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Fort built by gold-hunting Spanish conquistadors discovered in N.C.
NBC News ^ | 7-25-2013 | Megan Gannon

Posted on 07/26/2013 2:26:13 PM PDT by Renfield

Before there was Jamestown and even before there was Roanoke, there was Spain's Fort San Juan, in the Appalachian foothills of North Carolina.

Archaeologists have uncovered the remains of the fort built by gold-hunting Spanish conquistadors in the 16th century and say it's the oldest European garrison ever found in the interior of the United States.

The settlement around Fort San Juan was occupied for less than two years and it met a rather bloody end — likely brought on by the Spaniards' botched bartering for food and their sexual transgressions with Native American women. But the short-lived fort's traces serve as a reminder of how different U.S. history might have been if Spain had been more successful in its early colonial campaigns.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; northcarolina

1 posted on 07/26/2013 2:26:13 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 07/26/2013 2:26:32 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

European white guys looking for gold in America.


3 posted on 07/26/2013 2:27:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty. The DemocRATS' payback for the 2010 elections.)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

Not my fault.


4 posted on 07/26/2013 2:28:24 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Conquistador - Procol Harum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F945LQG6fuA


5 posted on 07/26/2013 2:29:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Love that song!


6 posted on 07/26/2013 2:31:00 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty. The DemocRATS' payback for the 2010 elections.)
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To: Renfield

Are they gunna be citizens now, too? Albeit prorated?


7 posted on 07/26/2013 2:32:15 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Renfield
there was Spain's Fort San Juan

Guess that settle's it. The U.S. is the property of Mexico, since they inherited New Spain.

Undoubtedly La Raza and the OStalin regime will trumpet that in the days to come.

When does North Carolina get their very own ranting Mexican Viceroy to lord over them?

8 posted on 07/26/2013 2:38:00 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: FlingWingFlyer
European white guys looking for gold in America.

Nope, they were "white Hispanics".

9 posted on 07/26/2013 2:43:04 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

LOL! I love it. You’re right. They’re only rainbow colored when they are in the country illegally.


10 posted on 07/26/2013 2:46:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty. The DemocRATS' payback for the 2010 elections.)
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To: Renfield

The garrisons (not very large) were normally to protect the Franciscan missions, which extended all the way up from St Augustine, FL through North Carolina.

The Franciscans actually worked hard to keep the Spanish soldiers away from the Indians, but the big problem came when the missionaries prohibited polygamy (women were sort of traded around by the Indians, even though some of the tribes or language groups transmitted power through the female line).

The interesting thing is that the only places where the different Indian groups survived were the Spanish areas. The British either killed them or enlisted them to fight against the Spanish.

The Spanish converted and, very often, married them. When the British destroyed the Florida Franciscan mission chain in the early 18th century, they killed many Indians and friars...and sent 11,000 Indians off as slaves to the British sugar plantations in the Caribbean. That virtually wiped out the Indian population of many parts of the Southeast.


11 posted on 07/26/2013 2:55:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And wookin’ pa nub.


12 posted on 07/26/2013 3:04:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Renfield

They had a rocking good band at the Casbah Club.. sigh.. those were the days.. looking for gold at light and dancing partners at dusk..


13 posted on 07/26/2013 3:21:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: livius

Do you have a book on this topic? I think this would be very interesting reading.


14 posted on 07/26/2013 3:59:13 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: livius

There is some pretty strange history there, you have it sounding like the colonists were blood thirsty genocidal murderers creating the horrors called the Untied States and Canada, and the Spaniards were building sweet little paradises where they went, like with the Aztecs and while creating the nightmares we call Mexico and other Spanish areas.


15 posted on 07/26/2013 4:40:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: Renfield

Illegal aliens of Spanish decent raping North American women with impunity. Some things never change.


16 posted on 07/26/2013 5:17:00 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: dfwgator

That link took me down the lane again...as did “Nights in White Satin” over on the Youtube sidebar.


17 posted on 07/26/2013 5:29:09 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: NormsRevenge
sigh.. those were the days.. looking for gold at light and dancing partners at dusk..

But closing time always comes.....


18 posted on 07/26/2013 5:31:33 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: Renfield

I guess I need to get out more. This is about 20 miles down the road from me and this is the first I’ve heard of the digs.

People still do pan for gold about 30 miles from these ruins.


19 posted on 07/26/2013 6:19:22 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Renfield

Very interesting. I’m guessing they found no gold.


20 posted on 07/26/2013 6:34:19 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

Thanks Renfield.

21 posted on 07/27/2013 8:21:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Renfield

There are early accounts about the settlers at Jamestown looking for this Spanish enclave. I don’t remember, but either they never found it, or they found it abandoned. They did know about it.


22 posted on 07/27/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BwanaNdege

For those of us with gold pans and that live in the area (150 miles)...... Where are you talking about


23 posted on 07/27/2013 9:06:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: OldNewYork

The French founded a colony at Mayport Florida in 1686 or so called Fort Caroline. They also sent parties into the interior looking for gold. They came into East Tennessee.

What they found was copper. The Indians that traded in the region could not really distinguish between copper they had seen and gold that was merely described to them

Lekson’s rule applies....... distance is not a problem


24 posted on 07/27/2013 9:13:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

US 221 between Marion & Rutherfordton.

This is one of the places. There’s also a campground north of there where folks live & pan in the warmer weather.

http://www.huntforgold.com/


25 posted on 07/27/2013 12:36:43 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: bert

Oddly, I searched Lekson’s rule and the fifth entry that came up on google was the message I’m here responding to. Forgive my ignorance, but what’s Lekson’s rule?

Very interesting about the French fort and about the copper and gold.


26 posted on 07/27/2013 4:52:26 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Renfield

So early peaceful “native Americans” murdered all the Spanish.


27 posted on 07/28/2013 4:52:12 AM PDT by stockpirate (American taxpayer's are: The New World Order slaves for the collective.)
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To: OldNewYork
Stephen Lekson is a southwestern archeologist , my favorite, who has studied the Anasazi and other cultures. He has written extensively about Chaco Canyon and the influence on the civilization on the Colorado Plateau/ San Juan Basin

He sets forth three rules.

Everybody knew everything

Distance is not a problem

There is no coincidence


28 posted on 07/28/2013 5:20:50 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert
The North Carolina slate belt has placer gold in minute quantities.

I've been acquainted with David Moore, the archaeologist on this project, for 30 years.

The story I heard from him was that local lore told that a fort used to be in the area but no one knew exactly where. The Berry family bought the land for farming and discovered some European origin artifacts in the fields decades ago. The younger generation of that family are the ones who narrowed down a possible location for the fort and allowed access for the archaeologists to got it to where it is today.

29 posted on 07/28/2013 5:36:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: bert

Thanks. Interesting. So he’s not a diffusionist then?


30 posted on 07/28/2013 3:19:50 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

Well maybe......

I never heard of the term but

Everybody knew everything means there was communication and trade between the southwestern cultures.

Distance was no object means the people on the Colorado plateau knew well the people on the Gila river at Phoenix. Ditto the contemporaries in Cahokia far east and those who dwell in the western coastal region of Mexico.

There is no coincidence means that incidence here and there is because was trade and communication

All the above does not mean there were differences.

Lekson likes to take on such terms as diffusion and shred the theory. The reason I like him is his courage and ability to let the air out of academic baloons


31 posted on 07/28/2013 4:32:33 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

——All the above does not mean there were differences.——

should be
All the above does not mean there were not differences.


32 posted on 07/28/2013 4:35:23 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: ErnBatavia

I’m assuming the writer meant “goggles”.


33 posted on 07/29/2013 12:33:02 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: bert

Interesting. Thanks. I’m looking forward to reading more. I think what he’s saying makes sense. The black drink’s residue was found in cups far from the regions it was native to - Cahokia, Woodhenge, which is far from coastal south Florida.


34 posted on 07/29/2013 3:16:26 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: OldNewYork

Years ago, say 1925 or so, my uncle’s brother was plowing his field on the banks of the Clinch River in Union county Tennessee. I helped him to discover what it was worth and did some reading. It was a Celt, a wonderfully crafted stone ax. I learned that celts were found at other locations on the Clinch.

In May of 2012 we visited Cahokia where there is a great museum. there were several exhibits with celts. One was concerned with two celt factories...... places where tons of celts were discovered. Some were damaged and it was believed they were being sharpened. To my eye, they were identical to the one found on the Clinch River. They seemed to be the same bluegray stone

The conclusion was the folks on the Clinch in East Tennessee had something to trade for celts with the folks at Cahokia.

Lekson’s rules apply


35 posted on 07/29/2013 3:56:37 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

We find chert flint points in front of my parents place. The closest source is 150 miles away.


36 posted on 07/29/2013 4:04:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: bert

Do you know about the Eastern Agricultural Complex? Not just the black drink is part of it, but things like relatives of the quinoa now becoming popular, which is from South America originally. There is a list of cultivated varieties of plants now just growing as weeds, that seem to be from a culture there that only existed in fragments when British colonists were settling in.


37 posted on 07/30/2013 2:39:22 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: livius

What a peculiar history. What is your source, the Catholic Encyclopedia?

And, what about the Franciscans themselves as far as indian women? One of my legendary ancestors is Opechancanough, half brother of Powhatan, he was fathered by a Spanish missionary.


38 posted on 07/30/2013 2:50:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Renfield
My friend sent me these and I'll pass them along

There are many more photos of the fort http://www.flickr.com/photos/87167906@N02/sets/72157634563089753/with/9250381904

39 posted on 07/31/2013 7:57:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Renfield; SunkenCiv

There actually is gold in North Carolina, although the Spanish didn’t discover it. Before the Civil War there was a branch US mint in N.C.


40 posted on 07/31/2013 5:12:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

NC was the largest producer of gold in the country prior to 1849. Largest wine producer prior to the Civil War, too.


41 posted on 07/31/2013 5:13:46 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: colorado tanker

:’)


42 posted on 07/31/2013 6:19:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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