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Archaeologists say they uncovered King David's Palace
Fox News ^ | 18 July 2013

Posted on 07/19/2013 8:48:47 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

Archaeologists in Jerusalem claim to have uncovered two large buildings fit for a king -- Biblical King David, that is.

But not all historians agree; one group even argues that King David was no king at all.

Over the past year, archaeologists have excavated a site that they believe to be the fortified Judean city of Shaarayim, where David smote Goliath as described in the Bible.

"The ruins are the best example to date of the uncovered fortress city of King David," said professors Yossi Garfinkel of Hebrew University and Saar Ganor, who led the excavations. "This is indisputable proof of the existence of a central authority in Judah during the time of King David."

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TOPICS: History; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: david; godsgravesglyphs; israel; khirbetqeiyafa; kingdavid; letshavejerusalem; raiseuptheruins; shaarayim
Always a naysayer who claims that King David didn't really exist.
1 posted on 07/19/2013 8:48:47 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 07/19/2013 8:49:11 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

You beat me to it.


3 posted on 07/19/2013 8:53:02 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Fractal Trader

I always wonder how a place becomes a “ruin”. Over thousands of years everything gets covered with dirt.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 9:10:00 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Fractal Trader
The easiest way to not find something is to look in the wrong place and in the case of biblical archaeological evidence there are two ways to do that i.e. look in the wrong physical place and/or the wrong assumed time period:

http://www.mikamar.biz/book-info/pop3-a.htm

5 posted on 07/19/2013 9:11:51 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Fractal Trader
Let me know when they find


6 posted on 07/19/2013 9:13:15 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Either that or the Romans cover it in dirt, and more dirt piles up over the centuries.


7 posted on 07/19/2013 9:19:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Fractal Trader

Wow, how cool!


8 posted on 07/19/2013 9:22:08 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: null and void

I read that one when it came out, more than 30 years ago. All I remember is that a major plot point involves trying to construct a one-man space capsule that can reach orbit...using what amounts to early 20th Century technology.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 9:30:12 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

I read it as “A Spaceship for the King” I remember reading it and the Kelly Freas cover art, but I’ll be darned if I can remember anything about it.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 9:46:48 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Fractal Trader

Hallelujah.


11 posted on 07/19/2013 9:47:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Fractal Trader

Remember, they used to say Pontius Pilate didn’t really exist... until they were proven categorically WRONG.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 9:55:24 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Fractal Trader
one group even argues that King David was no king at all.

Let me guess, they work for the Aye-raabs. The muzzies would try to to discredit anything that reminds them and others of the strong Jewish history of that area. I think I will disregard anything else that group has to offer.

13 posted on 07/19/2013 9:59:21 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: null and void

It’s set in Pournelle’s CoDominium future history, and the planet in question has reverted to a “steam, steel, and coal” stage. When it’s re-discovered by the CoDominium, it will essentially be a protectorate due to its technological backwardness...but if it can demonstrate the ability to send someone into orbit, it will be allowed self-rule.

So with technology that hasn’t yet managed to re-invent the airplane, they have to make a spaceship.


14 posted on 07/19/2013 10:15:27 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: VerySadAmerican
I always wonder how a place becomes a “ruin”. Over thousands of years everything gets covered with dirt.

In the Middle East especially--with wind and dust--ruins disappear very quickly, literally almost in no time. I had an archeology professor who told us how a dig he worked on, was shut down for the season and when they came back to work on it again 6 months later, it was already half-buried again in dust and dirt. The Middle East is generally a very dry, dusty, windy place....

Wars would happen, palaces burnt or torn down...vacant for a while, covered over in blown in dust & dirt, then someone else comes along, and builds on top of these structures--over and over. One can have 6 or more subsequent layers--and since height is an advantage, new builders never bother to dig out the old underlying structures. This is how the famous "tels" (hills where towns were rebuilt...over and over) in the Middle East are formed.

Jerusalem has literally thousands of years of rebuilding layers over and over each other. Herod the Great's (infamous king of Jesus birth) building projects are still all over--(he was an amazing builder) and 2nd to that, are the Crusader structures from the 1100s. Getting down through all the layers to David's time (3000 years ago) is quite an archeological feat--especially in Jerusalem.

15 posted on 07/19/2013 10:29:08 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Fractal Trader
"Archaeologists say they uncovered King David's Palace"

This CAN'T be good! :O

16 posted on 07/19/2013 10:54:22 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Fractal Trader

History tells us that the “experts” once thought that Nineveh did not exist either.


17 posted on 07/20/2013 12:05:06 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Fractal Trader

Is there a word for the irrational rejection of things because they are mentioned in the Bible?


18 posted on 07/20/2013 1:12:18 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Yep. Same with Troy.


19 posted on 07/20/2013 1:20:22 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: AndyTheBear

Stupid?


20 posted on 07/20/2013 1:20:49 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“I always wonder how a place becomes a “ruin”. Over thousands of years everything gets covered with dirt.”

Faster if the empires that overrun your nation are intent on erasing any memory of your ever having been there.

That is what the Assyrians, Babylonians, Medes, Persians, Greeks and Romans did: they would raze whole cities to the ground and either rebuild on top of them or let nature bury them.

Often we hear the line today, “We should just nuke _________ and build a parking lot over it.” That’s essentially what happened to conquered nations thousands of years ago.


21 posted on 07/20/2013 1:26:03 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
I always wonder how a place becomes a “ruin”.

A quick visit to Detroit will answer many of your questions.

Every great (in terms of material achievement) civilization rises, peaks, becomes indolent and allows corruption to flourish, decays, and falls. To restart the process a thorough scouring and culling is required. This can come through a natural process such as a plague, or something man made like revolution and civil war or conquest and destruction by outsiders. This is why the popular photographic comparisons between Detroit and Hiroshima in 1945 and 2013 is extremely instructive.

Japan and Europe (especially Germany) had their slates cleaned. The latter is in the process of allowing, against the wishes of the vast majority of its native people ... you know, the ones whose ancestors actually built the place ... the gates open to a barbarian race who hate the host civilization and are working feverishly on its downfall even as it feeds and clothes their litters of offspring.

22 posted on 07/20/2013 4:35:23 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SatinDoll

Part of the complication on Troy was the alteration of the coastline due to siltation and changes in sea level. The site as it exists today doesn’t fit Homer at all. But once the Bronze Age coastline was identified, problem solved.


23 posted on 07/20/2013 5:11:29 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Fractal Trader; 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; BradyLS; ...

Thanks Fractal Trader. I'm not impressed with the level of discussion in this thread, but I'm glad you posted this, as I never got around to it, and let's make this the GGG Digest ping of the week.

24 posted on 07/20/2013 5:56:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AndyTheBear
Is there a word for the irrational rejection of things because they are mentioned in the Bible?

BDS - Bible Derangement Syndrome

25 posted on 07/20/2013 5:56:28 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks Fractal Trader. One of *those* topics.


26 posted on 07/20/2013 6:10:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History (sec III)
http://www.varchive.org/ce/theses.htm

The Reconstruction of Ancient History
http://www.varchive.org/dag/reconst.htm

New Evidence for Ages in Chaos
http://www.varchive.org/ce/newev.htm

The Secret of Baalbek
http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/baalbek.htm

The Siloam Aqueduct
http://www.varchive.org/tac/siloam.htm

Tarshish
http://www.varchive.org/nldag/tarshish.htm

The Date of Carthage’s Founding
http://www.varchive.org/nldag/carthage.htm

How I Arrived at My Concepts
http://www.varchive.org/ce/concepts.htm

Jeroboam II and Osorkon II
http://www.varchive.org/tac/jeroboam.htm

The Reign of King Hezekiah
http://www.varchive.org/tac/hezekiah.htm

The Last Kings of Israel
http://www.varchive.org/tac/lastking.htm


27 posted on 07/20/2013 6:16:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Wow! Goosebumps over this one.


28 posted on 07/20/2013 6:25:49 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thank you so much for that explanation. Never thought about it that way.


29 posted on 07/20/2013 6:27:52 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m not impressed with the level of discussion in this thread....

***
Well, I can see why. But it is Saturday....

Thanks for the ping. Fascinating stuff.


30 posted on 07/20/2013 6:30:09 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Fractal Trader

It’s almost time...


31 posted on 07/20/2013 7:12:43 AM PDT by madison10
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To: ColdSteelTalon; sphinx; SatinDoll

We live in a world of lost knowledge. Even in our own time how many great articles are posted on FR and forgotten over time.


32 posted on 07/20/2013 7:37:29 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/Archeologists-uncover-palace-from-Kingdom-of-David-320226

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/3100-year-old-city-could-date-back-to-david-and-solomon/2013/07/18/


33 posted on 07/20/2013 9:20:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Bigg Red

:’)


34 posted on 07/20/2013 10:10:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

thanks afraidfortherepublic for this additional topic:

3,000-year-old palace in Israel linked to biblical King David
NBC News | 7-20-13 | Allen Boyle
Posted on 07/20/2013 10:54:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3045351/posts


35 posted on 07/20/2013 11:18:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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it’s already a big keyword, btw:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/khirbetqeiyafa/index


36 posted on 07/20/2013 11:19:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AndyTheBear; SunkenCiv

“Is there a word for the irrational rejection of things because they are mentioned in the Bible?”

Jewphobia?


37 posted on 07/20/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Moorings

Lots of secular Jews are heavily invested in there having been no real Israel or Judah at all.


38 posted on 07/20/2013 3:52:44 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khách đi La Vang hanh hưng)
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