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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 29 JULY 19, 2013
Free Republic | 7/19/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 07/19/2013 12:45:12 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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We are still having pretty decent weather. A little hotter and drier than last week, but still nice. I gave everything a good drink of water and 15 30 15 Miracle gro type water soluble plant food yesterday.

I have a little sugar baby watermelon about the size of a big black olive on the vine that is growing up the cattle panel type netting. My cukes are growing up the lines and flowering well should be getting some little cukes starting.

Corn is starting to silk. Last year's indoor peppers that I transplanted a few weeks ago are full of tiny pea sized peppers. Tomatoes are flowering. Hubby has green tomatoes still, but finally got 1 nice red one about 2 inches in diameter.

I can't believe it, but I still have little gem romaine and black simpson leaf lettuce doing well. Sunflowers, I am thinking that I could have climbing cut worms. One of the survivors that put on new leaves has had some damage, and another stem that is cut in half.

I wasn't aware that there was a cut worm that operated higher up on the plant. I think I need to investigate late at night when it's dark to see.

I put up a lot of pickles and green beans this week. I now have almost 2 cases of green beans, and 3 cases of pickled cukes, zukes, and summer squash. All of these are 100% pesticide free-such a good feeling to eat your own home grown healthy food.

Hope you are all doing well. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.

1 posted on 07/19/2013 12:45:13 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Deer love my sunflowers. Any largish footieprints nearby?


2 posted on 07/19/2013 12:46:24 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 12:47:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Texas is getting RAIN in the middle of July!!!! I'm not sure if this will totally change the dynamics of summer/fall gardening in the state, but being such an unusual event (over 3-5 inches in many locations) this is likely to be a real game changer. I got over 3" in N. Central DFW area. Soil moisture is normally pretty depleted by now, and city water is a poor substitute.

Any ideas from other Texas garden FReepers?

4 posted on 07/19/2013 12:50:02 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: greeneyes

My first Cherokee Purple is blushing! I have fresh mozzarella waiting for it. I’m about to start the Great Garlic Harvest of 2013, which will be around 175 bulbs. I’m quite relieved because a few months ago I thought I might have the Great Amish Roofing Fiasco instead of a garlic harvest. The hot peppers are producing like gangbusters too. I’ll be canning next week. Now I just need to decide if it’s worth a potential run in with the health inspector to sell my goods at the local farmer’s market. The State of Ohio has decided for its citizens that certain canned goods are illegal to sell.


5 posted on 07/19/2013 12:53:33 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: fwdude
Don't know, but my garden and the weeds are loving it.

We had so much rain on this of DFW that one of the cantaloupe split. We ate it anyway.

I've got my fall tomato seedlings outside in Solo(tm) cups, and they are doing fantastic with the weather.

I've had at least 5" of rain here this week.

/johnny

6 posted on 07/19/2013 12:55:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: goodwithagun

Don’t sell. Keep it for your friends and family and Christmas gifts.

We’ve ordered some southern adapted garlics from gourmetgarlicgardens.com Hopefully they’ll be as tasty as they were last time.

Something ate my cherokee purple tomato plant about the time it got ready to bloom. Augh.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 12:55:27 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes
Everything we have is behind, which is our fault. One amazing thing: I had 6 or 7 packets of basil seeds, all at least 5 or 6 years old, with some older. I threw them all into a container in May and hoped for the best. We now have a beautiful container full of green and purple basil!

Something is biting off the flowers of our squash plants and just leaving them there. These squash are in containers hooked on the railing of a deck that is 8 feet off the ground, which puts them at about 12 feet or so, I think? It's bizarre.

8 posted on 07/19/2013 12:55:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

My Bee Hive is doing quite well this week for having been tipped over last week!


9 posted on 07/19/2013 12:56:27 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: greeneyes

I harvested a dozen red paprika peppers, cut them into slices and dried them in a convection oven. Drying was on a pizza pan, half hour at a time for three hours. The pepper slices were just crispy.
Outside on my porch, I ground the slices and seeds into dust with an electric coffee grinder.
Product so far should last a couple years and I have more peppers to pick...


10 posted on 07/19/2013 12:56:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: goodwithagun
Black market. It's what made America great. ;)

Psst.... buddy, wanna buy some canned jalpenos?

/johnny

11 posted on 07/19/2013 12:57:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: trisham

Don’t feel bad, most of our garden is behind too. First my dad was sick, in the hospital and then a persistent problem that was difficult to diagnose. Then my kids got sick. Then I got sick. Then I hurt my foot.

Those are my excuses and I’m sticking with them.

Strangely enough I had really good luck with basil too. Older basil seed. Although NOT that old. You must’ve gotten really fresh seed and stored it just right. I’ve got to plant out my basil and fall tomatoes tomorrow.

No clue about your squash flowers. Mine are usually deer bait. 12ft doesn’t seem like it would be deer.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 1:01:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

After a cool spring, things have taken off nicely here on the southern reaches of Puget Sound. Our first try with corn (bodacious) looks great with 6 foot plus stalks and showing plenty of silk on the ears. Bush and pole beans, tomatoes, green peppers, cucumbers, carrots and everbearing strawberries all doing great. Compost, Miracle Gro and fish fertilizer as needed.


13 posted on 07/19/2013 1:02:04 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: fwdude; greeneyes

We got over 4” in the gage, but the storm on Wednesday had the rain flying sideways. Winds must have been over 40 MPH. I had a pan in the yard that has vertical sides and it had over three inches in it, and the gages had 1.5, so I don’t know how much we got.


14 posted on 07/19/2013 1:03:11 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes
Everything is nominal. Onions are being harvested and dried. Sunflowers are gone and bagged. There has been so much rain this week that I haven't done much outside.

I did go with daughter and the grandkids to a movie this morning, and in the process wound up with an oven that I am 'storing' for her, since her apartment doesn't have room for it. She's also been buying food like she still lives in a big house with 2 fridges and a big freezer. She's slowly adjusting her shopping to living in an apartment, but I wind up with the overflow food.

/johnny

15 posted on 07/19/2013 1:04:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes
Wow. I'm sorry. I hope everyone has recovered!

I have some other old seeds I may throw around in the next week or so. All I did was simply throw the basil seeds on top of the old dirt in a container and water once in a while. Go figure.

This deck is surrounded by a six foot chain link fence, and we have large dogs, so it's not deer. I haven't seen any squirrels in years, so it's not that, either. It could be one of those mysteries that is never solved, I guess. I'm just happy about the basil.

16 posted on 07/19/2013 1:09:53 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Black Agnes

No we don’t really have any detectable prints since the bed is surrounded by grass. I did read though that sunflowers are a favorite of cut worms. The Amaranth and peanuts interspersed show little to no damage on leaves, and none of the stems are cut in two.

I have never ever seen a deer around our area, but I have seen foxes, coons, and skunks as well as rabbits and squirrels.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 1:11:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham
I bought “purple beauty” seeds from a Missouri seed store. They resemble jalapenos but are not nearly as hot. Anyone know a good use ? Salsa ?

Also; my pimentos are big and green. Do they eventually turn red ?

18 posted on 07/19/2013 1:14:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: fwdude; Marcella; JRandomFreeper; All

How about it?? Are the rest of you texans getting any good rain?? I hope so.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 1:14:06 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I hate to hear about the bugs, but happy to hear about your watermelon and 5 cases of pickled veggies.

We had 2+ inches of rain in 2 days and mild temps; it’s only 83 here presently instead of 95-100.

We are still getting tomatos, but they are ripening sooner, golf ball size to tennis ball size, no more large one, but we are happy to have any maters in July. We have 2 hot peppers that are producing well. Melons and cantaloupes are not happy at all Will probably not get anything from them.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 1:18:12 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: greeneyes

I’m actually hoping for more. If this pesky routine high pressure dome will leave us alone, we should with all the ambient moisture around.


21 posted on 07/19/2013 1:19:30 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: goodwithagun

Yes, we are getting blow back from a lot of local health inspectors around here too. Little old ladies in a neighboring county weren’t able to sell their home canned green beans like they used to.

The excuse was that the kitchens weren’t inspected and authorized, and they had no way of knowing what was in the jars-HA-like we know that for sure with commercial canning, or even a taco from taco bell.

Fortunately, in Missouri, if you want to go to someone’s house or farm and purchase whatever they have, you can still do so. That’s why we can still get raw milk when we want it.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 1:19:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

That is kinda strange. Of course squirrels can go anywhere, but I have never had squirrels bother the flowers. Sounds like a good web search project if no one else knows what’s happening.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 1:23:02 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Glad to hear that. We need to maintain the bees.


24 posted on 07/19/2013 1:23:39 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: fwdude

When I lived in TX (’70s-early ‘80s) I never noticed a shortage of rain in the summer. Of course, that was Houston which is almost tropical.


25 posted on 07/19/2013 1:23:44 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: goodwithagun
certain canned goods are illegal to sell.

??? marijuana?

26 posted on 07/19/2013 1:25:25 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s great. We have several spices that we dried, and we also took an overabundance of green onions one year, and made onion powder using the blender. It’s lasted about 2 years so far.LOL


27 posted on 07/19/2013 1:25:51 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I used the garden auger to drill some 3” holes down to about 20” and never hit any moist dirt, just dry sand. We are getting some rain, but not enough. This part of Texas is dry.


28 posted on 07/19/2013 1:27:54 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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To: goodwithagun

My apologies for the snarky remark. I missed the “canned” in your post and couldn’t imagine what goods from your garden would be illegal to sell in Ohio. I should learn to read more carefully and think twice before posting.


29 posted on 07/19/2013 1:28:03 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: dainbramaged

I did not have a single carrot sprout, and only half the beets. This fall I am going to get some burlap bags and try covering them up with soaked bags so they can stay moist longer.

The soil in this particular bed seems to dry out faster than the others.


30 posted on 07/19/2013 1:29:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
What a great idea! This is from Better Homes and Gardens:

squash

I have planted my first garden, the vegetables are looking great. However, when I look closely at the yellow flowers blooming on my squash plants, it looks like something has been eating them (not the leaves). I don't want to use a pesticide, what do you suggest?

Submitted by BHGPhotoContest

"You're right not to use a pesticide, because that will probably kill the pollinators your need. If only the petals are munched on the edges, there shouldn't be any problem. If the entire flower is missing, it's possible that a squirrel or other small animal is eating them. If the flowers are just shriveled and laying on the ground, they they are falling off naturally, as they usually do.

The male flowers have long skinny stems, and the female flowers have short, fat stems. Male flowers that fall off are just done doing their job. Female flowers that fall off have not been pollinated. If you are having unusually hot weather, that can also cause the plant to drop its flowers. "

***

I'm guessing that it's either the very hot weather we have had or it's that they're male flowers. My husband has been concerned about his problem, so he's going to be very interested in this info.

Thanks!

31 posted on 07/19/2013 1:31:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dainbramaged

We’ve had a very cold and wet spring, and there isn’t a corn field in Wisconsin that’s over 6 ft. high. Most are 2 ft. at the most.


32 posted on 07/19/2013 1:31:36 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JRandomFreeper

What movie did you see, and was it any good?


33 posted on 07/19/2013 1:33:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Arrowhead1952

So glad Texas is getting some overdue rainfall. Do you have some rainbarrels?


34 posted on 07/19/2013 1:35:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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We've got (first up on left) rows of beets with mesclun lettuce in between. Both are wonderful. Next were radishes; they've all been eaten. Then a row of potted herbs and matoes, then a beautiful row of marigolds, but cannot be seen on picture. Then we have peppers, and next two massive Brandywine tomato plants (they're almost 6-foot tall; lots of fruit, but no color yet), then we have squash plants that used to number three, but I pulled one today completely out and searched once again for the vine borer. The stem actually looked great; I found nothing wrong. I'm befuddled what my squash have [again] this year. The bottom-ish leaves yellow at the pace of one or two a day. I've used essential oils, DE, planted borage, radishes, etc. I wonder where the stores get those stacks and stacks of organic butternut squash. :(
35 posted on 07/19/2013 1:35:46 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Even Houston has been drying out in the past few years. Not as bad as the rest of the state, but way below normal.


36 posted on 07/19/2013 1:36:55 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well that’s ok as long as you get to “sample” the goods - I’d call it payment for the rental space.LOL

I am always buying extra, in case the kids and grandkids need something in an emergency, because they can barely cover their needs from month to month.

My youngest daughter who lives closest to me is starting to consider my pantry her grocery store. LOL


37 posted on 07/19/2013 1:38:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

No, but have been looking into them. I need to save every drop of rain I can. Our lake is less than 50% capacity. It is 62 miles long and over 200’ deep at places when full. We will need a major rain event to refill it from its current level.


38 posted on 07/19/2013 1:40:14 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It has been my experience with peppers, that they will eventually become red if left on the vine long enough.

I am not familiar with the purple beauty.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 1:42:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Maybe I am speaking too soon, but we have not had any problems with squirrels or bugs, except squash bugs in our three years gardening here. I have assumed it is because my wife has three bird feeders about 15 ft from the garden and all the birds and squirrels are fat and happy. I suspect the birds eat bugs in the garden in addition to the bird feed. We use landscape fabric in the garden and flower beds, but I don’t think that would keep bugs at bay. I don’t know, maybe it is a blessing from the Lord, but we are grateful.


40 posted on 07/19/2013 1:42:12 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Tagline: It's gone again.)
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Are the rest of you texans getting any good rain?

Heck no. We got some sprinkles, but that's it. Everything seems to avoid the Hill Country.

41 posted on 07/19/2013 1:44:34 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I bought “purple beauty” seeds from a Missouri seed store. They resemble jalapenos but are not nearly as hot. Anyone know a good use ? Salsa ? Also; my pimentos are big and green. Do they eventually turn red ?

I did a little research and it seems that purple beauty peppers are very good in salsa.

They really are beautiful peppers:

I've never grown pimentos, but as they mature they should turn red. They should be sweeter at that point, too.

42 posted on 07/19/2013 1:47:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Lol! I was wondering! Canned vegetable items, even those preserved with acids such as vinegar, are not permitted for sale. I can sell jams, jellies, and homemade and home baked goods (i.e. bread, cupcakes, fudge), but not homemade and canned hot pepper butter (ground hot peppers, sugar, vinegar, water, mustard, flour, salt) and hot pepper relish (ground hot peppers, sugar, vinegar). I can sell salsa ingredients, but if I chop them up and mix them together I’m in violation of the health code. Silly isn’t it? They’re from the government and they’re here to help!


43 posted on 07/19/2013 1:47:59 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: rightly_dividing

My melons are finally taking off. At least half are around 60 DTM, so I am hoping that there is plenty of time for them to mature.

Our local save a lot has had some really great round watermelons available, so we have been buying a couple every week. If I hit a lull in the cukes and beans, I am thinking about making some pickled watermelon rind. The nutritional value of the rind is really good.

All hubby’s melons died - spring was too cold. I planted my seeds indoors and waited till the weather was reliably warm before transplanting - that actually gives me growth that is behind where I would have expected in a normal season, but it is better than if I waited to plant them till the weather got warm enough to plant outdoors.


44 posted on 07/19/2013 1:48:32 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mlizzy

What a lovely garden! I’m sorry about your squash. :(


45 posted on 07/19/2013 1:49:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fwdude

Hope you get what you need to get a good harvest and fill up the reservoirs.


46 posted on 07/19/2013 1:49:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

NO it’s always the food safety excuse around here. Well, I know who I would trust to can food, and who I wouldn’t, and I don’t need some government dude or dudette telling me buyer beware.

I can beware all on my own.


47 posted on 07/19/2013 1:52:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: mlizzy

Butternuts are (mostly) immune to SVB’s. Especially if started early enough to really get a good ‘running start’ prior to the emergence of the SVB’s.

They do take much more room than ordinary yellow squash and zucchinis though. You can trellis them but they lose part of the resistance if you do that because they can’t put down roots at each leaf node along the running vine part.

If you’ve got someplace to let them run (mine run in my yard and I just weedeat ahead of them to give them an easier time of it) and depending on the length of your growing season you might try regular old waltham butternut or seminole pumpkin. My squash and zucchini plants are always SVB magnets. When they get afflicted I pull them up and burn them and replant.

YMMV.

I grow 500-700+lbs of winter squashes every summer. Organically for the last couple years. C. Moschata (the family that butternut is in) is the one that’s ‘resistant’ to SVB’s. If you go to the rareseeds site (baker creek) they will list the variety in the description of the various winter squashes.

If you want a c. moschata type ‘summer/zucchini’ squash try ‘tromboncino’(sp). You can eat those like summer squash or zucchini when they’re young and when allowed to mature they’ll keep long term (several months) just like regular winter squash.

Lovely little garden patch, BTW. Ants took over my geraniums this year and I eventually gave up. There’s something about those particular containers and ants.


48 posted on 07/19/2013 1:53:53 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: rightly_dividing

Oh gee whiz that is painful to even think about. That’s almost 2 feet. You might be better off with conainer gardening.


49 posted on 07/19/2013 1:54:59 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I recently read what looks like a good idea in a magazine. Before your strawberries ripen and turn red, paint some strawberry-sized ROCKS “strawberry red”. Birds are supposed to peck on the hard-rock “strawberries” and go away mad and not come back any time soon. Saw this in “Living the Country Life” magazine. Gonna try it. - We put some beer in the red plastic lids that KFC puts out in their chicken meals. Just the right size and height to put around the strawberries. Slugs had a beer party.


50 posted on 07/19/2013 1:55:46 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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