29 posted on 07/19/2013 8:05:10 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Thorliveshere

>> Well, when they put out a crap product like WIndows 8, there will be a reckoning...

Yeah, and it’s called “Windows 8.5”. :-)


30 posted on 07/19/2013 8:06:55 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: isthisnickcool

I like mine. Still getting used to changes but so far I like it...and I don’t do “change” well.


31 posted on 07/19/2013 8:07:30 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: molson209

I think that’s exactly it. Not to mention that Win 7 is really a very good operating system - why upgrade anything?


32 posted on 07/19/2013 8:08:45 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: isthisnickcool

Unfortunately, I will have to upgrade my desktop as they are stopping all XP support as of April 2014.


33 posted on 07/19/2013 8:09:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Meh. Analysts are manipulators and the stock market is prone to overreaction when their own ridiculous estimates (based on listening to analysts) don’t pan out.

Microsoft isn’t going anywhere any time soon - certainly not in the enterprise. They may not hold as dominant of a position in the consumer market as they used to, and that will affect the bottom line, but it’s nonsense to say that Microsoft is “collapsing”.


34 posted on 07/19/2013 8:13:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Actually I’ve only had a few virus infections (maybe 3 in the past decade; all exactly due to my actions), seriously not enough time wasted to say that it impairs the ability to work.”

Yep. I do IT support for a pretty much windows-only environment, and let me tell you, the same users get the viruses over and over, while everyone else rarely if ever gets infected. So, maybe for one of those users who just can’t resist clicking every link, opening every questionable email, and installing worthless “free” software, Mac is a good option. Call it “idiot proof”.


35 posted on 07/19/2013 8:29:50 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: qam1

There’s another option: just rollback to IE9. Works for me and my business. In fact, we can’t use IE10, because our main web interface for our ASP-hosted application doesn’t work on IE10.


36 posted on 07/19/2013 8:32:18 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cuban leaf
All of them use Windows 7 and IE 9.

That statement may be why Microsoft stock if off 10%. Like Vista, Windows 8 is another unpopular version of Windows. Instead of focusing on what PC users want, Microsoft was distracted by what tablet users want, and tried to appease them with an operating system that seemed, to its product managers at least, to combine the features of a typical tablet OS and user interface with a desktop or notebook OS.

The fact new PCs with downgrade rights to Windows 7 are widely available in the market speaks volumes about how much users want Windows 8. As does your comment, and the choices of thousands of IT professionals.

The PC market would be much stronger if Microsoft was as innovative in PC oriented OS features as the vendors of tablet OS software are. Simply adopting tablet OS features, gluing them on top of a desktop OS, and calling in Windows 8 isn't enough.

37 posted on 07/19/2013 8:34:19 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Boogieman
Yep. I do IT support for a pretty much windows-only environment, and let me tell you, the same users get the viruses over and over, while everyone else rarely if ever gets infected. So, maybe for one of those users who just can’t resist clicking every link, opening every questionable email, and installing worthless “free” software, Mac is a good option. Call it “idiot proof”.

Running around clicking everything that says Run Me is indeed a stupid modus operandi — in my cases it was usually trying to get cracks to now-defunct software whose documentation/SNs disappeared.

38 posted on 07/19/2013 8:35:16 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: napscoordinator

The market is reaching saturation with satisfied customers. There are a LOT of good, used computers on the market, and Windows 7 made many of us happy with what we’ve got. This translates to what has happened in the marketplace: fewer new computer sales.

I have a MacbookPro for my travels, and I have a dual monitor screaming PC for my desktop. I like the security of the Mac, and the open, wild multi-programs on my PC. I’m living the best of both worlds.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 8:38:06 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: gortklattu

Apple is reaching the same point, iPads, iPhones and MacBooks from 3 or 4 years ago are still ‘good enough.’


40 posted on 07/19/2013 8:40:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: freeandfreezing

When I was at WAMU, we went from Windows 95 to Windows 2000. When I was at T-Mobile, we migrated straight from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. And Where I am now we went from XP to 7.

IT tends to know when it is worth migrating.

Windows 98, ME and Vista got the cold shoulder. In fact, it really does seem to be an “every other release” sort of thing.

I have a win2k, an xp and a 7 desktop at home. They all still go great regarding what I use them for. The win2k machine is used only for winamp and sonar version 1.3 in a recording studio. No internet.


41 posted on 07/19/2013 8:40:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: molson209

computers these days are so good ,you can go 5 + years without an upgrade


Yep. It’s what I’ve been doing since the turn of the century. My Win2k machine is the same one my kids were using with Napster in 1999, but it got a memory upgrade. Still using it for music stuff.


42 posted on 07/19/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: circlecity

The next machine I get will probably have win9 on it. And it will be a fairly “old” OS by then.


43 posted on 07/19/2013 8:42:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: isthisnickcool

this is a result of the windows RT mentality.

it was a pathetic idea only suckers would like.

MS has lost contact with their customers, the HUMAN customers.


44 posted on 07/19/2013 8:44:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: freeandfreezing
The PC market would be much stronger if Microsoft was as innovative in PC oriented OS features as the vendors of tablet OS software are. Simply adopting tablet OS features, gluing them on top of a desktop OS, and calling in Windows 8 isn't enough.

IMO the biggest fault is that MS is concentrating on the UI rather than on correctness. Heck, I bet if they focused on correctness for their next OS, perhaps a redesign w/ complete validation (meaning provably exception-free, containing no data flow errors, and terminating only in the ways that its programmers explicitly say; example for DNS: Ironsides) that the industry would snap it up.

Of course in order to do something like that MS would have to either (a) use an unpopular language like Ada [which has some really nice features in the 2012 revision], or (b) spend a LOT of time and energy compensating for using languages that were designed with little thought of correctness. In either case though there's a lot of effort required to prove things.

45 posted on 07/19/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cuban leaf
Windows 98, ME and Vista got the cold shoulder.

Windows 98SE was actually pretty good, IMO.

46 posted on 07/19/2013 8:45:45 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has not collapsed. The problem is top managers not being able to understand that business is cyclic. Up, then down, then up, then down. Not preparing for the down cycles is what destroys them.


47 posted on 07/19/2013 8:51:22 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Windows 98SE was actually pretty good, IMO.


I’ve heard that from others too. I gotta say that the move from 95 to the NT based 2000 was HUGE for me. There was a piece of software I had on my 95 machine that could tell me how much of the various types of memory I had left and it exposed HUGE memory leaks. I had to reboot my machine every day just to free up all the unused memory to keep it running. But that is what most people did back then so most people didn’t see the problem I was seeing. By the end of two days of use without a reboot it was ridiculously slow.


48 posted on 07/19/2013 9:00:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: napscoordinator

You are obviously a web surfer and social partaker and do not make a living writing software or use intensive business software.


49 posted on 07/19/2013 9:04:23 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: BCR #226

Pray tell what computer system other than Windows do you use that is able to run over 80% of the business software in the market?


50 posted on 07/19/2013 9:05:24 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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