Skip to comments.XP operating system serious question.
Posted on 07/19/2013 9:18:15 AM PDT by SilverMine
I am concerned with NSA spying. I am wondering if I restore XP to it's original with no updates of any kind, am I safer than with the updates? For that computer, using TOR, will I have safe emails using nothing but Hushmail never going to any kind of browser other than TOR and no email other than hushmail?
Microsoft is STILL making security upgrades to XP, so I can’t see how going to the original install would help. You might try Linux.
Fat chance of that.
If they want it they will get it. There is no such thing as a secure data transfer if the perpetrators have the desire and resources to hack.
If you “fall-back” to MS XP the SOME of your applications/prgrams MAY not work. Quite a bit of today’s software is written for MS Vista/7/8.
Because you asked this question on a public forum, you will now be assigned an extra level of scrutiny. Not only will all you email be specifically read by a Federal Agent, but your snail mail as well.
The only way to have security is to remove your system from the internet.
I am a 20+ computer professional.
Use Linux. Encrypt your email with a STRONG 256 bit password. (AES type).
Also, don’t expect not to be on a list because you are sending email encrypted. You will be watched/in a database.
I have been telling people for 10+ years that internet/email privacy is an illusion, it does not exist.
How is your connect actually done?
There are ways that are safe. But most are not.
But then, there are ways that nothing - and I mean nothing - will get through :).
I don’t think you get al this. The NSA has taps on ALL communications. Securing your computer means nothing.
Any version of windows has an NSA back door. Use Linux.
Don’t bother. It will just be a fantasy. Say everything as if the world can hear you.
I’ve seen more people get in trouble for trying to hide stuff. You encrypt it and then lose the password.
what do you have to hide, citizen?
There is no privacy. Your only hope is to be a ‘gray man’. That is, to not engage in activity that makes you stand out from the crowd. That you are posting here means that it is already too late for you to take that approach.
That is the best advice
Never do anything on your computer that you would not do in a public, because basically it is all public
>> I am wondering if I restore XP to it’s original with no updates of any kind, am I safer than with the updates?
Yeah, sure, go for it, ‘cause one of two things will happen.
1) You’ll never get on the internet, in which case the NSA has no power over you; or
2) Within about ten minutes of being on the internet, you’ll download an extortionware exploit that will encrypt all your files and lock your computer. Again, you can’t do anything on the internet so there’s nothing for NSA to spy on.
Not a joke. The intelligence agencies read these threads all day. You are telling them your operating system and how you want to encrypt your messages?
Others,clearly,disagree.Not about my life,mind you,but about the subject of spying.
>> Your only hope is to be a gray man.
Is “gray man hope” related to “white privilege”?
I would try Debian, mint, or Ubuntu.
if you like the old school look of xp than go with Debian and choose xfce as your window manager.
Agree with the linux from USB or CD option previously mentioned. An unpatched version of XP has very significant security issues anyone, including the NSA, can leverage.
BTW, there is no “safely” if its on a computer connected to the internet.
They can learn your OS from your browser. Your PC tells every website you talk with.
Unless you absolutely need the MS Office suite, you should consider a Linux distro like unbuntu 12.10. As other Freepers have suggested, it installs from a USB drive with at least 2GB of storage - more is better. I am using this distro to write this and your PC will have much higher performance.
Keep it updated and use this:
While the entire MS Office suite is not a deal breaker for me part of it is. Almost everything can be done and sometimes done better in OpenOffice. Its the Almost that keeps me in Windoz land.
I use Access with a ton of various VB applications which need a reasonable size database with only a single connection and OpenOffice Base will not play nice with VB. A complete rewriting of my VB stuff and Access to OO Base ranks right up there with a root canal without anesthetic.
One bit of information - Tor was designed by the U.S. Navy IIRC. Don't expect anything at all to be secure these days.
I’d recommend DOS and mailing 5.25 inch floppies, but they’re checking the mail now, I’d recommend hand delivering them.
LOL! As if they maintain anything that can read 5.25 in floppies anymore!
I've kept several 5.25" floppy drives from computers I sent to be recycled. I even have a couple double density drive that can only read 320K and 360K floppies. When I was archiving the contents of my floppy disks, I occasionally came across double density disks that could not be read in a high density PC-AT style floppy drive. The only way those disks could be read was to read them in a double density drive. What could really throw them for a loop would be to use 320K (8 sector disks). All versions of Microsoft Windows since Windows 2000 are unable to read them.
Install Linux. All OS’s are keyed for NSA access, except the one they can’t control.
As far as secure browsing, get an anonymous swiss vpn account and use TOR for web browsing. It’s 9 bucks a month. Pay with a pre-paid CC from any store less monitored.
What protects you isn’t the location itself, but the multiple encrypted layers you are running through. The NSA tapped the trans-oceanic fiber lines as well.
And lastly, don’t log into backdoored servers. Microsoft, Skype, Yahoo, Google, and Apple are US based and their servers are directly accessed as well as passively monitored. Which means your encryption won’t do squat if you are connecting to a compromised server.
So that’s it.
Thanks that is pretty near what our IT guys are saying.
Even using Hushmail and Tor?
one way to find out some things.
I have a BS and an MS in CS and worked in Gov Systems, and IT for 25+ years.
As I said, there is no electronic privacy
between what has been said here and what our IT and security folks have told me, I have come to agree with you.
We have come up with a solution though, something simple out of the 1800's it is called the book code. Doesn't matter if NSA or anyone else intercepts it, they can't decipher it.
While we are not talking anything other than corporate business, that business info would be worth money to our competitors, customers, dealers, etc. I have little doubt that there are geeks in NSA smart enough to realize the profit potential they have in their ease dropped corporate information.
you dont have to worry about the spy guys and commercial interests.
Only political stuff. That’s what changed since obama. Now they are making political points with evesdropping.
I wish you were right, but you're not.
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