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XP operating system serious question.
19 July 2013 | self

Posted on 07/19/2013 9:18:15 AM PDT by SilverMine

I am concerned with NSA spying. I am wondering if I restore XP to it's original with no updates of any kind, am I safer than with the updates? For that computer, using TOR, will I have safe emails using nothing but Hushmail never going to any kind of browser other than TOR and no email other than hushmail?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: silvermine; xp
I need to safely communicate with a few dozen other computers in various parts of the country.
1 posted on 07/19/2013 9:18:15 AM PDT by SilverMine
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To: SilverMine
Use a live version of Linux you can boot from a CD or USB drive.
2 posted on 07/19/2013 9:19:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: SilverMine

Microsoft is STILL making security upgrades to XP, so I can’t see how going to the original install would help. You might try Linux.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 9:20:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SilverMine

Fat chance of that.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 9:20:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SilverMine

If they want it they will get it. There is no such thing as a secure data transfer if the perpetrators have the desire and resources to hack.


5 posted on 07/19/2013 9:21:20 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SilverMine

If you “fall-back” to MS XP the SOME of your applications/prgrams MAY not work. Quite a bit of today’s software is written for MS Vista/7/8.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 9:21:57 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SilverMine

Because you asked this question on a public forum, you will now be assigned an extra level of scrutiny. Not only will all you email be specifically read by a Federal Agent, but your snail mail as well.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SilverMine

The only way to have security is to remove your system from the internet.


8 posted on 07/19/2013 9:23:36 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SilverMine

I am a 20+ computer professional.

Use Linux. Encrypt your email with a STRONG 256 bit password. (AES type).

Also, don’t expect not to be on a list because you are sending email encrypted. You will be watched/in a database.

I have been telling people for 10+ years that internet/email privacy is an illusion, it does not exist.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 9:23:38 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: SilverMine

Stovepipe.

How is your connect actually done?

There are ways that are safe. But most are not.

But then, there are ways that nothing - and I mean nothing - will get through :).


10 posted on 07/19/2013 9:23:48 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: SilverMine

I don’t think you get al this. The NSA has taps on ALL communications. Securing your computer means nothing.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 9:24:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SilverMine

Any version of windows has an NSA back door. Use Linux.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 9:24:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SilverMine
http://www.linuxmint.com/
13 posted on 07/19/2013 9:25:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: SilverMine

Don’t bother. It will just be a fantasy. Say everything as if the world can hear you.
I’ve seen more people get in trouble for trying to hide stuff. You encrypt it and then lose the password.


14 posted on 07/19/2013 9:25:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SilverMine

what do you have to hide, citizen?


15 posted on 07/19/2013 9:31:01 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SilverMine

There is no privacy. Your only hope is to be a ‘gray man’. That is, to not engage in activity that makes you stand out from the crowd. That you are posting here means that it is already too late for you to take that approach.


16 posted on 07/19/2013 9:31:42 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: AppyPappy

That is the best advice

Never do anything on your computer that you would not do in a public, because basically it is all public


17 posted on 07/19/2013 9:33:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SilverMine

>> I am wondering if I restore XP to it’s original with no updates of any kind, am I safer than with the updates?

Yeah, sure, go for it, ‘cause one of two things will happen.

1) You’ll never get on the internet, in which case the NSA has no power over you; or

2) Within about ten minutes of being on the internet, you’ll download an extortionware exploit that will encrypt all your files and lock your computer. Again, you can’t do anything on the internet so there’s nothing for NSA to spy on.

Enjoy!


18 posted on 07/19/2013 9:34:05 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: SilverMine

Not a joke. The intelligence agencies read these threads all day. You are telling them your operating system and how you want to encrypt your messages?

Why bother?


19 posted on 07/19/2013 9:37:17 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: SilverMine
Although it's outrageous that the US Government...specifically America's Community Organizer-In-Chief...is spying on private citizens who've committed no crime,my more down-to-earth attitude is that if Osama Obama knew my most shameful secrets he would understand just how *boring* my life has been.

Others,clearly,disagree.Not about my life,mind you,but about the subject of spying.

20 posted on 07/19/2013 9:37:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

>> Your only hope is to be a ‘gray man’.

Is “gray man hope” related to “white privilege”?


21 posted on 07/19/2013 9:38:38 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would try Debian, mint, or Ubuntu.
if you like the old school look of xp than go with Debian and choose xfce as your window manager.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 9:49:22 AM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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To: SilverMine

Agree with the linux from USB or CD option previously mentioned. An unpatched version of XP has very significant security issues anyone, including the NSA, can leverage.

BTW, there is no “safely” if its on a computer connected to the internet.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 9:58:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum

They can learn your OS from your browser. Your PC tells every website you talk with.


24 posted on 07/19/2013 9:59:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SilverMine

Unless you absolutely need the MS Office suite, you should consider a Linux distro like unbuntu 12.10. As other Freepers have suggested, it installs from a USB drive with at least 2GB of storage - more is better. I am using this distro to write this and your PC will have much higher performance.


25 posted on 07/19/2013 10:10:38 AM PDT by CreviceTool ("They old...they old school...we new school...")
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To: SilverMine

Keep it updated and use this:

http://steghide.sourceforge.net/


26 posted on 07/19/2013 10:46:09 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (- : Tagline for rent ; -)
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To: CreviceTool

While the entire MS Office suite is not a deal breaker for me part of it is. Almost everything can be done and sometimes done better in OpenOffice. Its the Almost that keeps me in Windoz land.

I use Access with a ton of various VB applications which need a reasonable size database with only a single connection and OpenOffice Base will not play nice with VB. A complete rewriting of my VB stuff and Access to OO Base ranks right up there with a root canal without anesthetic.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 10:54:00 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: SilverMine
I would not recommend unpatched versions of XP (or anything else, including Mac or Linux). Those patches do keep the script kiddies out. NSA doesn't need into your OS in order to gather information - they have taps on the pipes.

One bit of information - Tor was designed by the U.S. Navy IIRC. Don't expect anything at all to be secure these days.

28 posted on 07/19/2013 10:59:31 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SilverMine

I’d recommend DOS and mailing 5.25 inch floppies, but they’re checking the mail now, I’d recommend hand delivering them.


29 posted on 07/19/2013 11:02:17 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

LOL! As if they maintain anything that can read 5.25 in floppies anymore!


30 posted on 07/19/2013 11:45:48 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo
LOL! As if they maintain anything that can read 5.25 in floppies anymore!

I've kept several 5.25" floppy drives from computers I sent to be recycled. I even have a couple double density drive that can only read 320K and 360K floppies. When I was archiving the contents of my floppy disks, I occasionally came across double density disks that could not be read in a high density PC-AT style floppy drive. The only way those disks could be read was to read them in a double density drive. What could really throw them for a loop would be to use 320K (8 sector disks). All versions of Microsoft Windows since Windows 2000 are unable to read them.

31 posted on 07/19/2013 2:32:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: SilverMine

Install Linux. All OS’s are keyed for NSA access, except the one they can’t control.

As far as secure browsing, get an anonymous swiss vpn account and use TOR for web browsing. It’s 9 bucks a month. Pay with a pre-paid CC from any store less monitored.

What protects you isn’t the location itself, but the multiple encrypted layers you are running through. The NSA tapped the trans-oceanic fiber lines as well.

And lastly, don’t log into backdoored servers. Microsoft, Skype, Yahoo, Google, and Apple are US based and their servers are directly accessed as well as passively monitored. Which means your encryption won’t do squat if you are connecting to a compromised server.

So that’s it.


32 posted on 07/19/2013 2:38:27 PM PDT by JFoobar
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To: JFoobar

Thanks that is pretty near what our IT guys are saying.


33 posted on 07/19/2013 5:05:25 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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To: BereanBrain

Even using Hushmail and Tor?


34 posted on 07/19/2013 5:07:09 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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To: Nachum

one way to find out some things.


35 posted on 07/19/2013 5:09:14 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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To: SilverMine

I have a BS and an MS in CS and worked in Gov Systems, and IT for 25+ years.

As I said, there is no electronic privacy


36 posted on 07/19/2013 6:45:20 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
I have a BS and an MS in CS and worked in Gov Systems, and IT for 25+ years. As I said, there is no electronic privacy

between what has been said here and what our IT and security folks have told me, I have come to agree with you.

We have come up with a solution though, something simple out of the 1800's it is called the book code. Doesn't matter if NSA or anyone else intercepts it, they can't decipher it.

While we are not talking anything other than corporate business, that business info would be worth money to our competitors, customers, dealers, etc. I have little doubt that there are geeks in NSA smart enough to realize the profit potential they have in their ease dropped corporate information.

37 posted on 07/20/2013 2:16:45 PM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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To: SilverMine

you dont have to worry about the spy guys and commercial interests.

Only political stuff. That’s what changed since obama. Now they are making political points with evesdropping.


38 posted on 07/21/2013 8:52:22 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
you dont have to worry about the spy guys and commercial interests. Only political stuff. That’s what changed since obama. Now they are making political points with eavesdropping.

I wish you were right, but you're not.

39 posted on 07/22/2013 4:05:04 AM PDT by SilverMine (silver@mainetv.net)
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